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Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...en-flocks.html
"Study co-author Iveta Karabozhilova called for greater regulation of back garden chickens and more communication between householders and health officials." I thought it was Labour who wanted to legislate everything. If there are 500,000 people keeping chickens then applying regulations to them isn't going to be easy or cheap (cheep?). No doubt this will also roll over to allotments. Cheers Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
Martin wrote in
: On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:48:53 -0000, "David WE Roberts" wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sk-poultry-far ms-garden-flocks.html "Study co-author Iveta Karabozhilova called for greater regulation of back garden chickens and more communication between householders and health officials." I thought it was Labour who wanted to legislate everything. If there are 500,000 people keeping chickens then applying regulations to them isn't going to be easy or cheap (cheep?). No doubt this will also roll over to allotments. No doubt this is more rubbish from the Daily Mail. Yes, might as well read Viz, the information is more accurate. Not quite as humerous as The Daily Mail, but they try hard. I wonder if Johnny Fart Pants left Viz for a career with The Daily Mail? Pecking order? Baz |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
On 20/11/2012 12:22, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:48:53 -0000, "David WE Roberts" wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...en-flocks.html "Study co-author Iveta Karabozhilova called for greater regulation of back garden chickens and more communication between householders and health officials." I thought it was Labour who wanted to legislate everything. If there are 500,000 people keeping chickens then applying regulations to them isn't going to be easy or cheap (cheep?). No doubt this will also roll over to allotments. No doubt this is more rubbish from the Daily Mail. Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
In message , Martin
writes On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:48:53 -0000, "David WE Roberts" wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sk-poultry-far ms-garden-flocks.html "Study co-author Iveta Karabozhilova called for greater regulation of back garden chickens and more communication between householders and health officials." I thought it was Labour who wanted to legislate everything. If there are 500,000 people keeping chickens then applying regulations to them isn't going to be easy or cheap (cheep?). No doubt this will also roll over to allotments. No doubt this is more rubbish from the Daily Mail. http://www.rvc.ac.uk/Research/News/B...en-keeping.cfm -- Simon 12) The Second Rule of Expectations An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment. |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Martin Brown" wrote
There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. Actually you can say that about all "pets". My sis-in-law looks after other peoples dogs/cats when they go away on holiday/business and is always commenting about her clients saying "I love my dog/cat" but that there is no welfare whatsoever, everything is for the ease and convenience of the owner there being no thought for what's good for the dog/cat. Don't people read up on keeping the pet they want and it's requirements before they buy it? She had one client that was a vegetarian and therefor so was her dog, poor dog was always ravenous, would steal any meat, and suffered digestion problems which was always cured by the time he went home again only to re-occur immediately. Obviously most breeders are not like the one we bought two Birman cats from where we had to travel across S. London to go to Sunday Tea twice and effectively sit an exam (by her and the cats) both times before she would let us buy them. We then had to promise to feed chopped up fresh Lambs Hearts daily and various other strict rules. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"David WE Roberts" wrote in message ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...en-flocks.html "Study co-author Iveta Karabozhilova called for greater regulation of back garden chickens and more communication between householders and health officials." I thought it was Labour who wanted to legislate everything. If there are 500,000 people keeping chickens then applying regulations to them isn't going to be easy or cheap (cheep?). No doubt this will also roll over to allotments. I would invite any health official to see how I keep my chickens. I doubt they'd do it better. But..do they keep chickens themselves? and if not how can they tell me what to do better? They can't, can they? I am proud to say that my chicken hut is cleaned every day from what they do in the night. Once a week they get the hut filled up with small wood chips. Then I throw a bit of wheat in. That's very exciting as they have to scratch around to find it. When you get hybrid hens you aren't supposed to feed then anything except layers pellets. I do feed them greens too. If it makes them lay slightly less, I don't mind. but atm the moment are laying like crazy. 