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I was both heartened and disheartened this morning when Ray read a
piece out of the DT to me. Apparently, it is officially acknowledged (not just us moaning to each other!) that while they look great and the vision's wonderful, flat-screen tvs produce really terrible sound. A lot of people have resorted to buying a soundbar to improve the clarity. I'm relieved it's not just us, to be honest. Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. So it's not just the deaf and ageing! Eh? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 14/02/2013 16:59, Sacha wrote:
I was both heartened and disheartened this morning when Ray read a piece out of the DT to me. Apparently, it is officially acknowledged (not just us moaning to each other!) that while they look great and the vision's wonderful, flat-screen tvs produce really terrible sound. A lot of people have resorted to buying a soundbar to improve the clarity. I'm relieved it's not just us, to be honest. Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. So it's not just the deaf and ageing! Eh? Nature of the beast. No room for speakers. Take the opportunity to litter the place up with surround sound :-) |
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 Sacha wrote:
I was both heartened and disheartened this morning when Ray read a piece out of the DT to me. Apparently, it is officially acknowledged (not just us moaning to each other!) that while they look great and the vision's wonderful, flat-screen tvs produce really terrible sound. A lot of people have resorted to buying a soundbar to improve the clarity. I'm relieved it's not just us, to be honest. Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. So it's not just the deaf and ageing! Eh? A week ago my ten-year-old set stopped working and so I had to buy a new one. I had done a lot of homework on what the strengths and weaknesses of the modern sets were and I was particularly worried by what I'd read about the poor sound quality. I don't hear sibilants too well and when I guess what has been said it can get quite hilarious as well as frustrating - fortunately my wife is often there to "translate" for me. I was of the generation that indulged in hi-fi back in the '60s (in fact I ran, part-time, a semi-professional sound recording company back in the '60s and 70s) and, with my old set, I could plug it in to my current hi-fi system to improve the sound, but one program (University Challenge) I found always had distorted sound, presumably because it was recorded with poor sound equipment in the first place. Well, I wasn't *quite* ready to go out and buy a new set but was now in a position where I had to. After doing a lot more research I finally decided on a Samsung Smart TV. I thought that, if the sound is poor, I can still plug it into the hi-fi. When it arrived, imagine my disappointment when I found it wasn't possible to do that. Yes, there was a sound output but it was digital and my hi-fi is too old to accept that! However, all's well that ends well because the sound from the new Samsung is superb and I don't need a separate set of speakers. It's even better than my old Sony CRT set. The picture's pretty good, too, especially in HD. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... I was both heartened and disheartened this morning when Ray read a piece out of the DT to me. Apparently, it is officially acknowledged (not just us moaning to each other!) that while they look great and the vision's wonderful, flat-screen tvs produce really terrible sound. A lot of people have resorted to buying a soundbar to improve the clarity. I'm relieved it's not just us, to be honest. Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. So it's not just the deaf and ageing! Eh? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk Uh! you've think you've got problems? I have a cataract on one eye and I'm paying for Sky+HD !! Bill |
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"David Rance" wrote ...
