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I post a joke,
Baz posts a question about Kilner jars and many more items are posted and almost instantly a group of Pedants jump on the topic and start a diatribe. For Gods sake people Lighten Up. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. |
What the hell is wrong with this group?
I post a joke,
Baz posts a question about Kilner jars and many more items are posted and almost instantly a group of Pedants jump on the topic and start a diatribe. For Gods sake people Lighten Up. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. Here here! I post less here these days due to it. Mike |
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"Muddymike" wrote in message om... I post a joke, Baz posts a question about Kilner jars and many more items are posted and almost instantly a group of Pedants jump on the topic and start a diatribe. For Gods sake people Lighten Up. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. Here here! I post less here these days due to it. Sadly this has become the disease of the whole of 'usenet'. It has become the home of kinks, kooks, scammers and trolls. UKSciWeather has lost most of its professional participants and is rapidly going down the drain. It does seem that moderated fora are the only way forward. Phil |
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David Hill wrote in news:b95jhdFtsjjU1
@mid.individual.net: I post a joke, Baz posts a question about Kilner jars and many more items are posted and almost instantly a group of Pedants jump on the topic and start a diatribe. For Gods sake people Lighten Up. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. And a very amusing joke. Well, it made me and my mates chuckle. Baz |
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It does
seem that moderated fora are the only way forward. I deplore the use of Latin plurals :-). Thought I'd better include the smiley...... |
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stuart noble wrote in news:8uhXt.32275
: It does seem that moderated fora are the only way forward. I deplore the use of Latin plurals :-). Thought I'd better include the smiley...... So is forums better? Or have I got the wrong end of the sticka? Baz |
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On 09/09/2013 12:24, Baz wrote:
stuart noble wrote in news:8uhXt.32275 : It does seem that moderated fora are the only way forward. I deplore the use of Latin plurals :-). Thought I'd better include the smiley...... So is forums better? Or have I got the wrong end of the sticka? Baz Nope, not gonna bite on that one. |
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On Monday 09 September 2013 12:24 Baz wrote in uk.rec.gardening:
stuart noble wrote in news:8uhXt.32275 : It does seem that moderated fora are the only way forward. I deplore the use of Latin plurals :-). Thought I'd better include the smiley...... So is forums better? Or have I got the wrong end of the sticka? Baz So why not take urg into moderated status? -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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On 2013-09-09 16:10:34 +0100, Tim Watts said:
On Monday 09 September 2013 12:24 Baz wrote in uk.rec.gardening: stuart noble wrote in news:8uhXt.32275 : It does seem that moderated fora are the only way forward. I deplore the use of Latin plurals :-). Thought I'd better include the smiley...... So is forums better? Or have I got the wrong end of the sticka? Baz So why not take urg into moderated status? Partly because not everyone welcomes that idea and partly because who would want to be moderator?! It's a bit of a thankless task. But if it were to be a moderated group, it might be better to start a new one, imo. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 10:43:10 +0100, David Hill
wrote: I post a joke, Baz posts a question about Kilner jars and many more items are posted and almost instantly a group of Pedants jump on the topic and start a diatribe. For Gods sake people Lighten Up. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. Nothing is really 'wrong' with this ng. Since the early days of Usenet participants have disagreed or been intolerant with one another. It is the nature of the medium. If one gets particularly upset with someone for whatever reason use a killfile. -- rbel |
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Sacha wrote:
But if it were to be a moderated group, it might be better to start a new one, imo. Moderated groups tend to be kind of sterile, which goes against what we gardeners hope for.... pointless arguments will always be with us* visit any pub in any country- and using your reader's "ignore thread" and killfile features helps a lot. IMHO, there's nothing wrong with this group. *See Cleese et al. -- Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/4 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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On 2013-09-09 17:47:35 +0100, Gary Woods said:
Sacha wrote: But if it were to be a moderated group, it might be better to start a new one, imo. Moderated groups tend to be kind of sterile, which goes against what we gardeners hope for.... pointless arguments will always be with us* visit any pub in any country- and using your reader's "ignore thread" and killfile features helps a lot. IMHO, there's nothing wrong with this group. *See Cleese et al. I agree. My own view is that this is a real treasure trove of information for gardening at every level and all of us can receive help and learn from others all the time. And I know there are people who lurk and don't post and they'd miss out in a moderated group. The persistent troll, or the occasional idiot that wanders in, don't detract from the overall value of urg, imo. But quibbles about spelling and grammar would be better left at the door, again imo only, of course. Plenty of people are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree and really should not be dissuaded from posting here because someone persists in objecting to errors. While sometimes it's necessary to correct the spelling of plant names for the sake of good information, the rest should be overlooked. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"David Hill" wrote
