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Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got into this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single thing about it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of impossible financial situations, relatively easily.
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On 07/09/2012 07:53, Guy Fawkes wrote:
Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got into this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single thing about it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of impossible financial situations, relatively easily. It is already grown as a commercial hemp fibre crop both here and to a much greater extent in France. The farm cultivar has been bred to not contain the active ingredient that you seek in any significant quantity. China is the biggest producer with 80% and France second with 15% of the world market. UK is mostly too cool for it to grow well. That is why the enforcement guys use thermal IR cameras to find illegal farms. (although the waste heat is usually a side effect of the growlamps) No particular skill is required apart from obtaining the seed. It is a rather large ugly and conspicuous plant. An elderly neighbour had one growing from spilt birdseed and clearly had no idea what it was. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:40:53 +0100, Sacha wrote:
What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Same can be said about smoking tobacco and, to a lesser extent, drinking alcohol... -- Cheers Dave. |
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Guy Fawkes wrote in
: Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got into this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single thing about it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of impossible financial situations, relatively easily. Steerpike again.... YAWN Do us all a favour and ease your own financial situation and cancel your account with your ISP. No drug crazed louts here please. It would upset the rest of the group if you choked on your own vomit. |
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On 2012-09-07 11:38:19 +0100, Martin said: Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got into this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single thing ab out it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of impossible financial situations, relatively easily. Possibly because it's illegal, it's an ugly plant and because we don't all do drugs? I wouldn't be involved with anything like that for a million pounds. What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Imo. Used long term, in large quantities, it's almost as bad as tobacco. Tobacco doesn't make people psychotic. The evidence that cannabis does is very dubious. Many millions (perhaps billions) of pounds have been put into research aiming to prove that cannabis is harmful, but it took five decades before any could be found that would stand up to even cursory analysis. That wasn't money spent on investigating whether it is harmful and, if so, in which ways and how much, but in scratching around trying to find SOME evidence to hang onto cannabis. One point often missed by non-statisticians is that, if you do a thousand separate investigations into whether X is harmful, you will get (on average) one that says that it is at the 0.1% level of significance (highly significant), even if it is not harmful at all. And, yes, there have been that many. I haven't looked at the actual research papers, but I am pretty sure that the most that has been shown is a small association between long-term, heavy cannabis use and some psychological problems. Plus an association between heavy use in adolescence and some other ones. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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wrote in message ... In article , Sacha wrote: On 2012-09-07 11:38:19 +0100, Martin said: Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got into this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single thing ab out it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of impossible financial situations, relatively easily. Possibly because it's illegal, it's an ugly plant and because we don't all do drugs? I wouldn't be involved with anything like that for a million pounds. What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Imo. Used long term, in large quantities, it's almost as bad as tobacco. Tobacco doesn't make people psychotic. The evidence that cannabis does is very dubious. Many millions (perhaps billions) of pounds have been put into research aiming to prove that cannabis is harmful, but it took five decades before any could be found that would stand up to even cursory analysis. That wasn't money spent on investigating whether it is harmful and, if so, in which ways and how much, but in scratching around trying to find SOME evidence to hang onto cannabis. One point often missed by non-statisticians is that, if you do a thousand separate investigations into whether X is harmful, you will get (on average) one that says that it is at the 0.1% level of significance (highly significant), even if it is not harmful at all. And, yes, there have been that many. I haven't looked at the actual research papers, but I am pretty sure that the most that has been shown is a small association between long-term, heavy cannabis use and some psychological problems. Plus an association between heavy use in adolescence and some other ones. Regards, Nick Maclaren. I heard a report somewhere that smoking will be banned in the next 20 years. The ban can't come soon enough for me. Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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Sacha wrote: This will do for me. You need to scroll down a little http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealt.../cannabis.aspx To describe it as bigoted is probably unfair, but a quick glance indicates that it is extremely biassed, and frankly counts as propaganda rather than fact. I am sorry, but the reason that the reigning fanatics can get away with so much is that so few people are capable of analysing data. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On Friday, September 7, 2012 3:27:30 PM UTC+1, 'Mike' wrote:
wrote in message ... In article , Sacha wrote: On 2012-09-07 11:38:19 +0100, Martin said: Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got into this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single thing ab out it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of impossible financial situations, relatively easily. Possibly because it's illegal, it's an ugly plant and because we don't all do drugs? I wouldn't be involved with anything like that for a million pounds. What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Imo. Used long term, in large quantities, it's almost as bad as tobacco. Tobacco doesn't make people psychotic. The evidence that cannabis does is very dubious. Many millions (perhaps billions) of pounds have been put into research aiming to prove that cannabis is harmful, but it took five decades before any could be found that would stand up to even cursory analysis. That wasn't money spent on investigating whether it is harmful and, if so, in which ways and how much, but in scratching around trying to find SOME evidence to hang onto cannabis. One point often missed by non-statisticians is that, if you do a thousand separate investigations into whether X is harmful, you will get (on average) one that says that it is at the 0.1% level of significance (highly significant), even if it is not harmful at all. And, yes, there have been that many. I haven't looked at the actual research papers, but I am pretty sure that the most that has been shown is a small association between long-term, heavy cannabis use and some psychological problems. Plus an association between heavy use in adolescence and some other ones. Regards, Nick Maclaren. I heard a report somewhere that smoking will be banned in the next 20 years. The ban can't come soon enough for me. Mike -- ................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. ................................... For once I would have to agree Mike............however the crooks running the country get an awful lot of tax revenue from tobacco so not likely to happen any time soon. |
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On Friday, September 7, 2012 10:40:54 AM UTC+1, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-09-07 07:53:54 +0100, Guy Fawkes said: Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got into this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single thing ab out it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of impossible financial situations, relatively easily. Possibly because it's illegal, it's an ugly plant and because we don't all do drugs? I wouldn't be involved with anything like that for a million pounds. What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Imo. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ Would you cultivate cannabis if it were made legal? Have you even used cannabis yourself, and if you feel very strongly about drugs which adversely effect users health, would you fully support a blanket ban on all tobacco products? |
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writes What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Imo. And it's all the idiots who use it for recreational purposes that then make it difficult to obtain for treating conditions such as MS. -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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Janet Tweedy wrote: In article , Sacha writes What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Imo. And it's all the idiots who use it for recreational purposes that then make it difficult to obtain for treating conditions such as MS. Actually, no, sorry. The prejudice against and demonisation of cannabis started something like a century ago, and I have absolutely no idea why. It used to be part of the British Pharmacopeia, but has been significantly more restricted than morphine, heroin and cocaine for a century. It's very odd. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:33:09 PM UTC+1, (unknown) wrote:
