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OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike
In article , bert ]
writes I think it's to improve IMAP access for smart phones etc whereas TP uses POP3. The best solution seems to be to route all your mail into one or more sub accounts and collect from those with TP when the routing rules will still work. If you try to use the default administrator mailbox all the headers get re-written and TP can't sort out to whom the e-mail was originally addressed. Bert I would love to understand all that and thank you for explaining but still not simple enough for me! :) -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike - now also thoughts on Windows 8
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 bert wrote:
Judging by the Demon forum this migration of email is neither wanted nor greeted enthusiastically. i don't now feel so thick as i did before I realised that many others have no idea what these wonderful new advantages are or indeed mean :) The best solution seems to be to route all your mail into one or more sub accounts and collect from those with TP when the routing rules will still work. If you try to use the default administrator mailbox all the headers get re-written and TP can't sort out to whom the e-mail was originally addressed. In my experience, it's a problem which hasn't been explained by Demon at all well. Having been migrated some months ago, I have now managed to get Demon to send me my mail without it being rewritten to Administrator. Took me several goes but it's essentially very simple once you know how. Forgive me if someone else has already explained it - I am a very slow bear sometimes. Essentially all one needs to do is to log on to the web email portal as administrator and add names to the administrator account. In my case I've added my own and my wife's name. Our mail now comes in without being rewritten and it goes into the correct mailboxes. I can give a step by step guide by email if anyone needs it. Again, my apologies if I'm repeating what has already been said. The next problem, of course, is getting Turnpike to work with Windows 8. In case anyone is worrying about this I can say that Turnpike works perfectly with Win8 32-bit; no need for a virtual box as there was with Windows 7. However, if you're running, or wanting to run, the 64-bit version of Win8 then you will need a virtual box to run Turnpike, but this is not a big deal. I downloaded and installed the Oracle VM Virtual Box (which is free) with no problem at all, installed Windows XP in that and then Turnpike. And that works perfectly. Interestingly Turnpike Connect does work perfectly with 64-bit in native mode. It's just that the Turnpike mail reader (Turnkick) won't load. But a virtual box solves that problem. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://rance.org.uk |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike
In article , Martin
writes Separate out what he wrote into points you don't understand and ask for an answer to each. -- Martin Well managed to get talked through the migration but now Turnpike is bouncing the emails and mailwasher is sitting sulking :) good stuff this technology advancement -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike - now also thoughts on Windows 8
In article , David Rance
writes Forgive me if someone else has already explained it - I am a very slow bear sometimes. No you explained it brilliantly David but not why Turnpike is now bouncing emails liberally and I cannot get Mail washer to work at all so everything comes to me without filtering rubbish:) Sat at this blinking computer since 5pm trying to reconfigure stuff but to now avail and the 24hr support stops at 8pm ! -- Janet Tweedy |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike - now also thoughts on Windows 8
In message , David Rance
writes On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 bert wrote: Judging by the Demon forum this migration of email is neither wanted nor greeted enthusiastically. i don't now feel so thick as i did before I realised that many others have no idea what these wonderful new advantages are or indeed mean :) The best solution seems to be to route all your mail into one or more sub accounts and collect from those with TP when the routing rules will still work. If you try to use the default administrator mailbox all the headers get re-written and TP can't sort out to whom the e-mail was originally addressed. In my experience, it's a problem which hasn't been explained by Demon at all well. Having been migrated some months ago, I have now managed to get Demon to send me my mail without it being rewritten to Administrator. Took me several goes but it's essentially very simple once you know how. Forgive me if someone else has already explained it - I am a very slow bear sometimes. Essentially all one needs to do is to log on to the web email portal as administrator and add names to the administrator account. In my case I've added my own and my wife's name. Our mail now comes in without being rewritten and it goes into the correct mailboxes. I can give a step by step guide by email if anyone needs it. Again, my apologies if I'm repeating what has already been said. The next problem, of course, is getting Turnpike to work with Windows 8. In case anyone is worrying about this I can say that Turnpike works perfectly with Win8 32-bit; no need for a virtual box as there was with Windows 7. No No No. TP runs OK on W7 32 bit. However, if you're running, or wanting to run, the 64-bit version of Win8 then you will need a virtual box to run Turnpike, but this is not a big deal. I downloaded and installed the Oracle VM Virtual Box (which is free) with no problem at all, installed Windows XP in that and then Turnpike. And that works perfectly. Interestingly Turnpike Connect does work perfectly with 64-bit in native mode. It's just that the Turnpike mail reader (Turnkick) won't load. But a virtual box solves that problem. David W8 64 bit comes with its own virtual box which will run XP The reason behind all this is the MS suddenly and without explanation withdrew 32 bit explorer on W7 just before release. TP version 6 was written, following MS recommendation for developers, to run in Explorer. TP5 runs OK in native mode on W7. I've not seen any comment on anyone running it on W8 There are still copies of TP5.02 around if you want to regress. -- bert |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike - now also thoughts on Windows 8