I post a joke, Baz posts a question about Kilner jars and many more items are posted and almost instantly a group of Pedants jump on the topic and start a diatribe. For Gods sake people Lighten Up. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. Yes I did notice that but it's happened since this Ng was founded. I myself got into some hot water years ago when I first subscribed and quickly learnt to be careful what I get sucked into. Gardening by it's very nature can have lots of correct answers for many questions so arguments do and will happen, one just has to accept that. Unfortunately, over the years, some knowledgeable members have gone from the Ng because they could not accept being told they were wrong, which is sad. None of us know it all or get it all correct and seldom a week goes by without me adding to my knowledge. Personally I think we are still OK here, unlike a lot of Usenet, and certainly still do share our collective extensive experience/knowledge with anyone that asks. Long may that continue. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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Sacha wrote in
: On 2013-09-09 17:47:35 +0100, Gary Woods said: Sacha wrote: But if it were to be a moderated group, it might be better to start a new one, imo. Moderated groups tend to be kind of sterile, which goes against what we gardeners hope for.... pointless arguments will always be with us* visit any pub in any country- and using your reader's "ignore thread" and killfile features helps a lot. IMHO, there's nothing wrong with this group. *See Cleese et al. I agree. My own view is that this is a real treasure trove of information for gardening at every level and all of us can receive help and learn from others all the time. And I know there are people who lurk and don't post and they'd miss out in a moderated group. The persistent troll, or the occasional idiot that wanders in, don't detract from the overall value of urg, imo. But quibbles about spelling and grammar would be better left at the door, again imo only, of course. Plenty of people are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree and really should not be dissuaded from posting here because someone persists in objecting to errors. While sometimes it's necessary to correct the spelling of plant names for the sake of good information, the rest should be overlooked. I agree. And I like your creative spelling of Dislexick.:-) Baz |
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stuart noble wrote in news:%2jXt.20893$kI.10236
@fx06.am4: On 09/09/2013 12:24, Baz wrote: stuart noble wrote in news:8uhXt.32275 : It does seem that moderated fora are the only way forward. I deplore the use of Latin plurals :-). Thought I'd better include the smiley...... So is forums better? Or have I got the wrong end of the sticka? Baz Nope, not gonna bite on that one. Don't blame yourself. Esto tutemet ipse. (?) Baz |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in
: Yes I did notice that but it's happened since this Ng was founded. I myself got into some hot water years ago when I first subscribed and quickly learnt to be careful what I get sucked into. Gardening by it's very nature can have lots of correct answers for many questions so arguments do and will happen, one just has to accept that. Unfortunately, over the years, some knowledgeable members have gone from the Ng because they could not accept being told they were wrong, which is sad. None of us know it all or get it all correct and seldom a week goes by without me adding to my knowledge. Personally I think we are still OK here, unlike a lot of Usenet, and certainly still do share our collective extensive experience/knowledge with anyone that asks. Long may that continue. Very well said. This group is very "OK" The likes of "steerpike" and "Mike" are a long long way ago. I know that I can be a pain in the arse, but I am sorting that out. Baz |
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On 2013-09-09 19:58:59 +0100, Baz said:
Sacha wrote in : On 2013-09-09 17:47:35 +0100, Gary Woods said: Sacha wrote: But if it were to be a moderated group, it might be better to start a new one, imo. Moderated groups tend to be kind of sterile, which goes against what we gardeners hope for.... pointless arguments will always be with us* visit any pub in any country- and using your reader's "ignore thread" and killfile features helps a lot. IMHO, there's nothing wrong with this group. *See Cleese et al. I agree. My own view is that this is a real treasure trove of information for gardening at every level and all of us can receive help and learn from others all the time. And I know there are people who lurk and don't post and they'd miss out in a moderated group. The persistent troll, or the occasional idiot that wanders in, don't detract from the overall value of urg, imo. But quibbles about spelling and grammar would be better left at the door, again imo only, of course. Plenty of people are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree and really should not be dissuaded from posting here because someone persists in objecting to errors. While sometimes it's necessary to correct the spelling of plant names for the sake of good information, the rest should be overlooked. I agree. And I like your creative spelling of Dislexick.:-) Baz KO. ;-) Several members of my wider family are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree but they're mostly rather clever, also to a greater or lesser degree! ;-) So I do know that it's no reflection upon