3 eggs today from 3 hens, two yesterday and three the day before. The hen who doesn't lay by 4 pm when I feed them a bit for bedtime is always the first egg in the morning. I tried to eat three eggs a day for my breakfast for weeks. It's just not possible. I've started to sell them to my brother and his mother in law. I only want enough cash to cover their food and a little towards their horrible cost. I could buy half a dozen eggs a week for more than a year to buy those girls. I gave up breeding my rare chickens when I kept getting ill and expecting others to look after them when I was in hospital(again and again) I gradually let them pass away with old age. I now have three hybrid hens which are more than enough. They were very disappointing at first. I bought them at point of lay in May. I have a White hen (Coral) and Copper Black Maran and a "Pied Ranger" who went down broody after laying 20 eggs and never laid \nother egg for 14 weeks. The Maran did not lay until August although she doing well now laying very dark brown eggs The Coral - well she's a star. She lays a big egg every day although she might take a day off in 14. Alhough her egg is nearly white, and a white egg is not popular in the Uk, we do not eat the shell \and the contents are the same. In the US, white eggs are best, I think. How interesting. the darker brown shell on an egg the better we like it. |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Martin" wrote in message
... On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:51:56 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Obviously most breeders are not like the one we bought two Birman cats from where we had to travel across S. London to go to Sunday Tea twice and effectively sit an exam (by her and the cats) both times before she would let us buy them. We then had to promise to feed chopped up fresh Lambs Hearts daily and various other strict rules. Nor like a tortoise sanctuary where we had to sign something like adoption papers, promising that we would never ask for the tortoise to be returned to us, when we donated an unwanted tortoise. When I adopted my cats, I had to fill out a questionnaire, and was then quizzed on my responses. -- Kathy |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Martin Brown" wrote There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. snip She had one client that was a vegetarian and therefor so was her dog, poor dog was always ravenous, would steal any meat, and suffered digestion problems which was always cured by the time he went home again only to re-occur immediately. snip Dogs are quite happy on a correct vegetarian diet. My cousin feeds her dog (and fed the previous ones) on a mixture of raw vegetables and a vegetarian dry dogfood. Healthy, happy, very fit dogs. It is unusual to see a dog regard a broccoli stalk as a treat though :-) So (as with some vegetarians) it is not being vegetarian that is the issue, it is eating a balanced vegetarian diet. Sounds as though the dog was not being fed enough. Cheers Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:55:31 +0000, Sacha wrote:
There was a very famous (in his time) vet who believed dogs could/should be vegetarian. They can they are omnivores like us. Cats on the other hand are obligate carnivores. -- Cheers Dave. |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2012-11-20 17:51:56 +0000, "Bob Hobden" said: "Martin Brown" wrote There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. Actually you can say that about all "pets". My sis-in-law looks after other peoples dogs/cats when they go away on holiday/business and is always commenting about her clients saying "I love my dog/cat" but that there is no welfare whatsoever, everything is for the ease and convenience of the owner there being no thought for what's good for the dog/cat. Don't people read up on keeping the pet they want and it's requirements before they buy it? She had one client that was a vegetarian and therefor so was her dog, poor dog was always ravenous, would steal any meat, and suffered digestion problems which was always cured by the time he went home again only to re-occur immediately. Obviously most breeders are not like the one we bought two Birman cats from where we had to travel across S. London to go to Sunday Tea twice and effectively sit an exam (by her and the cats) both times before she would let us buy them. We then had to promise to feed chopped up fresh Lambs Hearts daily and various other strict rules. There was a very famous (in his time) vet who believed dogs could/should be vegetarian. Buster Llloyd Jones was the name, I think and the food products' marketing name was Denes. My dog hasn't been too well for a wee while (and remember she is 16 yo) I am feeding her on chicken and rice (vet's advice) I cook small amounts fresh 3 times a day:) And yes, she is worth it:) -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Martin" wrote http://www.rvc.ac.uk/Research/News/B...en-keeping.cfm "2. A total of 65 backyard chicken flock-keepers were recruited from May to July 2010 through adverts on websites, at City farms, veterinary practices and pet feed stores and surveyed by means of a questionnaire. A total of 30 responses were suitable for analysis." Statistically meaningful? In a survey just conducted among the British Public (well, all those currently available at my house) 100 percent said 'research?' -- Sue |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. -- I totally agree. Suddenly over the past year or two it's become fashionable to keep a few chickens. I've kept them since the early 70's and was considered a bit eccentric for having them. The forums are full of "what is wrong with my hen?" and "I only didn't shut them up one night at dusk because of (add office party or whatever) and the fox got them all" And all the other newbies rush in with sympathy and oh what bad luck posts. Then they get incubators and it's all very thrilling when the chicks hatch until they realise that 50% are males and they haven't made a plan for that. Tina |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. -- I totally agree. Suddenly over the past year or two it's become fashionable to keep a few chickens. I've kept them since the early 70's and was considered a bit eccentric for having them. The forums are full of "what is wrong with my hen?" and "I only didn't shut them up one night at dusk because of (add office party or whatever) and the fox got them all" And all the other newbies rush in with sympathy and oh what bad luck posts. Then they get incubators and it's all very thrilling when the chicks hatch until they realise that 50% are males and they haven't made a plan for that. Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"David WE Roberts" wrote in message ... Dogs are quite happy on a correct vegetarian diet. My cousin feeds her dog (and fed the previous ones) on a mixture of raw vegetables and a vegetarian dry dogfood. Healthy, happy, very fit dogs. It is unusual to see a dog regard a broccoli stalk as a treat though :-) Offer them some meat versus the veggie diet and see what they prefer! In the same way that I would not force meat on a pet rabbit because I eat meat myself, I wouldn't force vegetarian preferences on my dogs. I actually think this is bordering on cruelty. Tina So (as with some vegetarians) it is not being vegetarian that is the issue, it is eating a balanced vegetarian diet. Sounds as though the dog was not being fed enough. Cheers Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
In message , Martin Brown
writes On 20/11/2012 12:22, Martin wrote: On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:48:53 -0000, "David WE Roberts" wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...isk-poultry-fa rms-garden-flocks.html "Study co-author Iveta Karabozhilova called for greater regulation of back garden chickens and more communication between householders and health officials." I thought it was Labour who wanted to legislate everything. If there are 500,000 people keeping chickens then applying regulations to them isn't going to be easy or cheap (cheep?). No doubt this will also roll over to allotments. No doubt this is more rubbish from the Daily Mail. Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. Lot's of houses (including mine) have covenants in the deeds forbidding the keeping of poultry. -- bert |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Ophelia" wrote in message ... "Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. -- I totally agree. Suddenly over the past year or two it's become fashionable to keep a few chickens. I've kept them since the early 70's and was considered a bit eccentric for having them. The forums are full of "what is wrong with my hen?" and "I only didn't shut them up one night at dusk because of (add office party or whatever) and the fox got them all" And all the other newbies rush in with sympathy and oh what bad luck posts. Then they get incubators and it's all very thrilling when the chicks hatch until they realise that 50% are males and they haven't made a plan for that. Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! First buy a 6 x 4 shed and not an Omlet stupid thing for hundreds. Second don't think you don't have foxes - you do. If you are thinking of starting with chickens yourself just mail me if you need advice. No, I wouldn't write up the important points, those are freely available in magazines and the internet. It's up to the person who decides to keep hens to do their research before they get them. You are asking me to make it easy. I won't. Tina |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Ophelia" wrote in message ... "Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. -- I totally agree. Suddenly over the past year or two it's become fashionable to keep a few chickens. I've kept them since the early 70's and was considered a bit eccentric for having them. The forums are full of "what is wrong with my hen?" and "I only didn't shut them up one night at dusk because of (add office party or whatever) and the fox got them all" And all the other newbies rush in with sympathy and oh what bad luck posts. Then they get incubators and it's all very thrilling when the chicks hatch until they realise that 50% are males and they haven't made a plan for that. Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! First buy a 6 x 4 shed and not an Omlet stupid thing for hundreds. Second don't think you don't have foxes - you do. If you are thinking of starting with chickens yourself just mail me if you need advice. No, I wouldn't write up the important points, those are freely available in magazines and the internet. It's up to the person who decides to keep hens to do their research before they get them. You are asking me to make it easy. I won't. Apologies. I assumed that you with all your knowledge would be a good place to begin research. I won't bother you again. -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Ophelia" wrote in message ... "Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. -- I totally agree. Suddenly over the past year or two it's become fashionable to keep a few chickens. I've kept them since the early 70's and was considered a bit eccentric for having them. The forums are full of "what is wrong with my hen?" and "I only didn't shut them up one night at dusk because of (add office party or whatever) and the fox got them all" And all the other newbies rush in with sympathy and oh what bad luck posts. Then they get incubators and it's all very thrilling when the chicks hatch until they realise that 50% are males and they haven't made a plan for that. Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! First buy a 6 x 4 shed and not an Omlet stupid thing for hundreds. Second don't think you don't have foxes - you do. If you are thinking of starting with chickens yourself just mail me if you need advice. No, I wouldn't write up the important points, those are freely available in magazines and the internet. It's up to the person who decides to keep hens to do their research before they get them. You are asking me to make it easy. I won't. Apologies. I assumed that you with all your knowledge would be a good place to begin research. I won't bother you again. -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
