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Power of supermarkets
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Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , 'Mike' wrote: Sorry - mistaken attribution. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Your apology accepted Nick
Mike "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , 'Mike' wrote: Sorry - mistaken attribution. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 10:46:47 +0100, stuart noble
wrote: I remember a guy telling me that he invested heavily in machinery to fulfill an order from M&S. He would have been in clover had they repeated the order, but they didn't, and nor did anyone else A colleague had exactly the same problem with M&S. We stopped shopping there but what's the loss of a few customers matter? Steve -- EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 11:24:46 +0100, David Hill
wrote: How the hell did our parents and grand parents survive? By shopping more often at the small local shops. I went to the shop every morning before going to work. Steve -- EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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nurseries.co.uk says... On 01/09/2013 10:57, Janet wrote: In article , says... Not so long ago I told Ray that I'd read of a wholesale nursery going belly up. Today, he learned a bit more about it and said it was because it had a £3 million order from a supermarket chain which suddenly decided to halve that order. Then it said that if they potted the remaining order on, they might buy them. They didn't. Personally, I don't understand why anyone puts their entire future and livelihood into the hands of one customer. But neither do I understand the morals of a customer who will do that to a supplier. Why make it about morality? It's about business, what the supermarket can sell, to customers whose choices are led by the weather and the economy. If there's a late cold spring, down goes the demand for tender plug plants and GYO salad trays. When budgets are feeling the pinch paying bills and buying food, customers may spend less on hanging baskets or pots of bulbs in flower. It may be very lovely for you, a comfortably off non-working housewife with a car to spend more time during the day, and more money, shopping in small businesses. Don't you realise it's a luxury to have such means and opportunity, one denied to many working parents on a very tight budget. They need to shop outside working hours. How many small bakers, butchers and grocers stay open in the evening? Even if they did, what does a single working parent do with the tired children as s/he trails them a mile or two from shop to shop ? Carrying the shopping, because small shops don't have a great big car park, and trolleys with child seats. Janet. How the hell did our parents and grand parents survive? Because society was completely different. Nuclear families were less common; extended family at hand for looking after children. Divorce was rare; "single parenting by choice" almost unheard of, two employed parents rare. Few people had cars or fridges. Shops opened 9 to 6, closed at lunchtime and weekends; lots of them delivered. Janet |
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says... On 2013-09-01 10:57:41 +0100, Janet said: In article , says... Not so long ago I told Ray that I'd read of a wholesale nursery going belly up. Today, he learned a bit more about it and said it was because it had a £3 million order from a supermarket chain which suddenly decided to halve that order. Then it said that if they potted the remaining order on, they might buy them. They didn't. Personally, I don't understand why anyone puts their entire future and livelihood into the hands of one customer. But neither do I understand the morals of a customer who will do that to a supplier. Why make it about morality? It's about business, what the supermarket can sell, to customers whose choices are led by the weather and the economy. If there's a late cold spring, down goes the demand for tender plug plants and GYO salad trays. When budgets are feeling the pinch paying bills and buying food, customers may spend less on hanging baskets or pots of bulbs in flower. It may be very lovely for you, a comfortably off non-working housewife with a car to spend more time during the day, and more money, shopping in small businesses. Don't you realise it's a luxury to have such means and opportunity, one denied to many working parents on a very tight budget. They need to shop outside working hours. How many small bakers, butchers and grocers stay open in the evening? Even if they did, what does a single working parent do with the tired children as s/he trails them a mile or two from shop to shop ? Carrying the shopping, because small shops don't have a great big car park, and trolleys with child seats. Janet. What a lot of assumptions you do make, Janet. You know much less than you think about my life now, or in the past. I know what you just posted from that moral pedestal; "The more I hear of this sort of thing, the less inclined I am to use supermarkets and am minded to go back to the old days of shopping at small individual shops for every need, wherever possible. It's less convenient, it takes longer and it may well be a bit more expensive" Janet |