intelligence or ability, though for some reason, I take the opposite side of the family coin, because words and their spellings easily stick in my head while I and maths are sworn enemies. Arithmetic, yes. Maths = me, screaming and running into the hills. What really pains me about the attitude to dyslexia is how easily - even now - people who suffer from it can be dismissed as 'not very bright'. I know, absolutely, that this is not the case, any more than someone who is colourblind isn't 'very bright'. Dyslexia is a particular trial for peope in horticulture. Not only are they trying to learn and write another language when naming plants, or writing their labels, they're trying to *remember* those names even without seeing them written down. I think it takes quite a degree of persistence to go through that and continue to battle with it throughout a career. Having had a lot of first hand experience of people with dyslexia, I admire those who deal with it daily very much -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 2013-09-09 20:26:53 +0100, Baz said:
"Bob Hobden" wrote in : Yes I did notice that but it's happened since this Ng was founded. I myself got into some hot water years ago when I first subscribed and quickly learnt to be careful what I get sucked into. Gardening by it's very nature can have lots of correct answers for many questions so arguments do and will happen, one just has to accept that. Unfortunately, over the years, some knowledgeable members have gone from the Ng because they could not accept being told they were wrong, which is sad. None of us know it all or get it all correct and seldom a week goes by without me adding to my knowledge. Personally I think we are still OK here, unlike a lot of Usenet, and certainly still do share our collective extensive experience/knowledge with anyone that asks. Long may that continue. Very well said. This group is very "OK" The likes of "steerpike" and "Mike" are a long long way ago. I know that I can be a pain in the arse, but I am sorting that out. Baz Baz, you're fine. Really. Baby steps. Nobody here is perfect. I should know. ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 10:43:10 +0100, David Hill wrote:
Baz posts a question about Kilner jars Which has had it's moments but I have found educational. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. Or a joke group. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 2013-09-09 22:48:30 +0100, Dave Liquorice said:
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 10:43:10 +0100, David Hill wrote: Baz posts a question about Kilner jars Which has had it's moments but I have found educational. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. Or a joke group. Oh come on - a few jokes among friends, eh? I should think we're almost famous for our puns here! ;-) And most of us here are friendly and some are friends irl. A little lightness of touch now and then does no harm and nothing has ever truly wrenched this group dangerously off topic, to my knowledge. A few days harmless nonsense doesn't deflect us that badly, do you think? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 09/09/2013 20:12, Baz wrote:
Esto tutemet ipse Google can't translate that for me, so I'm stumped. "Be true to yourself" maybe? I got 57% in Latin "O" level in 1959 (strange the odd things one remembers), but only because I learnt the set books by heart |
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stuart noble wrote:
I got 57% in Latin "O" level in 1959 (strange the odd things one remembers), but only because I learnt the set books by heart Is 57% good? |
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On 2013-09-10 10:24:45 +0100, Victoria Conlan said:
stuart noble wrote: I got 57% in Latin "O" level in 1959 (strange the odd things one remembers), but only because I learnt the set books by heart Is 57% good? It meant you'd passed, which was quite good enough! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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Sacha wrote in news:b96thoF893cU1
@mid.individual.net: I agree. My own view is that this is a real treasure trove of information for gardening at every level and all of us can receive help and learn from others all the time. And I know there are people who lurk and don't post and they'd miss out in a moderated group. The persistent troll, or the occasional idiot that wanders in, don't detract from the overall value of urg, imo. But quibbles about spelling and grammar would be better left at the door, again imo only, of course. Plenty of people are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree and really should not be dissuaded from posting here because someone persists in objecting to errors. While sometimes it's necessary to correct the spelling of plant names for the sake of good information, the rest should be overlooked. I agree. And I like your creative spelling of Dislexick.:-) Baz KO. ;-) Several members of my wider family are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree but they're mostly rather clever, also to a greater or lesser degree! ;-) So I do know that it's no reflection upon intelligence or ability, though for some reason, I take the opposite side of the family coin, because words and their spellings easily stick in my head while I and maths are sworn enemies. Arithmetic, yes. Maths = me, screaming and running into the hills. What really pains me about the attitude to dyslexia is how easily - even now - people who suffer from it can be dismissed as 'not very bright'. I know, absolutely, that this is not the case, any more than someone who is colourblind isn't 'very bright'. Dyslexia is a particular trial for peope in horticulture. Not only are they trying to learn and write another language when naming plants, or writing their labels, they're trying to *remember* those names even without seeing them written down. I think it