Sacha wrote: I was both heartened and disheartened this morning when Ray read a piece out of the DT to me. Apparently, it is officially acknowledged (not just us moaning to each other!) that while they look great and the vision's wonderful, flat-screen tvs produce really terrible sound. A lot of people have resorted to buying a soundbar to improve the clarity. I'm relieved it's not just us, to be honest. Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. So it's not just the deaf and ageing! Eh? A week ago my ten-year-old set stopped working and so I had to buy a new one. I had done a lot of homework on what the strengths and weaknesses of the modern sets were and I was particularly worried by what I'd read about the poor sound quality. I don't hear sibilants too well and when I guess what has been said it can get quite hilarious as well as frustrating - fortunately my wife is often there to "translate" for me. I was of the generation that indulged in hi-fi back in the '60s (in fact I ran, part-time, a semi-professional sound recording company back in the '60s and 70s) and, with my old set, I could plug it in to my current hi-fi system to improve the sound, but one program (University Challenge) I found always had distorted sound, presumably because it was recorded with poor sound equipment in the first place. Well, I wasn't *quite* ready to go out and buy a new set but was now in a position where I had to. After doing a lot more research I finally decided on a Samsung Smart TV. I thought that, if the sound is poor, I can still plug it into the hi-fi. When it arrived, imagine my disappointment when I found it wasn't possible to do that. Yes, there was a sound output but it was digital and my hi-fi is too old to accept that! However, all's well that ends well because the sound from the new Samsung is superb and I don't need a separate set of speakers. It's even better than my old Sony CRT set. The picture's pretty good, too, especially in HD. If you use a set top box for HD, something like my Freesat Humax 1TB recorder, they have normal sound outputs on them. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 Bob Hobden wrote:
"David Rance" wrote ... .. .. .. .. Well, I wasn't *quite* ready to go out and buy a new set but was now in a position where I had to. After doing a lot more research I finally decided on a Samsung Smart TV. I thought that, if the sound is poor, I can still plug it into the hi-fi. When it arrived, imagine my disappointment when I found it wasn't possible to do that. Yes, there was a sound output but it was digital and my hi-fi is too old to accept that! However, all's well that ends well because the sound from the new Samsung is superb and I don't need a separate set of speakers. It's even better than my old Sony CRT set. The picture's pretty good, too, especially in HD. If you use a set top box for HD, something like my Freesat Humax 1TB recorder, they have normal sound outputs on them. I have used a set-top box since digital transmissions started. It wouldn't be a good idea to use it in conjunction with the new Samsung because the decoded signal becomes available at different rates and there would be syncing problems. Anyway, as I said above, I don't need to. The sound on the Samsung is excellent. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... I was both heartened and disheartened this morning when Ray read a piece out of the DT to me. Apparently, it is officially acknowledged (not just us moaning to each other!) that while they look great and the vision's wonderful, flat-screen tvs produce really terrible sound. A lot of people have resorted to buying a soundbar to improve the clarity. I'm relieved it's not just us, to be honest. Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. So it's not just the deaf and ageing! Eh? -- Dunno. I still have a fat one and it's perfect ;-) Tina |
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Sacha wrote:
Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. There's a new problem (a family friend is in the audio production business in New York City, U.S.): With all the digital technology about, it's not unusual for sound channels to not be properly synchronized, giving rise to new and exciting forms of distortion, not to mention balance problems. I've noticed background sound louder than the dialog, and I don't think it's _entirely_ my aging ears! Call the Midwife is seen here too, and we're now eagerly awaiting the new season! -- Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/4 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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On 2013-02-14 21:18:17 +0000, Christina Websell said:
"Sacha" wrote in message ... I was both heartened and disheartened this morning when Ray read a piece out of the DT to me. Apparently, it is officially acknowledged (not just us moaning to each other!) that while they look great and the vision's wonderful, flat-screen tvs produce really terrible sound. A lot of people have resorted to buying a soundbar to improve the clarity. I'm relieved it's not just us, to be honest. Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. So it's not just the deaf and ageing! Eh? -- Dunno. I still have a fat one and it's perfect ;-) Tina We'd still have ours if it hadn't developed a broad green streak down one side which made stage left actors look as if they came from Mars. It was getting on for 20 years old, so it had done pretty well. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:08:59 +0000, David Rance
wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 Bob Hobden wrote: "David Rance" wrote ... . . . . Well, I wasn't *quite* ready to go out and buy a new set but was now in a position where I had to. After doing a lot more research I finally decided on a Samsung Smart TV. I thought that, if the sound is poor, I can still plug it into the hi-fi. When it arrived, imagine my disappointment when I found it wasn't possible to do that. Yes, there was a sound output but it was digital and my hi-fi is too old to accept that! However, all's well that ends well because the sound from the new Samsung is superb and I don't need a separate set of speakers. It's even better than my old Sony CRT set. The picture's pretty good, too, especially in HD. If you use a set top box for HD, something like my Freesat Humax 1TB recorder, they have normal sound outputs on them. I have used a set-top box since digital transmissions started. It wouldn't be a good idea to use it in conjunction with the new Samsung because the decoded signal becomes available at different rates and there would be syncing problems. Anyway, as I said above, I don't need to. The sound on the Samsung is excellent. David We had a Sony Bravia in the lounge. Sound OK but the picture was crap. We relocated it to the breakfast room (OK for breakfast TV) and bought an LG plasma TV. About 3 months later we recovered a load of floor space, and cut down on dusting, by boxing up and flogging the hi-fi separates collection. As CDs have replaced vinyl (which replaced 78s) and the sound has deteriorated as a result, we find that the speakers on the telly (OK it's a biggie so we have separation) produce just as good a sound as the old bulky hi-fi setup did. It's a case of do your research properly. Our TV not only has different video modes but also different audio ones. All touch of the button stuff so we can swap easily from film soundtrack to orchestral CD. The BluRay player doubles up as a CD player quite happily. Cheers, Jake ======================================= Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay where sometimes it's raining and sometimes it's not. |
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writes On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:45:33 -0000, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message ... I was both heartened and disheartened this morning when Ray read a piece out of the DT to me. Apparently, it is officially acknowledged (not just us moaning to each other!) that while they look great and the vision's wonderful, flat-screen tvs produce really terrible sound. A lot of people have resorted to buying a soundbar to improve the clarity. I'm relieved it's not just us, to be honest. Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. So it's not just the deaf and ageing! Eh? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk Uh! you've think you've got problems? I have a cataract on one eye and I'm paying for Sky+HD !! You can have the cataract problem fixed. You can cancel the HD part of Sky+. (We did, now that our eyes can't tell the difference.) -- Simon 12) The Second Rule of Expectations An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment. |
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On 2013-02-14 18:45:33 +0000, Bill Grey said:
"Sacha" wrote in message ... I was both heartened and disheartened this morning when Ray read a piece out of the DT to me. Apparently, it is officially acknowledged (not just us moaning to each other!) that while they look great and the vision's wonderful, flat-screen tvs produce really terrible sound. A lot of people have resorted to buying a soundbar to improve the clarity. I'm relieved it's not just us, to be honest. Watching Call The Midwife the other night, we lost several seconds of dialogue because of the blasted music and the blurred dialogue. So it's not just the deaf and ageing! Eh? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk Uh! you've think you've got problems? I have a cataract on one eye and I'm paying for Sky+HD !! Bill Oh dear! Can the cataract be dealt with? Friends of ours have had them done and were astonished at the success. I hope something can be done about yours, too. We have the minimal Sky account. But when someone makes a tv that cuts out music soundtrack during speech, I hope someone will tell us! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:55:24 +0000, Bob Hobden wrote:
If you use a set top box for HD, something like my Freesat Humax 1TB recorder, they have normal sound outputs on them. Yes we have a Humax too, although sadly with a smaller disk. It plugs directly into the stereo system. -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:04:34 +0100, Martin wrote:
On 15 Feb 2013 11:12:25 GMT, Emery Davis wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:55:24 +0000, Bob Hobden wrote: If you use a set top box for HD, something like my Freesat Humax 1TB recorder, they have normal sound outputs on them. Yes we have a Humax too, although sadly with a smaller disk. but if it is the same model that I have, you can connect an external disk dive to it. I noticed that the 1TB model costs £75 more than the 500GB model that I bought 6 months ago. The difference in price is more than enough to buy a 1TB external disk drive. Yes, I have an external drive attached to it. But the copy speed is sooooo slooooow that it's very difficult to use. I've had my daughter copy all her star treks, Dr whos and sitcoms, but to copy a single HD Who takes around 10 minutes. I have no idea why the USB should be so slow, maybe a really ancient linux distribution. I don't think I've succeeded in getting it to record to the external drive, have you? -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
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Martin wrote in
: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:59:11 +0000, The Original Jake wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:08:59 +0000, David Rance wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 Bob Hobden wrote: "David Rance" wrote ... . . . . Well, I wasn't *quite* ready to go out and buy a new set but was now in a position where I had to. After doing a lot more research I finally decided on a Samsung Smart TV. I thought that, if the sound is poor, I can still plug it into the hi-fi. When it arrived, imagine my disappointment when I found it wasn't possible to do that. Yes, there was a sound output but it was digital and my hi-fi is too old to accept that! However, all's well that ends well because the sound from the new Samsung is superb and I don't need a separate set of speakers. It's even better than my old Sony CRT set. The picture's pretty good, too, especially in HD. If you use a set top box for HD, something like my Freesat Humax 1TB recorder, they have normal sound outputs on them. I have used a set-top box since digital transmissions started. It wouldn't be a good idea to use it in conjunction with the new Samsung because the decoded signal becomes available at different rates and there would be syncing problems. Anyway, as I said above, I don't need to. The sound on the Samsung is excellent. David We had a Sony Bravia in the lounge. Sound OK but the picture was crap. We relocated it to the breakfast room (OK for breakfast TV) and bought an LG plasma TV. About 3 months later we recovered a load of floor space, and cut down on dusting, by boxing up and flogging the hi-fi separates collection. As CDs have replaced vinyl (which replaced 78s) and the sound has deteriorated as a result, we find that the speakers on the telly (OK it's a biggie so we have separation) produce just as good a sound as the old bulky hi-fi setup did. It's a case of do your research properly. Our TV not only has different video modes but also different audio ones. All touch of the button stuff so we can swap easily from film soundtrack to orchestral CD. The BluRay player doubles up as a CD player quite happily. and even a DVD. We have two Sony Bravias one is 32" and is 2.5 years old. The other is 38" and 1.5 years old. Both have excellent pictures, but poor sound. Modern Samsung and Sony TVs also allow different video and audio modes. A Samsung sound bar allows different audio modes too. Sometimes a firmware update/flash works. Stan |
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:36:47 +0100, Martin wrote:
It's a fairly trivial routine operation. The surgeon who did my cataracts 16 years ago had already done 4,000 cataract operations, when he did mine. The main risk is infection. Yep, its local anthestic a day hospital job in many parts of the less developed world. Do one eye, come back next week/month get the other eye done... I suspect this is a very basic "cure" popping out the old cloudy lens and popping in a rigid standard replacement. You then get glasses to "match" the new lenses to your eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if more advanced treatment allow for the replacement lens to be matched to the eye and be flexable so you still have variable focus. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 15/02/2013 20:32, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:36:47 +0100, Martin wrote: It's a fairly trivial routine operation. The surgeon who did my cataracts 16 years ago had already done 4,000 cataract operations, when he did mine. The main risk is infection. Yep, its local anthestic a day hospital job in many parts of the less developed world. Do one eye, come back next week/month get the other eye done... I suspect this is a very basic "cure" popping out the old cloudy lens and popping in a rigid standard replacement. You then get glasses to "match" the new lenses to your eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if more advanced treatment allow for the replacement lens to be matched to the eye and be flexable so you still have variable focus. I think you want to update your facts. In many the ophthalmic departments of many UK hospitals they are doing Cataract operations as a day surgery procedure/ You say about about the replacement lens being matched to the eye, I'm not sure what you mean by this, if you are referring to eye colour then there is no matching to do as the lens is clear, all the colour of the eye is in the Iris. You might find this of interest http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Catarac...roduction.aspx David @ the drought stricken end of Swansea Bay where we have now been without rain for almost 2 days. |
