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Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25 and a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is Rhus Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers from for me?!

Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc :-) Dean

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On Jun 11, 12:46*am, Dean25 wrote:
Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25 and
a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is Rhus
Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot
about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million
miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers
from for me?!

Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the
plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear
from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc :-)
Dean

--
Dean25


You do know it is a non-native species that is considered as bad as
knotweed by some?
Best to dig it up and burn it.

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In article ,
harry wrote:
On Jun 11, 12:46=A0am, Dean25 wrote:

Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25 and
a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is Rhus
Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot
about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million
miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers
from for me?!

Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the
plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear
from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc :-)

You do know it is a non-native species that is considered as bad as
knotweed by some?
Best to dig it up and burn it.

Well, there are always a few idiots who claim ridiculous things.

Yes, it suckers profusely and that habit can make it a menace.
However, if it is in a position that the suckers can be kept
under control (e.g. if it is in a lawn, and they are mown off)
and won't damage anything, then that's not a problem. Bay
(Laurus nobilis) suckers, too.

I would be careful about burning it (I don't burn my Cotinus
coggygria prunings), because it is related to Toxicodendron
(poison ivy/oak), and I don't trust the smoke not to be toxic
and damage people's lungs.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree! I already know alot about it and its hardly equal to knotweed. The tree doesnt damage anything, its been ornamentally grown in the uk for over 300 years.
Helpful comments only people!

It is exceedingly common as a garden plant. Surely you will find several within a few mins walk of you, if you live in a residential area. Can't you wander around your locality and ask to take a sucker from someone?

I've even seen it in public plantings, for example outside supermarkets and the like. Could probably steal one from there.

It does come in various varieties. If you want a specific variety for the particular leaf form, etc, you'd be better off buying one from a garden centre, they aren't expensive.

Some do seem to sucker more than others, don't know why.

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On 11/06/2012 13:13, Dean25 wrote:
;961287 Wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:-
On Jun 11, 12:46=A0am, Dean25 wrote:
-
Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25
and
a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is
Rhus
Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot
about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million
miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers
from for me?!

Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the
plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear
from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc
:-)-

You do know it is a non-native species that is considered as bad as
knotweed by some?
Best to dig it up and burn it.-

Well, there are always a few idiots who claim ridiculous things.

Yes, it suckers profusely and that habit can make it a menace.
However, if it is in a position that the suckers can be kept
under control (e.g. if it is in a lawn, and they are mown off)
and won't damage anything, then that's not a problem. Bay
(Laurus nobilis) suckers, too.

I would be careful about burning it (I don't burn my Cotinus
coggygria prunings), because it is related to Toxicodendron
(poison ivy/oak), and I don't trust the smoke not to be toxic
and damage people's lungs.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree! I
already know alot about it and its hardly equal to knotweed. The tree
doesnt damage anything, its been ornamentally grown in the uk for over
300 years.
Helpful comments only people!



Yes, I have it and it suckers well into gravel so pulls easily.
David @ the showery end of Swansea Bay

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In article , Dean25.a4bb8b6
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree!
Helpful comments only people!

You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.

This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
completely independent of gardenbanter.

There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS rhus
typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your post.Gardenbanter
has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and neither do
you.


Janet.

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"David Hill" wrote ...
Dean wrote:
Nick Wrote:
harry wrote:-
Dean wrote:
-
Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25
and
a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is
Rhus
Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot
about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million
miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers
from for me?!

Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the
plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear
from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc
:-)-

You do know it is a non-native species that is considered as bad as
knotweed by some?
Best to dig it up and burn it.-

Well, there are always a few idiots who claim ridiculous things.

Yes, it suckers profusely and that habit can make it a menace.
However, if it is in a position that the suckers can be kept
under control (e.g. if it is in a lawn, and they are mown off)
and won't damage anything, then that's not a problem. Bay
(Laurus nobilis) suckers, too.

I would be careful about burning it (I don't burn my Cotinus
coggygria prunings), because it is related to Toxicodendron
(poison ivy/oak), and I don't trust the smoke not to be toxic
and damage people's lungs.



Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree! I
already know alot about it and its hardly equal to knotweed. The tree
doesnt damage anything, its been ornamentally grown in the uk for over
300 years.
Helpful comments only people!



Yes, I have it and it suckers well into gravel so pulls easily.