takes quite a degree of persistence to go through that and continue to battle with it throughout a career. Having had a lot of first hand experience of people with dyslexia, I admire those who deal with it daily very much. My "training" to deal with dyslexia when reading, was to recognise the word and not to get bogged down trying to spell it. But writing is a different matter. Thanks to spell checker software it is quite easy now. When I was at school there was no such thing. A NIGHTMARE. My music teacher was sympathetic and taught me to read music, in a basic way. And my maths teacher was stunned that I could master to some degree algebra and trig. at age 11 when I went to the comprehensive school. My primary school teacher thought I was thick, so I never tried to impress her. I just grunted and got myself a bad attitude. My older brother tought me most things then. Thank goodness things have become better for the younger dyslexic. Baz |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in
ll.co.uk: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 10:43:10 +0100, David Hill wrote: Baz posts a question about Kilner jars Which has had it's moments but I have found educational. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. Or a joke group. There you go then! Dave. You know all about Kilners' AND learned a few jokes to make your mates laugh. Where is the harm in that? A bit of fun. I could tell you a joke that will make you laugh your cock off. (oops. You have already heard it) Sorry about that. Baz |
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:51:06 +0000, Baz wrote:
Thank goodness things have become better for the younger dyslexic. Efforts are being made, but kids still slip through. My nephew is one such. No question things are better than they were, though. -E P.S. I think this is a good ng, I learn a lot here about new plants and/ or techniques. Thread drift and OT-ness are normal and not always bad. Yes gardening content has been down recently but that will change I'm sure. -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
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On 2013-09-10 12:51:06 +0100, Baz said:
snip My "training" to deal with dyslexia when reading, was to recognise the word and not to get bogged down trying to spell it. But writing is a different matter. Thanks to spell checker software it is quite easy now. When I was at school there was no such thing. A NIGHTMARE. My music teacher was sympathetic and taught me to read music, in a basic way. And my maths teacher was stunned that I could master to some degree algebra and trig. at age 11 when I went to the comprehensive school. My primary school teacher thought I was thick, so I never tried to impress her. I just grunted and got myself a bad attitude. My older brother tought me most things then. Thank goodness things have become better for the younger dyslexic. Baz An awful lot depended on how old you are now! One of my family is severely dyslexic and now in his fifties, another in their 30s has the problem equally badly but wasn't diagnosed for years. The different approaches, understanding, knowledge are simply astonishing. The 50 something had some kind of funny little machine that was supposed to make it easier for him to read, iirc. Luckily, he went to a boarding school where they were au fait with that kind of problem, as he was one of the earliest to be diagnosed and treated with understanding and specific assistance. At one time, 'they' thought left handed children were more likely to be dyslexic. It's hardly strong evidence but I'm the only (mostly) left handed member of my family and my spelling is near perfect ( do not be fooled by the typos). This is not because of some gift I have, it's just that I remember the construction of a word easily and almost see a picture of it when I'm using it. And I learned to read when very young and have always read a lot. Otoh, I am really, really bad at maths (not arithmetic) and my brain just glazes over when people start talking mathy things. And in that instance and thanks to *my* age, I didn't have to do maths O level and gave up maths altogether at 14. Dyslexia has absolutely zero to do with intelligence. Otoh, how people express themselves and use words, even if they can't spell, probably does! ;-) Just as a rider, when I was at school in the 60s, a friend's brother joined the Fleet Air Arm. He was horribly dyslexic apparently and his gloves were marked with 'L' and 'R'. I cannot imagine how he got away with that! -- Sacha South Devon |
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David Hill wrote:
I post a joke, Baz posts a question about Kilner jars and many more items are posted and almost instantly a group of Pedants jump on the topic and start a diatribe. For Gods sake people Lighten Up. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. I find this to be a very knowledgeable group with a high tolerance factor. In comparison with some of the religious or political groups this is nirvana. I lurk a lot and post a little. I do agree that Usenet is slowly but surely disappearing and migrating to various forums and I deplore that. A few years ago Usenet was the place that solved all sorts of computer related problems for me, with serious respondents generous with their time and knowledge. Maybe those times have gone, but this group is still OK. Peter -- - The e-mail address obviously doesn't exist. If it's essential that you contact me then try peterATpfjamesDOTcoDOTuk |
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"David Hill" wrote in message ... I post a joke, Baz posts a question about Kilner jars and many more items are posted and almost instantly a group of Pedants jump on the topic and start a diatribe. For Gods sake people Lighten Up. This is a Gardening group not a Political correctness group. Hear! Hear! Bill |
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