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 bert wrote:
The next problem, of course, is getting Turnpike to work with Windows 8. In case anyone is worrying about this I can say that Turnpike works perfectly with Win8 32-bit; no need for a virtual box as there was with Windows 7. No No No. TP runs OK on W7 32 bit. Ah, good! However, if you're running, or wanting to run, the 64-bit version of Win8 then you will need a virtual box to run Turnpike, but this is not a big deal. I downloaded and installed the Oracle VM Virtual Box (which is free) with no problem at all, installed Windows XP in that and then Turnpike. And that works perfectly. W8 64 bit comes with its own virtual box which will run XP Yes, it's called Hyper-V. But you can use it only if your chipset supports Second Level Address Translation. Mine doesn't even though it's only a year or so old, which is why I had to resort to the Oracle Virtual Box. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://rance.org.uk |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike
In article , Martin
writes Well managed to get talked through the migration but now Turnpike is bouncing the emails and mailwasher is sitting sulking :) Mailwasher is probably fed up reading spam. Nah, it doesn't like the new portal. On a more exciting note i was rung up by the helpline and told to send all the bounced emails to the , which I duly did. Goodness mew, within 20 seconds that address had bounced every email back to me :) Now been exmigrated whatever the word is, until they can work out what is happening. -- Janet Tweedy |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike
In article , Martin
writes You are a very bouncy woman :-) Oh you guessed! Now been exmigrated whatever the word is, until they can work out what is happening. Resounding silence sulk mode next? Well not heard a peep out of them since dinner time. Only consolation is that I can still connect as per normal to this newsgroup! -- Janet Tweedy |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike
In message , Janet Tweedy
writes In article , Martin writes Well managed to get talked through the migration but now Turnpike is bouncing the emails and mailwasher is sitting sulking :) Mailwasher is probably fed up reading spam. Nah, it doesn't like the new portal. On a more exciting note i was rung up by the helpline and told to send all the bounced emails to the , which I duly did. Goodness mew, within 20 seconds that address had bounced every email back to me :) Now been exmigrated whatever the word is, until they can work out what is happening. Unmigrated? - and many others would like to be in the same situation I think. -- bert |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike
In message , Janet Tweedy
writes In article , Martin writes You are a very bouncy woman :-) Oh you guessed! Now been exmigrated whatever the word is, until they can work out what is happening. Resounding silence sulk mode next? Well not heard a peep out of them since dinner time. Only consolation is that I can still connect as per normal to this newsgroup! Fortunately usenet access is totally independent of e-mail servers, and especially MS ones. -- bert |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike - now also thoughts on Windows 8
In message , Janet Tweedy
writes In article , David Rance writes Forgive me if someone else has already explained it - I am a very slow bear sometimes. No you explained it brilliantly David but not why Turnpike is now bouncing emails liberally and I cannot get Mail washer to work at all so everything comes to me without filtering rubbish:) Sat at this blinking computer since 5pm trying to reconfigure stuff but to now avail and the 24hr support stops at 8pm ! Have you searched the archives I'm sure mailwasher has been mentioned along the way. But with the new mail system comes Defender Lite which seems to be filtering out spam for most people. I get the impression spam filtering has been dropped on the old system. -- bert |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike
In article , Martin
writes Well not heard a peep out of them since dinner time. Only consolation is that I can still connect as per normal to this newsgroup! but for how long? I have been migrated back apparently and no sign of them 'improving' my connection to the server yet awhile :) -- Janet Tweedy |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike
In article ,
Janet writes This is all horribly reminiscent of the chaos inflicted on Zetnet customers some years ago. According to demon who have been migrating customers in shifts from last march, it's so people can get their emails via phoned etc. Not much use if you can't even get the new address to accept the blinking things in the first place!! I have now put Thunderbird on an old lap top so once i find a way of extracting my addresses out of TP I might think about changing:) -- Janet Tweedy |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike - now also thoughts on Windows 8
In article , bert ]
writes But with the new mail system comes Defender Lite which seems to be filtering out spam for most people. I get the impression spam filtering has been dropped on the old system. -- Don't want spam filtered thanks, I can deal with it quite easily via Mailwasher at the moment and some spam isn't, so I can unstick those emails and some nonspam is (if you get my drift) so choose not to download those! -- Janet Tweedy |
OT sorry for those using Demon/turnpike
In message , Janet Tweedy
writes In article , Martin writes Well not heard a peep out of them since dinner time. Only consolation is that I can still connect as per normal to this newsgroup! but for how long? I have been migrated back apparently and no sign of them 'improving' my connection to the server yet awhile :) Just read in demon.service all migration has been temporarily suspended. -- bert |
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