We had it but the suckers came up everywhere, mower was always hitting the
roots too, and when the suckers started to come up in next doors garden,
having travelled under our drive, I cut it down and poisoned it.
Personally, whilst I like the look of tree there are others out there that
stay small, are better looking, but don't have quite the same bad habits.
I'm presently growing some Albizia julibrissin from seed.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

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In article , Sacha wrote:

Well, it could be called helpful if people with experience warn you
against any plant! But what you will always get in a newsgroup - and
your post has come to uk.rec.gardening - is opinions from which you can
pick and choose. You appear to have made up your mind about it
already, so I'm not sure why you're asking for anyone's
help/advice/opinion. What does puzzle me is why you want so many of
them that you're growing them from seed *and* want people to propagate
suckers for you. Are you cornering the market in Rhus sales?

Well, there's a sucker born every minute :-)

I grew one because I like them as architectural plants, and got rid
of it because it was either it or the drive ....


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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On Monday, 11 June 2012 13:13:10 UTC+1, Dean25 wrote:
;961287 Wrote:
I would be careful about burning it (I don't burn my Cotinus
coggygria prunings), because it is related to Toxicodendron
(poison ivy/oak), and I don't trust the smoke not to be toxic
and damage people's lungs.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree! I
already know alot about it and its hardly equal to knotweed. The tree
doesnt damage anything, its been ornamentally grown in the uk for over
300 years.
Helpful comments only people!

At risk of another petulant outburst may I suggest an elegant well behaved alternative?
Aralia Elata has much of a similar look about it with none of the drawbacks of R. typhina. It is especially beautiful in age though sadly you aren't going to see a 100yr old specimen in your own garden; I had the care of one such aged specimen in my old work garden next to some Sumachs and the Aralia totally eclipsed them.
Nick knows what he's talking about, R. typhina can provoke an allergic response and some other members of the family are really nasty. I and my daughter had a very dangerous and painful run in with one some years ago.

Rod

yes the Standard Stag horn sumach suckers the most, the other cut leaf versions dont get as large or sucker as much. not many garden centres have it and the garden centre that does are selling them at £15 each. I wanted a few suckers to grow on and I cant afford to buy say £45 worth! I do see lots in nearby gardens but Im not brave enough to ask strangers to dig up suckers for me! would be a bit odd!

Your incredibly rude Janet. I had never used this site before until last night and if I was deluded it certainly didnt warrant your DISGUSTING message.

Gosh I cant believe how cagey people have been about this! I have a big garden and Rhus typhina is my favourite small tree! I wanted to grow some in pots etc. I wasnt asking people for advice! I was asking if anyone who had one who could supply me with a couple of suckers! Id never used this website before and obviously made a mistake! dEAN

Thanks for your message, Im a little confused about your petulant outburst comment! Do you mean me? Im wondering why my messages have come across badly!

Id already stated that I love the tree! Why would i consider someone saying burn it down helpful!!

Thank you for the message David.

Hey Nick I think people thought I was being ungrateful for your advice. I very much appreciated your advice. My "helpful advice only" message was aimed at the person who advised me to burn the tree! It apears I do not understand the Forums purpose!

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In article , Dean25.a4c0d17
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

the Standard Stag horn sumach suckers the most, the other cut leaf
versions dont get as large or sucker as much. not many garden centres
have it and the garden centre that does are selling them at £15 each. I
wanted a few suckers to grow on and I cant afford to buy say £45 worth!

So buy one and grow it on. Learn some patience.

I do see lots in nearby gardens but Im not brave enough to ask strangers
to dig up suckers for me!

I thought you just did.

Janet

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In article , Dean25.a4c6176
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

Janet;961348 Wrote:
In article , Dean25.a4bb8b6
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...
-
Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree!
Helpful comments only people!-

You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.

This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
completely independent of gardenbanter.

There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS
rhus
typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your
post.Gardenbanter
has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and neither
do
you.


Janet.

Your incredibly rude Janet.

But the really annoying thing, is that I'm right.

I had never used this site before until last
night

Does that give you some right to jump in feet first and behave like a
spoiled two year old? Not here it doesn't. This is NOT A "SITE".

Janet

You are deluded janet, My comment : "helpful comments only" was directed at the person who advised me too burn down any sumachs, after I had quoted it was my favourite tree in my opening paragraph. I CREATED this thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people. Thats not being rude, its being honest. If I misunderstood the purpose of this website, I fail to see how that is your concern? You obviously have a serious attitude problem and if you cant say anything nice, might I suggest you say nothing at all???

Possibly because you don't understand gardenbanter? It's not a gardening forum, it's in effect a messaging service which posts your posts to a newsgroup called uk.rec.gardening, and collects and displays posts other people make to the newsgroup.

