In article ,
Spider wrote:

Read that helpful link from David Hill again, especially the 4th
paragraph/question-and-answer. Your neighbours need to repoint the
south face of their house (and perhaps the west, too, since that will
also be warm and inviting) so that the bees go elsewhere for soft
mortar. It is the only way to discourage the bees.

They're tenants.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 05/05/2013 14:32, wrote:
In ,
wrote:

Read that helpful link from David Hill again, especially the 4th
paragraph/question-and-answer. Your neighbours need to repoint the
south face of their house (and perhaps the west, too, since that will
also be warm and inviting) so that the bees go elsewhere for soft
mortar. It is the only way to discourage the bees.

They're tenants.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.




Indeed. I agree with you and would love them around my house, but if
the OP's neighbours *really* want to evict them for child safety
reasons, then re-pointing is the way to do it. It beats poisoning,
which may be the other deadly deed.

When I was little, I was taught and encouraged by my father to respect
our natural fauna and understand them as far as possible. I *love*
bees, including Masonry bees. Just as well since we have soft mortar.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

In article ,
Spider wrote:

Indeed. I agree with you and would love them around my house, but if
the OP's neighbours *really* want to evict them for child safety
reasons, then re-pointing is the way to do it. It beats poisoning,
which may be the other deadly deed.

My point is that there are no such child safety reasons, unless one
of their children is hyperallegic (and not just allergic) to bee
stings. They may believe that there are but, if so, they are quite
simply wrong. Bluntly, that is hysteria caused by ignorance.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Sun, 5 May 2013 15:36:49 +0100 (BST), wrote:

My point is that there are no such child safety reasons, unless one
of their children is hyperallegic (and not just allergic) to bee
stings. They may believe that there are but, if so, they are quite
simply wrong. Bluntly, that is hysteria caused by ignorance.

I agree but knowing hysterical some children (and adults) get in the
precense of an essentially harmless creepy crawly the child safety reason
is that hysteria.

Education is the best thing. Bees in general don't sting unless provoked.
Like getting trapped and about to be squidged. How many are getting into
the bedrooms could be an issue, I'd get fed up having to evict half a
dozen every evening...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 2013-05-05 13:55:11 +0100, Spider said:

On 05/05/2013 14:32, wrote:
In ,
wrote:

Read that helpful link from David Hill again, especially the 4th
paragraph/question-and-answer. Your neighbours need to repoint the
south face of their house (and perhaps the west, too, since that will
also be warm and inviting) so that the bees go elsewhere for soft
mortar. It is the only way to discourage the bees.

They're tenants.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.




Indeed. I agree with you and would love them around my house, but if
the OP's neighbours *really* want to evict them for child safety
reasons, then re-pointing is the way to do it. It beats poisoning,
which may be the other deadly deed.

When I was little, I was taught and encouraged by my father to respect
our natural fauna and understand them as far as possible. I *love*
bees, including Masonry bees. Just as well since we have soft mortar.

I think Nick Maclaren means the cottage's human occupants are tenants,
so they won't be prepared - or perhaps, allowed - to undertake such a
course of action as re-pointing. Nick-the-owner might be able to do so
in late summer or autumn and prevent future worries and fears. Until
then, I think the best idea is education as to what bees actually do.
They are usually pretty docile creatures, uninterested in pursuing
humans for fun! They won't sting unless seriously provoked. The
children could - and should in any case - be taught to wear shoes when
running round the garden and to be calm when walking through the 'bee
area'. Standing in front of the bees' homes and flapping arms about
etc. is asking for trouble whether they're in a wall or a hive.
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Sun, 5 May 2013 15:05:46 +0100, Sacha wrote:

The children could - and should in any case - be taught to wear shoes
when running round the garden ...

Aye, I expect they will be jabbed up against Tetantus but Cellulitis is
not very pleasant(*) and can be life threatening.

... and to be calm when walking through the 'bee area'. Standing in
front of the bees' homes and flapping arms about etc. is asking for
trouble whether they're in a wall or a hive.

Aye.

(*) Understatement. It is flaming agony, I dread to think how a child
would react to the constant worst pins and needles you can imagine.

