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David Hill 01-10-2013 09:40 AM

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I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of
problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who
has one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.

David @ an overcast side of Swansea bay

CT 01-10-2013 09:52 AM

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David Hill wrote:

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot
of problems. I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't
know anyone who has one.


Are they as good as the advertising says,


Yes

or is it just hype.


No

Caveat: try out as many bed/mattress combinations as possible. You
really should spend as much as you can afford - anything else is false
economy IMO - and you don't want to make the wrong decision.

--
Chris

David Hill 01-10-2013 09:54 AM

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On 01/10/2013 09:52, CT wrote:
David Hill wrote:

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot
of problems. I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't
know anyone who has one.


Are they as good as the advertising says,


Yes

or is it just hype.


No

Caveat: try out as many bed/mattress combinations as possible. You
really should spend as much as you can afford - anything else is false
economy IMO - and you don't want to make the wrong decision.

Which is why I am asking here.
Trying for a couple of minutes in a showroom isn't like using it for a
few weeks.

Tom Gardner[_2_] 01-10-2013 10:16 AM

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On 01/10/13 09:40, David Hill wrote:
I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who has one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.


Only you can answer that, because it is specific to your back.

My daughter had her spine surgically straightened, and has
to sleep on either a lilo -- or memory foam.

Plan to lie on a mattress for half an hour to find out
what works for you. Tell the assistants why, and
if they aren't OK with that then walk out.

Be aware that you can get mattresses that are mostly
foam with a bit of memory foam on top. Might or might
not be good for you.

You can also get "toppers", i.e. 5cm or 7cm thick
sheets that you put on top of your ordinary mattress.

My daughter now uses a 7cm memory foam topper.
(£120 from a foam-cutter shed, £170 from a bed shop.)

CT 01-10-2013 10:20 AM

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David Hill wrote:

Which is why I am asking here.
Trying for a couple of minutes in a showroom isn't like using it for
a few weeks.


Well, quite. But equally, everyone is a different size, shape & weight
so whilst I could say "Buy a Tempur memory foam mattress, it's
fantastic" I think it would also be imperative that you also try one
out, however briefly, before spending a lot of money.

So, memory foam mattresses are very good and worth the money but as
everyone is different, try them out first, however briefly. After all,
caveat emptor.

--
Chris

Sacha[_11_] 01-10-2013 10:34 AM

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On 2013-10-01 09:40:15 +0100, David Hill said:

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot
of problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who
has one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.

David @ an overcast side of Swansea bay


I know a few people with them, including one of my immediate family.
All of them absolutely swear by them but one person says they can make
you hot - not in a pop star way, either! ;-) I use a memory foam
pillow because I have a neck problem, and it's fantastic. Weighs a ton
though!
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk


Tom Gardner[_2_] 01-10-2013 10:49 AM

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On 01/10/13 10:34, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-10-01 09:40:15 +0100, David Hill said:

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who has one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.

David @ an overcast side of Swansea bay


I know a few people with them, including one of my immediate family. All of them absolutely swear by them but one person says they can make you hot


All foam has that problem! It is worth trying to mitigate that by putting some air between yourself and the foam, e.g. a blanket or towel.


Pam Moore[_2_] 01-10-2013 11:06 AM

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On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:40:15 +0100, David Hill
wrote:

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of
problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who
has one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.

David @ an overcast side of Swansea bay


I have a Tempur mattress and am very comfortable on it, but I don't
have back problems. I recently let a visitor have my bed and I slept
on my old Dunlopillo mattress on a spare bed. I was just as
comfortable on that. It's never the same with the mattress on your own
bed as in the showroom. Take your time! Good luck.

Pam in Bristol

Nick Maclaren[_3_] 01-10-2013 11:33 AM

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In article ,
David Hill wrote:

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of
problems.


Have you had it looked at by a good physiotherapist? I have had
back trouble for years, which got worse, and the causes were not
at all what I expected. I got MASSIVE improvement by having 1/2"
added to the heel of a pair of my sandals. The physiotherapist
might even be able to advise on the best type of mattress for you.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

stuart noble 01-10-2013 12:38 PM

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On 01/10/2013 11:33, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
David Hill wrote:

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of
problems.