The newsgroup isn't a question and answer service, it's a group for chat about gardening, so while people will try to answer your question, they will also take the conversation off into quite independent routes. So asking people to stick to your subject comes across as a wee bit rude in that context.

Yes, you do seem to have misunderstood the website.

It is Janet's concern, and that of all users of the newsgroup, because the posters to the newsgroup are what have created it.

You are very welcome to join in the newsgroup, but it's a bit soon to be trying to change it!

Im not trying to change anything Kay, As ive written before, I simply didnt understand the purpose of the site. Ive asked my friends there opinion and they agree there was no reason to be so rude to me. It doesnt go any further than that.

No, I know you weren't trying to change things, but given that it isn't the norm in the newsgroup for a thread to stay on topic, asking people to stay on topic does sound like you're trying to change things, and, from this side of the fence, sounds a wee bit rude.

But now we've sorted out the confusion, there's no problem. Hopefully you'll get the answer you need, just relax about all the other advice that you don't want, and remember too that there's an army of "lurkers" out there who may not know as much about sumach as you, and for whom all the information on suckering etc will be useful.

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On Jun 12, 1:49*pm, Janet wrote:
In article , Dean25.a4c6176
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...





Janet;961348 Wrote:
In article , Dean25.a4bb8b6
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...
-
Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree!
Helpful comments only people!-

You appear to be under the delusion *you have reached the customer
advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.

This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which *is
completely independent of gardenbanter.

There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS
rhus
typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your
post.Gardenbanter
has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and neither
do
you.

Janet.

Your incredibly rude Janet.

* But the really annoying thing, is that I'm right.

I had never used this site before until last
night

* Does that give you some right to jump in feet first and behave like a
spoiled two year old? Not here it doesn't. This is NOT A "SITE".

* Janet

Janet is just explaining how newsgroups work. If you dont like it,
that's unfortunate.


NT

I didnt ask anyone to stay on topic. Im not the sort of person to recieve rude comments on a gardening forum of all places and siliently brood about it. I did nothing wrong and wasnt rude. If people got confused with what I wrote then thats that. As ive said I was confused about the purpose of this website. After comments from my friends/family Ive come to the conclusion the negativity from here is probably an age related issue, as im only 25 and couldnt possibly know anything about horticulture!

We didn't know your age and you don't know the age of anyone on here, so that's not a valid conclusion.

I've tried to explain why, although you had no intention to be rude, your comments did seem presumptuous - and "helpful comments only people" and similar responses sound remarkably like a request to stay on topic!

I quoted my age in my opening paragraph. Thank you for your advice.

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 Dean25 wrote:

You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.

This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
completely independent of gardenbanter.

There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS
rhus
typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your
post.Gardenbanter
has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and neither
do
you.

Your incredibly rude Janet.

Well, that is so. I've been on the receiving end of Janet's tongue more
than once and for no good reason other than she can be extremely
prickly. She does tend to treat us like naughty children when she feels
we've done wrong. I simply ignore it!

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
http://rance.org.uk

Oh, right, so you did! It didn't register with me, so none of my comments were based on your age.

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In article , Dean25.a4d5e96
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

.. I CREATED this
thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.

You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists purely,
for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues.


Janet

haha how funny, thanks David, theres no need to be like that. Its gardening!

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On 12/06/2012 22:46, Janet wrote:
In , Dean25.a4d5e96
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

. I CREATED this
thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.

You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists purely,
for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues.


Janet


This is getting childish.
The thread was created in Garden Banter and followed up here,
There is a hell of a lot of off topic trash being posted under various
headings that has little or nothing to do with gardening etc but we put
up with it.
Give the OP a chance and just let it drop.
David Hill @ the damp end of Swansea who is getting ****ed off with all
the tripe in this news group.

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In article ,
says...

On 12/06/2012 22:46, Janet wrote:
In , Dean25.a4d5e96
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

. I CREATED this
thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.

You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists purely,
for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues.


Janet


This is getting childish.
The thread was created in Garden Banter

... where he ignored GB's sticky and FAQ

and followed up here,
There is a hell of a lot of off topic trash being posted under various
headings that has little or nothing to do with gardening etc but we put
up with it.

You're forever complaining about spam and OT trash most of us never
see; you've been given endless advice how to do the same.

However, when a gardening thread appears, there is every reason for the
gardeners here to join in and discuss the topic of sumach... which they
did in perfectly normal fashion, until the OP rudely rejected their input.

I'm far from the only regular gardening poster who objected to that.


Janet.

You must be so bored.

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On 13/06/2012 00:24, Janet wrote:
In ,
says...

On 12/06/2012 22:46, Janet wrote:
In , Dean25.a4d5e96
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

. I CREATED this
thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.