I've had it twice and been hospitalised so they can intravenously shove
in, every 4 hours (and I mean every fours hours, even through the night)
high enough doses of antibiotics. 1 g of penicillin I remember but there
were similar quantities of others, flucloxacillin being one of them.
"Normal" doses are around the is 250 mg 4 times/day (6 hour) level.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 2013-05-05 15:34:51 +0100, Dave Liquorice said:

On Sun, 5 May 2013 15:05:46 +0100, Sacha wrote:

The children could - and should in any case - be taught to wear shoes
when running round the garden ...

Aye, I expect they will be jabbed up against Tetantus but Cellulitis is
not very pleasant(*) and can be life threatening.

... and to be calm when walking through the 'bee area'. Standing in
front of the bees' homes and flapping arms about etc. is asking for
trouble whether they're in a wall or a hive.

Aye.

(*) Understatement. It is flaming agony, I dread to think how a child
would react to the constant worst pins and needles you can imagine.

I've had it twice and been hospitalised so they can intravenously shove
in, every 4 hours (and I mean every fours hours, even through the night)
high enough doses of antibiotics. 1 g of penicillin I remember but there
were similar quantities of others, flucloxacillin being one of them.
"Normal" doses are around the is 250 mg 4 times/day (6 hour) level.

I'm very allergic, so I'm not unsympathetic. But the first 'rule' for
children really should be not to run about in bare feet, especially on
a lawn with clover in it, or indeed, any flowers. And being calm around
the bees is important. I swell up like a zeppelin if stung and have
been warned not to get stung again. It hasn't been an ambition of mine
to try it out!!
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 5 May 2013 15:05:46 +0100, Sacha wrote:

The children could - and should in any case - be taught to wear shoes
when running round the garden ...

Aye, I expect they will be jabbed up against Tetantus but Cellulitis is
not very pleasant(*) and can be life threatening.

I strongly disagree. Such problems are as likely to be caused by
any other accident and, arguably, are more likely in people who
have not had their immune system properly challenged as children.
It is only within my lifetime that shoes have become more-or-less
mandatory for children even in the UK. They should be taught to
wear them when necessary which, for children who regularly go
barefoot, does not mean in a well-kempt garden[*]. There is
also the problem that people who never go barefoot are far MORE
likely to injure their feet on the beach, because they are not
accustomed to avoiding problems.

... and to be calm when walking through the 'bee area'. Standing in
front of the bees' homes and flapping arms about etc. is asking for
trouble whether they're in a wall or a hive.

Aye.

(*) Understatement. It is flaming agony, I dread to think how a child
would react to the constant worst pins and needles you can imagine.

I strongly agree with that. I have a couple of times had bee
swarms blocking my only feasible route, and have walked slowly
through them. Some of the bees bumped into me, but regarded me
as some sort of mobile tree stump.
[*] By which I mean free of broken glass, rusty metal and other
such dangers to bare feet. Regrettably, it does include the
branches of some thorny plants, but I carefully remove those as
I don't like thorns in even my horny soles! I had a strict rule
that the only person who was allowed to clean up broken glass
barefoot was me - and showed them why!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 2013-05-05 19:06:23 +0100, said:

In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 5 May 2013 15:05:46 +0100, Sacha wrote:

The children could - and should in any case - be taught to wear shoes
when running round the garden ...

Aye, I expect they will be jabbed up against Tetantus but Cellulitis is
not very pleasant(*) and can be life threatening.

I strongly disagree. Such problems are as likely to be caused by
any other accident and, arguably, are more likely in people who
have not had their immune system properly challenged as children.
It is only within my lifetime that shoes have become more-or-less
mandatory for children even in the UK. They should be taught to
wear them when necessary which, for children who regularly go
barefoot, does not mean in a well-kempt garden[*]. There is
also the problem that people who never go barefoot are far MORE
likely to injure their feet on the beach, because they are not
accustomed to avoiding problems.

... and to be calm when walking through the 'bee area'. Standing in
front of the bees' homes and flapping arms about etc. is asking for
trouble whether they're in a wall or a hive.