Martin wrote:
Lot's of houses (including mine) have covenants in the deeds forbidding the keeping of poultry. I had a third floor flat in Cwmbran where keeping pigs was specifically forbidden. Did you try it anyhow? (you could probably keep pigs in some of the rooms in our house and never find them again) |
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wrote in message ... Martin wrote: Lot's of houses (including mine) have covenants in the deeds forbidding the keeping of poultry. I had a third floor flat in Cwmbran where keeping pigs was specifically forbidden. Did you try it anyhow? (you could probably keep pigs in some of the rooms in our house and never find them again) When we had our house out in the country, we could keep half a pig. When we had our big garden in Leicester they wouldn't let me keep chickens, but 'We will give you planning permission for houses if you like'. I did! Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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In message , Christina Websell
writes "Ophelia" wrote in message ... "Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. -- I totally agree. Suddenly over the past year or two it's become fashionable to keep a few chickens. I've kept them since the early 70's and was considered a bit eccentric for having them. The forums are full of "what is wrong with my hen?" and "I only didn't shut them up one night at dusk because of (add office party or whatever) and the fox got them all" And all the other newbies rush in with sympathy and oh what bad luck posts. Then they get incubators and it's all very thrilling when the chicks hatch until they realise that 50% are males and they haven't made a plan for that. Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! First buy a 6 x 4 shed and not an Omlet stupid thing for hundreds. Second don't think you don't have foxes - you do. If you are thinking of starting with chickens yourself just mail me if you need advice. No, I wouldn't write up the important points, those are freely available in magazines and the internet. It's up to the person who decides to keep hens to do their research before they get them. You are asking me to make it easy. I won't. Tina To that I would ad - Don't think you don't have rats - you do. -- bert |
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In message , Sacha
writes On 2012-11-21 21:36:00 +0000, "Christina Websell" said: "Ophelia" wrote in message ... snip Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! First buy a 6 x 4 shed and not an Omlet stupid thing for hundreds. Second don't think you don't have foxes - you do. If you are thinking of starting with chickens yourself just mail me if you need advice. No, I wouldn't write up the important points, those are freely available in magazines and the internet. It's up to the person who decides to keep hens to do their research before they get them. You are asking me to make it easy. I won't. Tina Nobody is asking you to make it easy, imo. This is a group to which people come for help and advice and you're refusing to give it here. You are very hard, always, on people who want to keep a few hens so why not help them to do it properly - as you see it? If we didn't already have our dozen chooks and were looking to start with a few, I'd think your reply was intended to stop others doing what you enjoy and at which you like to appear to excel. That's not what any of us who garden do here, so why do you feel it right to do that to others who wish to keep hens? Ophelia's was a civil request for assistance from you who talk quite a lot about how others don't get it right but now refuse to tell them how they *should* get it right. Bit smug and unkind both to would-be chicken owners and the chickens who won't now benefit from your personal belief in your own 'expertise'. You seem to spend a lot of time telling people how much you know about something and then treating them as idiots. As a result, there is little point in reading your posts in future, so I won't bother. Net nanny rides again. -- bert |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"bert" ] wrote in message ... In message , Sacha writes On 2012-11-21 21:36:00 +0000, "Christina Websell" said: "Ophelia" wrote in message ... snip Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! First buy a 6 x 4 shed and not an Omlet stupid thing for hundreds. Second don't think you don't have foxes - you do. If you are thinking of starting with chickens yourself just mail me if you need advice. No, I wouldn't write up the important points, those are freely available in magazines and the internet. It's up to the person who decides to keep hens to do their research before they get them. You are asking me to make it easy. I won't. Tina Nobody is asking you to make it easy, imo. This is a group to which people come for help and advice and you're refusing to give it here. You are very hard, always, on people who want to keep a few hens so why not help them to do it properly - as you see it? If we didn't already have our dozen chooks and were looking to start with a few, I'd think your reply was intended to stop others doing what you enjoy and at which you like to appear to excel. That's not what any of us who garden do here, so why do you feel it right to do that to others who wish to keep hens? Ophelia's was a civil request for assistance from you who talk quite a lot about how others don't get it right but now refuse to tell them how they *should* get it right. Bit smug and unkind both to would-be chicken owners and the chickens who won't now benefit from your personal belief in your own 'expertise'. You seem to spend a lot of time telling people how much you know about something and then treating them as idiots. As a result, there is little point in reading your posts in future, so I won't bother. Net nanny rides again. -- bert Have I treated anyone as an idiot? If so I apologise. I have offered help to Ophelia if she wants to get chickens. I don't remember upsetting Sacha but maybe I did. so now she doesn't want to see my posts It's ridiculous. |