In article , Janet Tweedy wrote: In article , Sacha writes What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Imo. And it's all the idiots who use it for recreational purposes that then make it difficult to obtain for treating conditions such as MS. Actually, no, sorry. The prejudice against and demonisation of cannabis started something like a century ago, and I have absolutely no idea why. It used to be part of the British Pharmacopeia, but has been significantly more restricted than morphine, heroin and cocaine for a century. It's very odd. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Its not that odd Nick. The powers that be understand only too well how easy it is to cultivate cannabis on a DIY basis, and should it be legalised the trade in far more dangerous drugs such as alcohol and tobacco would pretty much be finished overnight! I doubt very much whether any of the talking heads on here, who dont understand that cannabis is illegal for tax reasons, have ever tried it, and I would guess that if they had any users of legal drugs would far prefer it! |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:09:07 PM UTC+1, Janet wrote:
In article , Sacha writes What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Imo. And it's all the idiots who use it for recreational purposes that then make it difficult to obtain for treating conditions such as MS. -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk Janet I wonder do you drink alcohol or smoke tobacco? Have you tried cannabis, and do you feel that making it illegal for tax reasons is a good idea, bearing in mind how much more damaging the popular legal drugs are, and how much they cost the taxpayer every year in terms of healthcare issues? |
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Guy Fawkes wrote: Actually, no, sorry. The prejudice against and demonisation of cannabis started something like a century ago, and I have absolutely no idea why. It used to be part of the British Pharmacopeia, but has been significantly more restricted than morphine, heroin and cocaine for a century. It's very odd. Its not that odd Nick. The powers that be understand only too well how easy it is to cultivate cannabis on a DIY basis, and should it be legalised the trade in far more dangerous drugs such as alcohol and tobacco would pretty much be finished overnight! That's not my point, and is doubtful anyway. For most of that century, it has been legal for doctors to prescribe a huge range of drugs, including most of the ones used recreationally, but not cannabis. The claim was that it had no medicinal purpose, despite known facts to the contrary and it having been in the pharmacopeia at one time. The most extreme example of the prejudice was when the evidence for its efficacy in MS started to emerge, and some very well-respected medical researchers applied for a permit to see if the claims were founded in fact. Their application was flatly rejected on the grounds that there was no proven benefit, therefore research into whether it had any benefit could not be permitted. It's not harmless, but almost all of the cannabis-related harm is caused by the fact that it is treated like heroin, morphine and cocaine. That has been concluded by innumerable official reports, senior police officers and many others. Anyway, enough is enough on this sordid politics, which I shall never understand. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Fawkes writes Janet I wonder do you drink alcohol or smoke tobacco? Have you tried cannabis, and do you feel that making it illegal for tax reasons is a good idea, bearing in mind how much more damaging the popular legal drugs are, and how much they cost the taxpayer every year in terms of healthcare issues? No never drink, don't like alcohol taste, and never smoked. Not tried cannabis either but have a friend who has fairly advanced MS and a fair bit of pain. Cars have a lot of tax on them and I suspect in side issues they also cost the taxpayer lots of money in terms of health care. -- Janet Tweedy |
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On 08/09/2012 21:33, wrote:
In article , Janet Tweedy wrote: In article , Sacha writes What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Imo. And it's all the idiots who use it for recreational purposes that then make it difficult to obtain for treating conditions such as MS. Now that modern analytical chemistry can detect it in blood there is no compelling reason to ban it. Intoxication can be tested and compared to both alcohol and tobacco the total harm it does is relatively modest. It may even benefit people with certain conditions like MS and also as an effective anti-emetic for use in chemotherapy. Actually, no, sorry. The prejudice against and demonisation of cannabis started something like a century ago, and I have absolutely no idea why. It used to be part of the British Pharmacopeia, but has been significantly more restricted than morphine, heroin and cocaine for a century. It's very odd. Amongst other players William Randolph Hearst was hacked off that the Mexicans nabbed some of his prime timber land in the Spanish-American war and used his media empire to spread insane scare stories about Mexicans and "Marihuana" carefully avoiding telling them it was the same stuff as the Indian Hemp in various patent medicines of the day. http://www.pasadenaweekly.com/cms/st...nspiracy/9329/ Soon to be unemployed alcohol prohibitionists later leapt at the chance to empire build with a newly demonised target to attack and so the US "war-on-drugs" was born. They have been losing it ever since. You can blame "The League of Nations" for the global ban... http://www.idmu.co.uk/historical.htm (although I am not convinced this site is impartial) It seems that overly powerful newspaper magnates are very dangerous and can influence public opinion using fake stories and selective editing in ways that result in perverse outcomes detrimental to society. Some things don't change - scare stories sell lots more newspapers. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:18:33 PM UTC+1, Janet wrote:
In article , Guy Fawkes writes Janet I wonder do you drink alcohol or smoke tobacco? Have you tried cannabis, and do you feel that making it illegal for tax reasons is a good idea, bearing in mind how much more damaging the popular legal drugs are, and how much they cost the taxpayer every year in terms of healthcare issues? No never drink, don't like alcohol taste, and never smoked. Not tried cannabis either but have a friend who has fairly advanced MS and a fair bit of pain. Cars have a lot of tax on them and I suspect in side issues they also cost the taxpayer lots of money in terms of health care. -- Janet Tweedy If you have a friend with MS, then you might know first hand how effective the relief provided by cannabis is? The main reason cannabis is illegal is due to the ease it can be cultivated at home. If it was legal this would put those pedalling alcohol and tobacco out of business pretty much overnight, which would mean a lot tax to finance wars, and to bail out corrupt bankers............. |
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Martin Brown wrote: Actually, no, sorry. The prejudice against and demonisation of cannabis started something like a century ago, and I have absolutely no idea why. It used to be part of the British Pharmacopeia, but has been significantly more restricted than morphine, heroin and cocaine for a century. It's very odd. Amongst other players William Randolph Hearst was hacked off that the Mexicans nabbed some of his prime timber land in the Spanish-American war ... I said that I wouldn't follow-up on the politics, and won't, but you might like this correction of fact. That's a decade later and in a far country. Try the Dangerous Drugs Act 1920, the Dangerous Drugs Amendment Act 1923 and the 1928 amendment to the DDA 1920. Unfortunately, they are not online, and it would be the record in Hansard that would be more interesting. I doubt that I am going to get time to look at them. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 11:24:37 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:40:53 +0100, Sacha wrote: What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Same can be said about smoking tobacco and, to a lesser extent, drinking alcohol... If you put them in order of health risks due to long term excess you get Tobacco Alcohol Pot I once thought it might help me with the pain of my broken bones. Unfortunately I live in such a nice area that no one sells it on street corners, so I still haven't smoked cannabis ever. I would if I thought it would help, medically. Now how can a dried plant (tobacco) be legal and another one not? Tina |
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On Monday, September 10, 2012 9:01:36 PM UTC+1, Christina Websell wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 11:24:37 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:40:53 +0100, Sacha wrote: What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Same can be said about smoking tobacco and, to a lesser extent, drinking alcohol... If you put them in order of health risks due to long term excess you get Tobacco Alcohol Pot I once thought it might help me with the pain of my broken bones. Unfortunately I live in such a nice area that no one sells it on street corners, so I still haven't smoked cannabis ever. I would if I thought it would help, medically. Now how can a dried plant (tobacco) be legal and another one not? Tina Simple Tina.............the far more dangerous of the 2 (tobacco) cannot be easily grown at home, and also brings in the government (which supposedly is concerned with health!) many millions a year in tax revenue! Cannabis will greatly help you with pain relief is 100% natural and non addictive, and its very easy to buy seeds from the net, and grow a few plants for your own personal use at home, |