You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists purely,
for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues.


Janet


This is getting childish.
The thread was created in Garden Banter

.. where he ignored GB's sticky and FAQ

and followed up here,
There is a hell of a lot of off topic trash being posted under various
headings that has little or nothing to do with gardening etc but we put
up with it.

You're forever complaining about spam and OT trash most of us never
see; you've been given endless advice how to do the same.

However, when a gardening thread appears, there is every reason for the
gardeners here to join in and discuss the topic of sumach... which they
did in perfectly normal fashion, until the OP rudely rejected their input.

I'm far from the only regular gardening poster who objected to that.


Janet.


For your information I have been using NEWS Individual net for the last
month, and I seem to be seeing far more childish messages than I ever
did when using Goggle.
Granted Google didn't filter out a lot of spam, but it didn't seem to
show so much absolute crap that some people seem to post.
Sorry but there is no other term for some of the postings.
David@ the damp end of Swansea Bay

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In article ,
Janet wrote:

However, when a gardening thread appears, there is every reason for the
gardeners here to join in and discuss the topic of sumach... which they
did in perfectly normal fashion, until the OP rudely rejected their input.

That is unfair. He produced a response to an extremely unhelpful
semi-troll, but phrased it in such a way that it seemed to apply to
every response. Because he was a GardenBanterer, he did not realise
that replies very often appear in weird orders. Things then developed
into a flame war.

I am not going to take sides, or even echo Mercutio.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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On 12/06/2012 16:58, Dean25 wrote:
Janet;961444 Wrote:
In article , Dean25.a4c6176
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...-

Janet;961348 Wrote: -
In article , Dean25.a4bb8b6
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...
-
Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree!
Helpful comments only people!-

You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.

This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
completely independent of gardenbanter.

There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS
rhus
typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your
post.Gardenbanter
has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and
neither
do
you.


Janet.-

Your incredibly rude Janet.-

But the really annoying thing, is that I'm right.
-
I had never used this site before until last
night-

If she puts you off using Garden banter then so much the better.

Does that give you some right to jump in feet first and behave like a

spoiled two year old? Not here it doesn't. This is NOT A "SITE".

Janet

You are deluded janet, My comment : "helpful comments only" was directed
at the person who advised me too burn down any sumachs, after I had
quoted it was my favourite tree in my opening paragraph. I CREATED this
thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people. Thats not being
rude, its being honest. If I misunderstood the purpose of this website,
I fail to see how that is your concern? You obviously have a serious
attitude problem and if you cant say anything nice, might I suggest you
say nothing at all???

The problem is that the website you are posting though is a parasitic
feed to a much older Usenet news service. Some of the posters here are
decidedly tetchy about people describing it as a "SITE" since it is not
one and never has been. Garden-b*nter and for that matter all the other
parasitic banter sites grab original material from Usenet without
permission and repost it as is if it was their own on a website.

You should pay attention to what Nick said about Sumac being something
of a nuisance. I have grown it constrained without too much problem but
it does sucker heavily and the thick resiny sap can be sensitising to
some people but far less so than the other members of Anacardaceae which
includes the closely related poison oak and ivy and lacquer tree.
Urushiol is not something to take lightly it is in the same sort of
chemical weapon class as mustard gas but naturally made by plants. It is
also the basis of Japanese lacquerware - harmless once polymerised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacardiaceae

Cashew nuts come from the type species and includes a warning about how
to roast the nuts to detoxify them whilst avoiding the smoke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashew

I would not burn sumac either.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

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"Dean25" wrote in message
...
'David Rance[_6_ Wrote:
haha how funny, thanks David, theres no need to be like that. Its
gardening!

Quite. Now if you'd take your own advice and move on.

How about you go out for a stroll on a fine day and talk to a few of
these various neighbours who are actually growing the Sumachs you
desire. Ask over the garden fence, as you just happen to be walking by,
if they'd like to get rid of a few of those suckers which you know can
be a bit of a nuisance to some people. I'm sure someone will be only too
glad to be rid of them. You can offer to do the digging up if they like
and give them a plant swap, or to mow their lawn in return or whatever.
Next thing you know they won't be strangers and you'll have made new
gardening acquaintances. It'd be a more sensible use of your time than
arguing on the Interwebz at any rate.

--
Sue

Im not a gardenbanterer either, I just typed gardening forum on google and joint the first one that came up. Yes I have found this website confusing and to be honest, I Wont be here for long! Thank you to everyone who did give me advice though. Going to ask some of the volunteers I work with if they have Sumachs! Dean