Have you had it looked at by a good physiotherapist? I have had
back trouble for years, which got worse, and the causes were not
at all what I expected. I got MASSIVE improvement by having 1/2"
added to the heel of a pair of my sandals. The physiotherapist
might even be able to advise on the best type of mattress for you.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


I had a lot of back trouble in my 40s and 50s, each bout caused by
nothing in particular, but each one taking weeks/months to get better.
At one time the only way I could travel anywhere was on my hands and
knees in the back of a van. Car seats just weren't an option

Eventually, an osteopath told me that, if anything, I needed massage
rather than manipulation. The lower back muscles had gone into spasm,
and relaxation was the only cure. Staggering about on Nurofen and trying
to lead a normal life is only likely to prolong the agony. IME a week's
rest is better than months of fighting it. Easily said now that I'm
retired :-)

Janet 01-10-2013 01:32 PM

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In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of
problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who
has one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.



Why not find a hotel that has them and spend a night or two so you
can try one out properly, before committing yourself to buying

The White House Hotel in Swansea has memory foam mattresses and so
does the Haveli at Pontyclun

http://www.havelihotel.co.uk/

Janet


S Viemeister[_2_] 01-10-2013 01:53 PM

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On 10/1/2013 9:54 AM, David Hill wrote:
On 01/10/2013 09:52, CT wrote:


Caveat: try out as many bed/mattress combinations as possible. You
really should spend as much as you can afford - anything else is false
economy IMO - and you don't want to make the wrong decision.

Which is why I am asking here.
Trying for a couple of minutes in a showroom isn't like using it for a
few weeks.


I was amazed at the difference our memory foam mattress made - it was
worth every penny.


Janet 01-10-2013 02:21 PM

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In article ,
lid says...

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:54:07 +0100, David Hill
wrote:

Trying for a couple of minutes in a showroom isn't like using it for a
few weeks.


You might be surprised at the number of people who spend a lot of time
on a bed in a showroom!


:-)

The best mattress we've ever had came from John Lewis, after a very long
session of questions and advice choosing it, from their bed-dept
salesman... with lots of trying out. He took so much trouble I wrote to
the store manager to commend him.

Janet

Spider[_3_] 01-10-2013 03:22 PM

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On 01/10/2013 13:53, S Viemeister wrote:
On 10/1/2013 9:54 AM, David Hill wrote:
On 01/10/2013 09:52, CT wrote:


Caveat: try out as many bed/mattress combinations as possible. You
really should spend as much as you can afford - anything else is false
economy IMO - and you don't want to make the wrong decision.

Which is why I am asking here.
Trying for a couple of minutes in a showroom isn't like using it for a
few weeks.


I was amazed at the difference our memory foam mattress made - it was
worth every penny.




Since you're so impressed, perhaps you would be happy to answer a
long-standing query I have with regard to memory foam mattresses?

Although it can be demonstrated that they do 'remember', say, the
pressure of a hand (as in the advertising), how do we know they're
remembering a good posture, as opposed to a bad posture?

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay


David Rance[_3_] 01-10-2013 03:57 PM

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In message , David Hill
writes
I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot
of problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who
has one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.


Hypnos Orthopaedic are the best for people with bad backs.

David

--
David Rance writing from Le Mesnil Villement, Calvados, France

S Viemeister[_2_] 01-10-2013 05:17 PM

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On 10/1/2013 3:22 PM, Spider wrote:

Since you're so impressed, perhaps you would be happy to answer a
long-standing query I have with regard to memory foam mattresses?

Although it can be demonstrated that they do 'remember', say, the
pressure of a hand (as in the advertising), how do we know they're
remembering a good posture, as opposed to a bad posture?

I've never thought that 'memory' foam was a particularly good name...

What my back appreciates about it, is that, for instance, when I lie on
my side, my well-rounded hip sinks in to the mattress, but my waist is
still properly supported - it allows my spine to be straight, rather
than curving sideways to fit the flat, firm, surface of my previous
sprung mattress.

In very hot, humid weather, I add a fluffy cotton-covered mattress pad.
It slows down the shape-accommodation of the foam, but stops me feeling
hot and sticky.

Ophelia[_4_] 01-10-2013 05:48 PM

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"S Viemeister" wrote in message
...
On 10/1/2013 3:22 PM, Spider wrote:

Since you're so impressed, perhaps you would be happy to answer a
long-standing query I have with regard to memory foam mattresses?

Although it can be demonstrated that they do 'remember', say, the
pressure of a hand (as in the advertising), how do we know they're
remembering a good posture, as opposed to a bad posture?

I've never thought that 'memory' foam was a particularly good name...

What my back appreciates about it, is that, for instance, when I lie on my
side, my well-rounded hip sinks in to the mattress, but my waist is still
properly supported - it allows my spine to be straight, rather than
curving sideways to fit the flat, firm, surface of my previous sprung
mattress.


Exactly the same here. Wonderful support!