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On Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:07:57 PM UTC+1, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-09-09 16:32:12 +0100, Guy Fawkes said: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:18:33 PM UTC+1, Janet wrote: In article , Guy Fawkes writes Janet I wonder do you drink alcohol or smoke tobacco? Have you tried cannabis, and do you feel that making it illegal for tax reasons is a good idea, bearing in mind how much more damaging the popular legal drugs are, and how much they cost the taxpayer every year in terms of healthcare issues? No never drink, don't like alcohol taste, and never smoked. Not tried cannabis either but have a friend who has fairly advanced MS and a fair bit of pain. Cars have a lot of tax on them and I suspect in side issues they also cost the taxpayer lots of money in terms of health care. -- Janet Tweedy If you have a friend with MS, then you might know first hand how effective the relief provided by cannabis is? The main reason cannabis is illegal is due to the ease it can be cultivated at home. If it was legal this would put those pedalling alcohol and tobacc o out of business pretty much overnight, which would mean a lot tax to fina nce wars, and to bail out corrupt bankers............. None of your political ranting is on topic for this group. Illegal drugs harm and/or kill people and quite clearly, they scramble their brains. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ Interesting that you feel that spending taxpayers money on illegal wars, and funding corrupt bankers is merely "political ranting"! I wonder why exactly you have a link to a dodgy charity operation at the bottom of all your posts? |
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On 12/09/2012 07:39, Guy Fawkes wrote:
On Monday, September 10, 2012 9:01:36 PM UTC+1, Christina Websell wrote: "Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 11:24:37 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:40:53 +0100, Sacha wrote: What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Same can be said about smoking tobacco and, to a lesser extent, drinking alcohol... If you put them in order of health risks due to long term excess you get Tobacco Alcohol Pot And not forgetting ecstacy which as the UK's top drugs expert committee chairman pointed out is roughly about as dangerous as riding a horse. (an accurate observation of the risk that cost him his job). I once thought it might help me with the pain of my broken bones. Unfortunately I live in such a nice area that no one sells it on street corners, so I still haven't smoked cannabis ever. I would if I thought it would help, medically. You can also cook with it. Now how can a dried plant (tobacco) be legal and another one not? Tina Simple Tina.............the far more dangerous of the 2 (tobacco) cannot be easily grown at home, and also brings in the government (which supposedly is concerned with health!) many millions a year in tax revenue! Yes it can. I grew it on a plot one year at school for the biology master who ran the science club. Doesn't mature very well or get much by way of active ingredient but it grew OK and had plenty of leaves. Not worth the effort but it was interesting to try and grow. Mostly we grew tomatoes and ornamental plants to sell at school fairs and bred axolotyls, genetic mice and rats for classes. Cannabis will greatly help you with pain relief is 100% natural and non addictive, and its very easy to buy seeds from the net, and grow a few plants for your own personal use at home, I'd say cannabis was a lot more dependent on strong light levels than tobacco. Though both prefer much warmer sunnier climes than the UK. Opium poppies are similar in the UK - not enough light for them to make their active ingredient in significant quantities. A few ornamental ones revert to wild type every now and then out of so many seedlings. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:13:40 AM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:
On 12/09/2012 07:39, Guy Fawkes wrote: On Monday, September 10, 2012 9:01:36 PM UTC+1, Christina Websell wrote: "Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 11:24:37 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:40:53 +0100, Sacha wrote: What is now known about the effects of long-term smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it. Same can be said about smoking tobacco and, to a lesser extent, drinking alcohol... If you put them in order of health risks due to long term excess you get Tobacco Alcohol Pot And not forgetting ecstacy which as the UK's top drugs expert committee chairman pointed out is roughly about as dangerous as riding a horse. (an accurate observation of the risk that cost him his job). I once thought it might help me with the pain of my broken bones. Unfortunately I live in such a nice area that no one sells it on street corners, so I still haven't smoked cannabis ever. I would if I thought it would help, medically. You can also cook with it. Now how can a dried plant (tobacco) be legal and another one not? Tina Simple Tina.............the far more dangerous of the 2 (tobacco) cannot be easily grown at home, and also brings in the government (which supposedly is concerned with health!) many millions a year in tax revenue! Yes it can. I grew it on a plot one year at school for the biology master who ran the science club. Doesn't mature very well or get much by way of active ingredient but it grew OK and had plenty of leaves. Not worth the effort but it was interesting to try and grow. Mostly we grew tomatoes and ornamental plants to sell at school fairs and bred axolotyls, genetic mice and rats for classes. Cannabis will greatly help you with pain relief is 100% natural and non addictive, and its very easy to buy seeds from the net, and grow a few plants for your own personal use at home, I'd say cannabis was a lot more dependent on strong light levels than tobacco. Though both prefer much warmer sunnier climes than the UK. Opium poppies are similar in the UK - not enough light for them to make their active ingredient in significant quantities. A few ornamental ones revert to wild type every now and then out of so many seedlings. -- Regards, Martin Brown Very very easy to get a few growlights......... |