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Janet wrote: In article , says... What a lot of assumptions you do make, Janet. You know much less than you think about my life now, or in the past. I know what you just posted from that moral pedestal; "The more I hear of this sort of thing, the less inclined I am to use supermarkets and am minded to go back to the old days of shopping at small individual shops for every need, wherever possible. It's less convenient, it takes longer and it may well be a bit more expensive" Inter alia, you are making the assumption that is a moral pedestal. I might well have posted the first sentence (though not the second), and my grounds for doing so are not primarily moral. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Gary Woods wrote: Starting with supermarkets, but now in almost all areas of retail and 'service' (such as banks), we are no longer the customers but their commodities. I heard an interview with Phil Zimmerman, author of Pretty Good Privacy and net privacy guru. When asked about "free" services like Facebook, Gmail, etc., he said "If the commodity is free, YOU are the commodity." There's a lot of that going around on my side of the pond too....supermarket loyalty cards so they can tell what you're buying, sell the info to their suppliers, etc. It doesn't have to be free :-( All that is needed is an effective monopoly/cartel and a requirement to use their services, then your only function is as the resource to be exploited. To use what I think is an Americanism, they have us over a barrel and are seeing how far they can push the broom handle. The trouble is that the English are so damn docile, and they dominate the UK! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 2013-09-01 14:46:09 +0100, Janet said:
In article , says... On 2013-09-01 10:57:41 +0100, Janet said: In article , says... Not so long ago I told Ray that I'd read of a wholesale nursery going belly up. Today, he learned a bit more about it and said it was because it had a £3 million order from a supermarket chain which suddenly decided to halve that order. Then it said that if they potted the remaining order on, they might buy them. They didn't. Personally, I don't understand why anyone puts their entire future and livelihood into the hands of one customer. But neither do I understand the morals of a customer who will do that to a supplier. Why make it about morality? It's about business, what the supermarket can sell, to customers whose choices are led by the weather and the economy. If there's a late cold spring, down goes the demand for tender plug plants and GYO salad trays. When budgets are feeling the pinch paying bills and buying food, customers may spend less on hanging baskets or pots of bulbs in flower. It may be very lovely for you, a comfortably off non-working housewife with a car to spend more time during the day, and more money, shopping in small businesses. Don't you realise it's a luxury to have such means and opportunity, one denied to many working parents on a very tight budget. They need to shop outside working hours. How many small bakers, butchers and grocers stay open in the evening? Even if they did, what does a single working parent do with the tired children as s/he trails them a mile or two from shop to shop ? Carrying the shopping, because small shops don't have a great big car park, and trolleys with child seats. Janet. What a lot of assumptions you do make, Janet. You know much less than you think about my life now, or in the past. I know what you just posted from that moral pedestal; "The more I hear of this sort of thing, the less inclined I am to use supermarkets and am minded to go back to the old days of shopping at small individual shops for every need, wherever possible. It's less convenient, it takes longer and it may well be a bit more expensive" Janet God forbid I should make my own choices about when, where and how to spend my money. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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The trouble is that the English are so damn docile, and they dominate the UK! Who the English or the Supermarkets? |
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I hate to interupt this cosy 2 way banter. but Janet please decide where
you stand. You said earlier " It may be very lovely for you, a comfortably off non-working housewife with a car to spend more time during the day, and more money, shopping in small businesses. Don't you realise it's a luxury to have such means and opportunity, one denied to many working parents on a very tight budget. They need to shop outside working hours. How many small bakers, butchers and grocers stay open in the evening? Even if they did, what does a single working parent do with the tired children as s/he trails them a mile or two from shop to shop ? Carrying the shopping, because small shops don't have a great big car park, and trolleys with child seats." You now say "The more I hear of this sort of thing, the less inclined I am to use supermarkets and am minded to go back to the old days of shopping at small individual shops for every need, wherever possible. It's less convenient, it takes longer and it may well be a bit more expensive" Janet So does that make you a comfortably off non-working housewife with a car to spend more time during the day, and more money, shopping in small businesses? |
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