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:58:26 +0000, David Hill
wrote: David @ the drought stricken end of Swansea Bay where we have now been without rain for almost 2 days. Three at this end. The standing water on top of the ground is now looking positively parched! Cheers, Jake ======================================= Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay where sometimes it's raining and sometimes it's not. |
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"The Original Jake" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:58:26 +0000, David Hill wrote: David @ the drought stricken end of Swansea Bay where we have now been without rain for almost 2 days. Three at this end. The standing water on top of the ground is now looking positively parched! Cheers, Jake ======================================= Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay where sometimes it's raining and sometimes it's not. Hosepipe ban on the horizon? Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:36:47 +0100, Martin wrote: It's a fairly trivial routine operation. The surgeon who did my cataracts 16 years ago had already done 4,000 cataract operations, when he did mine. The main risk is infection. Yep, its local anthestic a day hospital job in many parts of the less developed world. Do one eye, come back next week/month get the other eye done... I suspect this is a very basic "cure" popping out the old cloudy lens and popping in a rigid standard replacement. You then get glasses to "match" the new lenses to your eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if more advanced treatment allow for the replacement lens to be matched to the eye and be flexable so you still have variable focus. I was told last summer when I went for my regular eye check-up that I was developing cataracts and that I would probably need to have an operation within five years. The ophthalmologist said that lenses can now be fitted to compensate for long/short sightedness and that I wouldn't need to have glasses any more. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 Martin wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:14:11 +0000, David Rance wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 Dave Liquorice wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:36:47 +0100, Martin wrote: It's a fairly trivial routine operation. The surgeon who did my cataracts 16 years ago had already done 4,000 cataract operations, when he did mine. The main risk is infection. Yep, its local anthestic a day hospital job in many parts of the less developed world. Do one eye, come back next week/month get the other eye done... I suspect this is a very basic "cure" popping out the old cloudy lens and popping in a rigid standard replacement. You then get glasses to "match" the new lenses to your eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if more advanced treatment allow for the replacement lens to be matched to the eye and be flexable so you still have variable focus. I was told last summer when I went for my regular eye check-up that I was developing cataracts and that I would probably need to have an operation within five years. The ophthalmologist said that lenses can now be fitted to compensate for long/short sightedness and that I wouldn't need to have glasses any more. The rate it develops varies. Both my cataracts took less than six months to fully develop. You will probably need reading glasses afterwards. I already have varifocal reading glasses (mid-distance and close). Tried varifocal to include distance but didn't realise that, when driving, I tend to hold my head up - so the road ahead suddenly became out of focus! I'm hoping that it'll be longer than five years. After all, I can't tell yet that I'm developing cataracts. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:58:26 +0000, David Hill wrote:
You say about about the replacement lens being matched to the eye, I'm not sure what you mean by this, Eyes are different sizes thus have differnt focal lengths. Mine a wrong full stop as I'm shortsighted. But if they swapped the lenses in my eyes they could fit ones matched to the focal length of my eyes and I may not need to war glasses all the time. ... if you are referring to eye colour then there is no matching to do as the lens is clear, all the colour of the eye is in the Iris. well deeeerrr... You might find this of interest http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Catarac...roduction.aspx Good grief dumbed down to the level of a 6 year old. But only says what I said, it was the third world cateract operation I decribed not a whizzo first world one. But the basics are the same and I was right about rigid fixed focus (monofocal) or flexable (accomodating) lenses. I can't get me head around how the multifocal lenses work. I wear varifocal and look through the bottom of them for close work, but I'm still looking through the center of my eyes lens. How can you look through a different part of your own eyes lens? Or do you still look ahead but make your brain concentrate on the lower in focus part of the whole image you see? -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 16/02/2013 10:59, Janet wrote:
In article , lid says... English city where the average reading age is 7. Where would that be? With a reference please Janet Somewhere near the 7 bridge? |
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nurseries.co.uk says... On 16/02/2013 10:59, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... English city where the average reading age is 7. Where would that be? With a reference please Janet Somewhere near the 7 bridge? Under it, more like. I've never heard of an adult population having their reading ages tested/recorded. Janet. |
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:44 -0000, Janet wrote:
English city where the average reading age is 7. Where would that be? With a reference please Somewhere near the 7 bridge? Under it, more like. I've never heard of an adult population having their reading ages tested/recorded. Some one "clever" probably did a survey of 50 adults on a council sink estate and extrapolated the results to cover the whole city. Having said that a google produces many hits which state the UK average reading age is around 8 or 9. B-( -- Cheers Dave. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:44 -0000, Janet wrote: English city where the average reading age is 7. Where would that be? With a reference please Somewhere near the 7 bridge? Under it, more like. I've never heard of an adult population having their reading ages tested/recorded. Some one "clever" probably did a survey of 50 adults on a council sink estate and extrapolated the results to cover the whole city. Having said that a google produces many hits which state the UK average reading age is around 8 or 9. B-( -- Cheers Dave. That would be the readers of the Daily Mail wouldn't it? Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:44 -0000, Janet wrote: English city where the average reading age is 7. Where would that be? With a reference please Somewhere near the 7 bridge? Under it, more like. I've never heard of an adult population having their reading ages tested/recorded. Some one "clever" probably did a survey of 50 adults on a council sink estate and extrapolated the results to cover the whole city. Having said that a google produces many hits which state the UK average reading age is around 8 or 9. What? Not for my family. |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:32:16 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:36:47 +0100, Martin wrote: It's a fairly trivial routine operation. The surgeon who did my cataracts 16 years ago had already done 4,000 cataract operations, when he did mine. The main risk is infection. Yep, its local anthestic a day hospital job in many parts of the less developed world. Normally local anaesthetic everywhere, unless you have a very long eyeball in which case total anaesthetic is used. It's about a half day job even with total anaesthetic.They want you out of the hospital before you can catch an infection. Do one eye, come back next week/month get the other eye done... I suspect this is a very basic "cure" popping out the old cloudy lens and popping in a rigid standard replacement. The replacement lens is flexible it is rolled into a cylinder before being inserted into the eye through a 2-3mm slit just above the iris. You then get glasses to "match" the new lenses to your eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if more advanced treatment allow for the replacement lens to be matched to the eye and be flexable so you still have variable focus. Replacement lenses are matched to the eye, but are not variable focus. Have you had this operation yourself? |
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On 17/02/2013 00:56, Christina Websell wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:44 -0000, Janet wrote: English city where the average reading age is 7. Where would that be? With a reference please Somewhere near the 7 bridge? Under it, more like. I've never heard of an adult population having their reading ages tested/recorded. Some one "clever" probably did a survey of 50 adults on a council sink estate and extrapolated the results to cover the whole city. Having said that a google produces many hits which state the UK average reading age is around 8 or 9. What? Not for my family. Perhaps you are having difficulty with reading and understanding mathematical concepts. UK average implies a national average. Some will be higher some lower. By being higher you cannot drag the lowest or the average up to your level. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jan/24/books.politics "Up to 16 million adults - nearly half the workforce - are holding down jobs despite having the reading and writing skills expected of children leaving primary school, a new report reveals today. MPs on the Commons Public Accounts Committee claim that a major government scheme costing billions of pounds has done little to improve the quality of adult literacy and numeracy teaching. The Department for Education is on course to have spent almost £6bn on its Skills for Life scheme by 2010, but its first few years have produced little evidence of improvement in provision in colleges or on-the-job training by employers." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3641634.stm (from 2004) "A scientist at Bath University looked at pages about diabetes on 15 internet health sites run mainly by charities and official bodies. He found people would need a reading ability of an educated 11 to 17-year-old to understand the sites. However, he said the average reading age of people in the UK was equivalent to an educated nine-year-old." -- Phil Cook |