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On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:45:41 AM UTC+1, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-09-12 07:42:48 +0100, Guy Fawkes said: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:07:57 PM UTC+1, Sacha wrote: On 2012-09-09 16:32:12 +0100, Guy Fawkes said: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:18:33 PM UTC+1, Janet wrote: In article , Guy Fawkes writes Janet I wonder do you drink alcohol or smoke tobacco? Have you tried cannabis, and do you feel that making it illegal for tax reasons is a good idea, bearing in mind how much more damaging the popular legal drugs are, and how much they cost the taxpayer every year in terms of healthcare issues? No never drink, don't like alcohol taste, and never smoked. Not tried cannabis either but have a friend who has fairly advanced MS and a fair bit of pain. Cars have a lot of tax on them and I suspect in side issues they also cost the taxpayer lots of money in terms of health care. -- Janet Tweedy If you have a friend with MS, then you might know first hand how effective the relief provided by cannabis is? The main reason cannabis is illegal is due to the ease it can be cultivated at home. If it was legal this would put those pedalling alcohol and tobacc o out of business pretty much overnight, which would mean a lot tax to fina nce wars, and to bail out corrupt bankers............. None of your political ranting is on topic for this group. Illegal drugs harm and/or kill people and quite clearly, they scramble their brains. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ Interesting that you feel that spending taxpayers money on illegal wars, and funding corrupt bankers is merely "political ranting"! I wonder why exactly you have a link to a dodgy charity operation at the bottom of all your posts? As a cannabis user you're a perfect example of its dangers. I'm not interested in your rubbish so don't bother trying either to insult me or persuade me as you have rendered your own opinions worthless. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ I dont use cannabis, tobacco or alcohol, and I dont advertise dodgy charities at the foot of every one of my posts! However unlike yourself I do have first hand experience of illicit drug use, and have not need to rely on the crap to be found in the corporate media related to drug use................ |
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On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:41:08 PM UTC+1, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-09-12 11:06:25 +0100, Guy Fawkes said: On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:45:41 AM UTC+1, Sacha wrote: On 2012-09-12 07:42:48 +0100, Guy Fawkes said: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:07:57 PM UTC+1, Sacha wrote: On 2012-09-09 16:32:12 +0100, Guy Fawkes said: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:18:33 PM UTC+1, Janet wrote: In article , Guy Fawkes writes Janet I wonder do you drink alcohol or smoke tobacco? Have you tried cannabis, and do you feel that making it illegal for tax reasons is a good idea, bearing in mind how much more damaging the popular legal drugs are, and how much they cost the taxpayer every year in terms of healthcare issues? No never drink, don't like alcohol taste, and never smoked. Not tried cannabis either but have a friend who has fairly advanced MS and a fair bit of pain. Cars have a lot of tax on them and I suspect in side issues they also cost the taxpayer lots of money in terms of health care. -- Janet Tweedy If you have a friend with MS, then you might know first hand how effective the relief provided by cannabis is? The main reason cannabis is illegal is due to the ease it can be cultivated at home. If it was legal this would put those pedalling alcohol and tobacc o out of business pretty much overnight, which would mean a lot tax to fina nce wars, and to bail out corrupt bankers............. None of your political ranting is on topic for this group. Illegal drugs harm and/or kill people and quite clearly, they scramble their brains. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ Interesting that you feel that spending taxpayers money on illegal wars, and funding corrupt bankers is merely "political ranting"! I wonder why exactly you have a link to a dodgy charity operation at the bottom of all your posts? As a cannabis user you're a perfect example of its dangers. I'm not interested in your rubbish so don't bother trying either to insult me or persuade me as you have rendered your own opinions worthless. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ I dont use cannabis, tobacco or alcohol, and I dont advertise dodgy charities at the foot of every one of my posts! However unlike yourself I do have first hand experience of illicit drug use, and have not need to rely on the crap to be found in the corporate media related to drug use................ You must be on something if you think anyone is going to take seriously the ravings of a ccoward who posts anonymously to insult others and to disparage a charity that does wonderful work. Frankly, I don't care what you're taking but you won't be exhibiting its effects to me any further. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ The people who criticised the charity you represent were several ex service associations, who seemed to be suggesting that flash new buildings, dont do their members much good, when many dont have the simple things required for everyday existence! As for "Heros" not sure I would have used that word in regard to people taking part in illegal wars, which have nothing whatsoever to do with the security of the UK? |
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Fawkes writes dodgy charity operation May we quote this when they come to sue? -- Janet Tweedy |
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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:07:32 PM UTC+1, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-09-16 14:32:50 +0100, Janet Tweedy said: In article , Guy Fawkes writes dodgy charity operation May we quote this when they come to sue? He's a dirty little coward. It's easy to attack those that do something positive, when you're hiding behind a negative identity! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550 |
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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:32:50 PM UTC+1, Janet wrote:
In article , Guy Fawkes writes dodgy charity operation May we quote this when they come to sue? -- Janet Tweedy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550 Those running this type of charity would probably otherwise be selling used cars, or doing dodgy tarmac drives! |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2012-09-16 14:32:50 +0100, Janet Tweedy said: In article , Guy Fawkes writes dodgy charity operation May we quote this when they come to sue? He's a dirty little coward. It's easy to attack those that do something positive, when you're hiding behind a negative identity! Not so negative. His name is Chris Stevens, He posted here as Steerpike and is known in other groups as Tony99. He is as popular in other groups as he is here. A nasty piece of work! -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:13:32 PM UTC+1, Ophelia wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2012-09-16 14:32:50 +0100, Janet Tweedy said: In article , Guy Fawkes writes dodgy charity operation May we quote this when they come to sue? He's a dirty little coward. It's easy to attack those that do something positive, when you're hiding behind a negative identity! Not so negative. His name is Chris Stevens, He posted here as Steerpike and is known in other groups as Tony99. He is as popular in other groups as he is here. A nasty piece of work! -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ Coming from someone who supports the Help for Heros people, I guess you are familiar with nasty pieces of work? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550 |
Why not?
On Monday, September 17, 2012 12:34:07 AM UTC+1, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-09-16 19:13:29 +0100, "Ophelia" said: "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2012-09-16 14:32:50 +0100, Janet Tweedy said: In article , Guy Fawkes writes dodgy charity operation May we quote this when they come to sue? He's a dirty little coward. It's easy to attack those that do something positive, when you're hiding behind a negative identity! Not so negative. His name is Chris Stevens, He posted here as Steerpike and is known in other groups as Tony99. He is as popular in other groups as he is here. A nasty piece of work! -- Another shape shifter. This isn't likely to garner public respect. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ The fact that those behind a charity such as "Help for Heros" have an awful lot of public respect (and public money!) doesnt seem to say a lot for it? |
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Steerpike writes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550 Those running this type of charity would probably otherwise be selling used cars, or doing dodgy tarmac drives! You are REALLY talking to the wrong person here ! I wish we'd had H4H back in 1972 and since then as well! They are doing more than what was being doing then. -- Janet Tweedy |
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On Monday, September 17, 2012 4:29:27 PM UTC+1, Janet wrote:
In article , Steerpike writes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550 Those running this type of charity would probably otherwise be selling used cars, or doing dodgy tarmac drives! You are REALLY talking to the wrong person here ! I wish we'd had H4H back in 1972 and since then as well! They are doing more than what was being doing then. -- Janet Tweedy I cant really seeing how various up market construction projects, are of much help to ex servicemen, who might not be able to afford an artificial limb for instance? |
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