Aye.

(*) Understatement. It is flaming agony, I dread to think how a child
would react to the constant worst pins and needles you can imagine.

I strongly agree with that. I have a couple of times had bee
swarms blocking my only feasible route, and have walked slowly
through them. Some of the bees bumped into me, but regarded me
as some sort of mobile tree stump.

[*] By which I mean free of broken glass, rusty metal and other
such dangers to bare feet. Regrettably, it does include the
branches of some thorny plants, but I carefully remove those as
I don't like thorns in even my horny soles! I had a strict rule
that the only person who was allowed to clean up broken glass
barefoot was me - and showed them why!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

It's well-known that swarming bees are much less likely to sting
because their particular objective is to gather round the queen. It's
their driving force at that time, so obstacles in their path are more
likely to be disregarded.
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It's well-known that swarming bees are much less likely to sting because
their particular objective is to gather round the queen. It's their
driving force at that time, so obstacles in their path are more likely
to be disregarded.

I am trying to picture a solitary bee swarming.

In article ,
Sacha wrote:

It's well-known that swarming bees are much less likely to sting
because their particular objective is to gather round the queen. It's
their driving force at that time, so obstacles in their path are more
likely to be disregarded.

Yes. There was a risk, but much less than driving to an airport.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , Sacha
writes

It's well-known that swarming bees are much less likely to sting
because their particular objective is to gather round the queen. It's
their driving force at that time, so obstacles in their path are more
likely to be disregarded.

And usually, they have gorged on honey prior to leaving the hive (if
managed bees) - which makes them much more laid back.

--
regards andyw

wrote:
I strongly disagree. Such problems are as likely to be caused by
any other accident and, arguably, are more likely in people who
have not had their immune system properly challenged as children.
It is only within my lifetime that shoes have become more-or-less
mandatory for children even in the UK. They should be taught to
wear them when necessary which, for children who regularly go
barefoot, does not mean in a well-kempt garden[*].

I got a thorn in my foot for the first time this weekend. :-(
Oddly, so did the little doggy next door.

On 05/05/2013 21:51, wrote:
wrote:
I strongly disagree. Such problems are as likely to be caused by
any other accident and, arguably, are more likely in people who
have not had their immune system properly challenged as children.
It is only within my lifetime that shoes have become more-or-less
mandatory for children even in the UK. They should be taught to
wear them when necessary which, for children who regularly go
barefoot, does not mean in a well-kempt garden[*].

I got a thorn in my foot for the first time this weekend. :-(
Oddly, so did the little doggy next door.


I won't even ask!

On 05/05/2013 15:34, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 5 May 2013 15:05:46 +0100, Sacha wrote:

The children could - and should in any case - be taught to wear shoes
when running round the garden ...

Aye, I expect they will be jabbed up against Tetantus but Cellulitis is
not very pleasant(*) and can be life threatening.

... and to be calm when walking through the 'bee area'. Standing in
front of the bees' homes and flapping arms about etc. is asking for
trouble whether they're in a wall or a hive.

Aye.

(*) Understatement. It is flaming agony, I dread to think how a child
would react to the constant worst pins and needles you can imagine.

I've had it twice and been hospitalised so they can intravenously shove
in, every 4 hours (and I mean every fours hours, even through the night)
high enough doses of antibiotics. 1 g of penicillin I remember but there
were similar quantities of others, flucloxacillin being one of them.
"Normal" doses are around the is 250 mg 4 times/day (6 hour) level.

Strange using anti Biotics for stings, it's usually Anti histamine and
adrenalin that they use.
I was hypersensitive to Wasps and underwent 2 prolonged de sensitisation
treatments, the last one lasted 32 weeks and was whole venom extract,
but it worked.
Aas for bees, I once rotovated close to 6 hives with a tractor
rotovator, they didn't like it, I had over 40 stings removed from my
head, that afternoon, next day I was back in work deeling a bit delacate.
Had that been wasps I would not have been here to write this, the
adrenalinI carried wouldn't have coped with that sort of dose.
David @ a now sunny end of Swansea Bay.