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"Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 17/02/2013 00:56, Christina Websell wrote: "Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:44 -0000, Janet wrote: English city where the average reading age is 7. Where would that be? With a reference please Somewhere near the 7 bridge? Under it, more like. I've never heard of an adult population having their reading ages tested/recorded. Some one "clever" probably did a survey of 50 adults on a council sink estate and extrapolated the results to cover the whole city. Having said that a google produces many hits which state the UK average reading age is around 8 or 9. What? Not for my family. Perhaps you are having difficulty with reading and understanding mathematical concepts. UK average implies a national average. Some will be higher some lower. By being higher you cannot drag the lowest or the average up to your level. improve the quality of adult literacy and numeracy teaching. Maybe we were just lucky to be intelligent or maybe our parents made us go to school and NOT let us duck out. |
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lid says... On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:04:08 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:44 -0000, Janet wrote: English city where the average reading age is 7. Where would that be? With a reference please Somewhere near the 7 bridge? Under it, more like. I've never heard of an adult population having their reading ages tested/recorded. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Some one "clever" probably did a survey of 50 adults on a council sink estate and extrapolated the results to cover the whole city. Having said that a google produces many hits which state the UK average reading age is around 8 or 9. B-( Which makes an average reading age of 7 plausible. Only if you think every internet repetition of false information makes it true. http://www.pitsnpots.co.uk/2010/05/w...oblem-locally/ "Councillors had a meeting yesterday with Alan Turley from the LSP giving an update on progress in a number of areas. He revealed that 50,000 adults in Stoke-on-Trent are functionally illiterate (literacy or numeracy). [20% of the population] Which means that 80 % ARE functionally literate therefore have a reading age above "reading age 8/9" Janet |
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Janet wrote: In article , says... Having said that a google produces many hits which state the UK average reading age is around 8 or 9. B-( Which makes an average reading age of 7 plausible. Only if you think every internet repetition of false information makes it true. Or you choose suitable interpretations of the word 'average'. He revealed that 50,000 adults in Stoke-on-Trent are functionally illiterate (literacy or numeracy). [20% of the population] Which means that 80 % ARE functionally literate therefore have a reading age above "reading age 8/9" God help us all :-( Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 17/02/2013 02:31, Christina Websell wrote:
"Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 17/02/2013 00:56, Christina Websell wrote: "Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... Having said that a google produces many hits which state the UK average reading age is around 8 or 9. What? Not for my family. By being higher you cannot drag the lowest or the average up to your level. Maybe we were just lucky to be intelligent or maybe our parents made us go to school and NOT let us duck out. Yes, it used to be a constant source of amazement to me how dim some folk are. Once I left the ivory towers of academia I faffed and wasted and now work at a post some way below my education. I suppose after 20 years I am now used to it, that and the fact that some folk seem to have no work ethic whatsoever. -- Phil Cook |
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Chris Hogg wrote: On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:43:10 -0000, Janet wrote: In article , says... The average reading age of 7 comes from an NHS induction course for new staff. Refuted here http://bel-epa.com/notes/Ginger/PPIG...eading-age.xml It's all elementary statistics - note the quote from Sir Claus Moser, who knows how to express statistics accurately and comprehensibly. The BEL-EPA 'Home Page' makes interesting reading: The Bureau of Earth Liaison was established under the Developing Planetary Systems Initiative (DPSI) in order to promote and maintain interaction between the peoples of Earth and the wider community. Q: Is there any evidence of intelligence on Earth? A: No, I'm only visiting. The thing that is horrific is that the official scales stop at a level that is below that many of the postings on this group and, even then, only 44% of the adult population achieve it. On that scale, to be able to read anything that contains real information about politics, economics, or pretty well anything else needs a level 7 or more. Which is why the UK population is so ignorant, and so vulnerable to manipulation by the Murdochs, Daily Wail and other demagogues. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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writes After doing a lot more research I finally decided on a Samsung Smart TV. I thought that, if the sound is poor, I can still plug it into the hi-fi. When it arrived, imagine my disappointment when I found it wasn't possible to do that. Yes, there was a sound output but it was digital and my hi-fi is too old to accept that! However, all's well that ends well because the sound from the new Samsung is superb and I don't need a separate set of speakers. It's even better than my old Sony CRT set. The picture's pretty good, too, especially in HD. We recently got the Samsung Smart 7000 series - and I must admit, the sound seems fine to me - certainly, better than our old Panasonic which in itself wasn't too bad. However, we've still indulged in a Sammie sound bar and wireless sub woofer. Need to be careful where you place it - the old china cabinet can get a bit rattled. As far as I'm concerned, with the sound bar set up and a blu-ray player with hard disk, its good enough to get rid of all the 'old' hi fi equipment (DVD/CD, radios, amp, hard disk and speakers). And being able to get content via the home network from the pcs and laptops is pretty neat too. (Veering even further OT - I did find some TV downloaded content was a bit slow over the wireless (its a fair distance from the router). So I bought a pair of 'ethernet over power' plugs - one to the router and one to the tv - and now the connection from router to TV is fantastic. I've always been a bit suspicuous of these devices, but for this at least, they work brilliantly). -- regards andyw |
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Dave Hill wrote:
I think you want to update your facts. In many the ophthalmic departments of many UK hospitals they are doing Cataract operations as a day surgery procedure/ You say about about the replacement lens being matched to the eye, I'm not sure what you mean by this, if you are referring to eye colour then there is no matching to do as the lens is clear, all the colour of the eye is in the Iris. I have to take steroids and they can cause early onset cataracts, which in my case developed very quickly. I was very long-sighted as well, so I had reached the point where I could hardly see a thing without super-strong lenses. Driving at night became impossible because of the glare and it was very difficult to make out floral details when trying to identify plants. I had both eyes 'done', one in September '11 and the other January '12 and in both cases I was in, out and back home in less than 3 hours. The operation itself takes little more than 20 minutes and is completely painless. My implants were prescription lenses to offset the long-sightedness and my 'new eyes' are almost as good now as they were 40 years ago. No more glasses for me ... apart from those that need filling with a good Rioja ;-) |
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On 2013-02-18 14:09:10 +0000, said:
In article , Chris Hogg wrote: On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:43:10 -0000, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... The average reading age of 7 comes from an NHS induction course for new staff. Refuted here http://bel-epa.com/notes/Ginger/PPIG...eading-age.xml It's all elementary statistics - note the quote from Sir Claus Moser, who knows how to express statistics accurately and comprehensibly. The BEL-EPA 'Home Page' makes interesting reading: The Bureau of Earth Liaison was established under the Developing Planetary Systems Initiative (DPSI) in order to promote and maintain interaction between the peoples of Earth and the wider community. Q: Is there any evidence of intelligence on Earth? A: No, I'm only visiting. This makes me think of the person who asked Mahatma Gandhi what he thought of western civilisation. He said he thought it would be an excellent idea. ;-) The thing that is horrific is that the official scales stop at a level that is below that many of the postings on this group and, even then, only 44% of the adult population achieve it. On that scale, to be able to read anything that contains real information about politics, economics, or pretty well anything else needs a level 7 or more. Which is why the UK population is so ignorant, and so vulnerable to manipulation by the Murdochs, Daily Wail and other demagogues. Regards, Nick Maclaren. I read the Daily Mail every day, salt cellar in hand. And I know quite a few others here do, too. I also read the Daily Telegraph, the Mid Devon Advertiser, the Totnes Times, Country Life and The Lady (unexpectedly excellent magazine now, for those who haven't seen it in years) The Oldie and if totally desperate Aircraft. It's a big Shavian-style mistake to judge people on the papers they read. I'm sure you and others, have been open to manipulation in your time. Most of us have, even if we didn't recognise it as such when it was happening. What amuses me is the number of people who inveigh against the DM but who must, surely, read it to be so confident in their opinions? ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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