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"bert" ] wrote in message ... In message , Christina Websell writes "Ophelia" wrote in message ... "Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. -- I totally agree. Suddenly over the past year or two it's become fashionable to keep a few chickens. I've kept them since the early 70's and was considered a bit eccentric for having them. The forums are full of "what is wrong with my hen?" and "I only didn't shut them up one night at dusk because of (add office party or whatever) and the fox got them all" And all the other newbies rush in with sympathy and oh what bad luck posts. Then they get incubators and it's all very thrilling when the chicks hatch until they realise that 50% are males and they haven't made a plan for that. Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! First buy a 6 x 4 shed and not an Omlet stupid thing for hundreds. Second don't think you don't have foxes - you do. If you are thinking of starting with chickens yourself just mail me if you need advice. No, I wouldn't write up the important points, those are freely available in magazines and the internet. It's up to the person who decides to keep hens to do their research before they get them. You are asking me to make it easy. I won't. Tina To that I would ad - Don't think you don't have rats - you do. -- Yep, if you keep chickens you will get rats. |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:23:31 +0000, bert ] wrote: In message , Martin Brown writes On 20/11/2012 12:22, Martin wrote: On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:48:53 -0000, "David WE Roberts" wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...isk-poultry-fa rms-garden-flocks.html "Study co-author Iveta Karabozhilova called for greater regulation of back garden chickens and more communication between householders and health officials." I thought it was Labour who wanted to legislate everything. If there are 500,000 people keeping chickens then applying regulations to them isn't going to be easy or cheap (cheep?). No doubt this will also roll over to allotments. No doubt this is more rubbish from the Daily Mail. Actually for the Mail that is a fairly balanced article. There isn't enough awareness among chicken owning public of the welfare requirements of hens when kept as garden pets/lifestyle accessories. Lot's of houses (including mine) have covenants in the deeds forbidding the keeping of poultry. I had a third floor flat in Cwmbran where keeping pigs was specifically forbidden. -- Martin I can keep pigs if I want to, my deeds say so. I don't want to. They are scary because I cannot read them. I cannot tell whether or not they are going to be annoyed. A friend of mine got his thigh muscle ripped out by a pig. That's affected my perception of them. Tina |
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wrote in message ... Martin wrote: Lot's of houses (including mine) have covenants in the deeds forbidding the keeping of poultry. I had a third floor flat in Cwmbran where keeping pigs was specifically forbidden. Did you try it anyhow? (you could probably keep pigs in some of the rooms in our house and never find them again) lol you are funny:)) -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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wrote in message ... Martin wrote: Lot's of houses (including mine) have covenants in the deeds forbidding the keeping of poultry. I had a third floor flat in Cwmbran where keeping pigs was specifically forbidden. Did you try it anyhow? (you could probably keep pigs in some of the rooms in our house and never find them again) lol you are funny:)) -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:00:24 -0000, "Ophelia" wrote: lol you are funny:)) You can say that again and again and ... .... and again if you like ... ;) -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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Martin wrote:
(you could probably keep pigs in some of the rooms in our house and never find them again) LOL here too before the children grew up and left home. Surprisingly, the boys' bedroom is the only tidy one atm. (Although that is helped by me scraping up all the bits of toilet paper Daniel had spread over his floor yesterday) |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:38:17 -0000, "Ophelia" wrote: "Martin" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:00:24 -0000, "Ophelia" wrote: lol you are funny:)) You can say that again and again and ... ... and again if you like ... ;) There's no stopping you some days. Eeeeeeeeh lad! When ahh get the bit between me teeth ... -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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wrote in message ... Martin wrote: (you could probably keep pigs in some of the rooms in our house and never find them again) LOL here too before the children grew up and left home. Surprisingly, the boys' bedroom is the only tidy one atm. (Although that is helped by me scraping up all the bits of toilet paper Daniel had spread over his floor yesterday) Might one be permitted to ask why he spread bits of ..... -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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Ophelia wrote:
Surprisingly, the boys' bedroom is the only tidy one atm. (Although that is helped by me scraping up all the bits of toilet paper Daniel had spread over his floor yesterday) Might one be permitted to ask why he spread bits of ..... Being Daniel, it could very well have been "to wipe up the poo". However, as far as I can tell in this case, it was "to **** off mummy". He said they were in his bed and they were rubbish. So obviously the floor is the place for them to go |
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wrote in message ... Ophelia wrote: Surprisingly, the boys' bedroom is the only tidy one atm. (Although that is helped by me scraping up all the bits of toilet paper Daniel had spread over his floor yesterday) Might one be permitted to ask why he spread bits of ..... Being Daniel, it could very well have been "to wipe up the poo". However, as far as I can tell in this case, it was "to **** off mummy". He said they were in his bed and they were rubbish. So obviously the floor is the place for them to go Right! Did Mummy have a wee word with himself on this matter? g Does he has a rubbish bin in his room? :))) -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
Ophelia wrote:
Being Daniel, it could very well have been "to wipe up the poo". However, as far as I can tell in this case, it was "to **** off mummy". He said they were in his bed and they were rubbish. So obviously the floor is the place for them to go Right! Did Mummy have a wee word with himself on this matter? g Does he has a rubbish bin in his room? :))) He does not, but they don't really /normally/ have much opportunity to make a mess of a rubbish kind. And also, he's particularly talented at throwing things not-at-the-right-place. Eg, his dirty clothes aimed for the wash basket end up on the top of the door ... |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
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... Ophelia wrote: Being Daniel, it could very well have been "to wipe up the poo". However, as far as I can tell in this case, it was "to **** off mummy". He said they were in his bed and they were rubbish. So obviously the floor is the place for them to go Right! Did Mummy have a wee word with himself on this matter? g Does he has a rubbish bin in his room? :))) He does not, but they don't really /normally/ have much opportunity to make a mess of a rubbish kind. And also, he's particularly talented at throwing things not-at-the-right-place. Eg, his dirty clothes aimed for the wash basket end up on the top of the door ... Going to be a striker for England then :-} -- Kathy |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
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writes "bert" ] wrote in message ... In message , Sacha writes On 2012-11-21 21:36:00 +0000, "Christina Websell" said: "Ophelia" wrote in message ... snip Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! First buy a 6 x 4 shed and not an Omlet stupid thing for hundreds. Second don't think you don't have foxes - you do. If you are thinking of starting with chickens yourself just mail me if you need advice. No, I wouldn't write up the important points, those are freely available in magazines and the internet. It's up to the person who decides to keep hens to do their research before they get them. You are asking me to make it easy. I won't. Tina Nobody is asking you to make it easy, imo. This is a group to which people come for help and advice and you're refusing to give it here. You are very hard, always, on people who want to keep a few hens so why not help them to do it properly - as you see it? If we didn't already have our dozen chooks and were looking to start with a few, I'd think your reply was intended to stop others doing what you enjoy and at which you like to appear to excel. That's not what any of us who garden do here, so why do you feel it right to do that to others who wish to keep hens? Ophelia's was a civil request for assistance from you who talk quite a lot about how others don't get it right but now refuse to tell them how they *should* get it right. Bit smug and unkind both to would-be chicken owners and the chickens who won't now benefit from your personal belief in your own 'expertise'. You seem to spend a lot of time telling people how much you know about something and then treating them as idiots. As a result, there is little point in reading your posts in future, so I won't bother. Net nanny rides again. -- bert Have I treated anyone as an idiot? If so I apologise. I have offered help to Ophelia if she wants to get chickens. I don't remember upsetting Sacha but maybe I did. so now she doesn't want to see my posts It's ridiculous. Sacha I know you are an authority on gardening. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! -- bert |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"bert" ] wrote in message ... In message , Christina Websell writes "bert" ] wrote in message ... In message , Sacha writes On 2012-11-21 21:36:00 +0000, "Christina Websell" said: "Ophelia" wrote in message ... snip Tina, I know you are an authority on chickens. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! First buy a 6 x 4 shed and not an Omlet stupid thing for hundreds. Second don't think you don't have foxes - you do. If you are thinking of starting with chickens yourself just mail me if you need advice. No, I wouldn't write up the important points, those are freely available in magazines and the internet. It's up to the person who decides to keep hens to do their research before they get them. You are asking me to make it easy. I won't. Tina Nobody is asking you to make it easy, imo. This is a group to which people come for help and advice and you're refusing to give it here. You are very hard, always, on people who want to keep a few hens so why not help them to do it properly - as you see it? If we didn't already have our dozen chooks and were looking to start with a few, I'd think your reply was intended to stop others doing what you enjoy and at which you like to appear to excel. That's not what any of us who garden do here, so why do you feel it right to do that to others who wish to keep hens? Ophelia's was a civil request for assistance from you who talk quite a lot about how others don't get it right but now refuse to tell them how they *should* get it right. Bit smug and unkind both to would-be chicken owners and the chickens who won't now benefit from your personal belief in your own 'expertise'. You seem to spend a lot of time telling people how much you know about something and then treating them as idiots. As a result, there is little point in reading your posts in future, so I won't bother. Net nanny rides again. -- bert Have I treated anyone as an idiot? If so I apologise. I have offered help to Ophelia if she wants to get chickens. I don't remember upsetting Sacha but maybe I did. so now she doesn't want to see my posts It's ridiculous. Sacha I know you are an authority on gardening. Would you consider writing up all the important points that a newby would need to know to start? I would love to have that!! That is hardly comparable to keeping chickens which is rather specific don't you think? -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
wrote in message ... Ophelia wrote: Being Daniel, it could very well have been "to wipe up the poo". However, as far as I can tell in this case, it was "to **** off mummy". He said they were in his bed and they were rubbish. So obviously the floor is the place for them to go Right! Did Mummy have a wee word with himself on this matter? g Does he has a rubbish bin in his room? :))) He does not, but they don't really /normally/ have much opportunity to make a mess of a rubbish kind. And also, he's particularly talented at throwing things not-at-the-right-place. Eg, his dirty clothes aimed for the wash basket end up on the top of the door ... Ahhh now that I do remember:) -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "David WE Roberts" wrote in message ... Dogs are quite happy on a correct vegetarian diet. My cousin feeds her dog (and fed the previous ones) on a mixture of raw vegetables and a vegetarian dry dogfood. Healthy, happy, very fit dogs. It is unusual to see a dog regard a broccoli stalk as a treat though :-) Offer them some meat versus the veggie diet and see what they prefer! In the same way that I would not force meat on a pet rabbit because I eat meat myself, I wouldn't force vegetarian preferences on my dogs. I actually think this is bordering on cruelty. For God's sake get a life. Or at least a slightly more balanced view - cruelty to animals??? Perhaps instead you should approach the RSPCA and encourage them to prosecute http://www.veggiepets.com/acatalog/v...formation.html who say "Yes, dogs have no problem being vegetarian. Dogs do not have to rely on eating meat as they can find all the nutrition that they require from non-animal sources. There are thousands of healthy dogs living on vegetarian diets without any problems. Happidog, the first vegetarian dog food in the UK, is celebrating its 25th anniversary and is going strong with more vegetarian dogs than ever! In fact, some health problems can be alleviated by cutting out meat. Vegetarian diets are well known for relieving arthritis, skin and fur problems and obesity in dogs. Our selection of vegetarian dog foods are well balanced and nutritious, supplying all of the essential nutrition your dog needs. High in protein, low in fat without artificial flavourings or colourings." Obviously these are evil people who are promoting willful cruelty towards dogs and should be pursued by all right minded people. Looking forward to your positive action. Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
Yet more proposed regulation - chickens this time
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Sacha wrote: The only thing I'd add to this, Dave, is that a long time ago a vet told me that dogs' and cats' stomach acids are designed i.e. strong enough, to dissolve raw meat. Aiui, feeding them cooked and processed meat is actually, potentially, harmful to them. Now, ours are fed a canned food that is meat based and they'd stand on their noses in a hoop of fire for chicken, raw or cooked, so I'm guess from many, many years of dog ownership that their personal preference is for meat or poultry. That's certainly what their teeth seem to be designed for - dogs teeth are for tearing, cats tongues are for rasping. I've known dogs steal meat but only one that stole meat as well as raw carrots! I'm not saying vegetarian food is BAD for them, if properly balanced. But I don't think it's natural. ... Actually, it is. While wolves are primarily carnivorous, many other dogs (e.g. foxes) most definitely are omnivorous, and almost all dogs can do very well with a largely vegetarian diet. Some hunts fed their hounds on porridge! Yes, they prefer meat, but so do we and chimpanzees, as a general rule - and we are NOT adapted to eat much of it. Cats are a different matter, as can be seen from their teeth. Most are obligate carnivores, and cannot handle a largely vegetarian diet. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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