In very hot, humid weather, I add a fluffy cotton-covered mattress pad. It
slows down the shape-accommodation of the foam, but stops me feeling hot
and sticky.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/


Bob Hobden 01-10-2013 05:54 PM

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"David Hill" wrote

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many gardeners
have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of
problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who has
one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.


I have had arthritis of the lower spine since I was 35, they said I would
probably end up in a wheelchair. We have a mattress that has pocket springs
with a few inches of memory foam on top. I can recommend it. One word of
warning, it weighs a ton.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK


sacha 01-10-2013 06:42 PM

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On 2013-10-01 16:17:04 +0000, S Viemeister said:

On 10/1/2013 3:22 PM, Spider wrote:

Since you're so impressed, perhaps you would be happy to answer a
long-standing query I have with regard to memory foam mattresses?

Although it can be demonstrated that they do 'remember', say, the
pressure of a hand (as in the advertising), how do we know they're
remembering a good posture, as opposed to a bad posture?

I've never thought that 'memory' foam was a particularly good name...

What my back appreciates about it, is that, for instance, when I lie on
my side, my well-rounded hip sinks in to the mattress, but my waist is
still properly supported - it allows my spine to be straight, rather
than curving sideways to fit the flat, firm, surface of my previous
sprung mattress.

In very hot, humid weather, I add a fluffy cotton-covered mattress pad.
It slows down the shape-accommodation of the foam, but stops me feeling
hot and sticky.


It would probably be better if it was just called a contour foam, or
something of that sort. I was highly sceptical because my last 'foam
mattress' was on a boat and its memory was altogether too good. It
adopted all the dents and hollows of which the human shape is capable
and held onto them indefinitely, after a very few months. My experience
with the Tempur pillow is that it simply supports the head and neck and
there is absolutely no shape of me left behind! And I am *very* fussy
about my pillows because not only can they affect my balance next day
but also my sleep each night. Given David's back problems I'd
certainly recommend one of those, too. I have two ordinary pillows on
top for reading etc. and Ray sleeps with one on top of his Tempur
pillow. But I find that the height, density and 'slope' of that
pillow is absolutely perfect. My daughter, who has had recent neck
surgery, lower back surgery (and is facing more, probably on her lower
back) absolutely swears by the pillow. She hasn't yet bought the
mattress only because she's waiting to see what her surgeon's final
pronouncement is! Otoh, an 80 year old friend who had back surgery
several times, a long time ago, has a Tempur mattress and is totally
enamoured of it. I really don't know if one make is better than
another so can only speak for those I know who have bought that
particular brand.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon


David Hill 01-10-2013 08:01 PM

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On 01/10/2013 18:42, sacha wrote:
On 2013-10-01 16:17:04 +0000, S Viemeister said:

On 10/1/2013 3:22 PM, Spider wrote:

Since you're so impressed, perhaps you would be happy to answer a
long-standing query I have with regard to memory foam mattresses?

Although it can be demonstrated that they do 'remember', say, the
pressure of a hand (as in the advertising), how do we know they're
remembering a good posture, as opposed to a bad posture?

I've never thought that 'memory' foam was a particularly good name...

What my back appreciates about it, is that, for instance, when I lie
on my side, my well-rounded hip sinks in to the mattress, but my waist
is still properly supported - it allows my spine to be straight,
rather than curving sideways to fit the flat, firm, surface of my
previous sprung mattress.

In very hot, humid weather, I add a fluffy cotton-covered mattress
pad. It slows down the shape-accommodation of the foam, but stops me
feeling hot and sticky.


It would probably be better if it was just called a contour foam, or
something of that sort. I was highly sceptical because my last 'foam
mattress' was on a boat and its memory was altogether too good. It
adopted all the dents and hollows of which the human shape is capable
and held onto them indefinitely, after a very few months. My experience
with the Tempur pillow is that it simply supports the head and neck and
there is absolutely no shape of me left behind! And I am *very* fussy
about my pillows because not only can they affect my balance next day
but also my sleep each night. Given David's back problems I'd certainly
recommend one of those, too. I have two ordinary pillows on top for
reading etc. and Ray sleeps with one on top of his Tempur pillow. But
I find that the height, density and 'slope' of that pillow is absolutely
perfect. My daughter, who has had recent neck surgery, lower back
surgery (and is facing more, probably on her lower back) absolutely
swears by the pillow. She hasn't yet bought the mattress only because
she's waiting to see what her surgeon's final pronouncement is! Otoh,
an 80 year old friend who had back surgery several times, a long time
ago, has a Tempur mattress and is totally enamoured of it. I really
don't know if one make is better than another so can only speak for
those I know who have bought that particular brand.


Looking at Memory foam mattresses on line I saw a Tempur mattress on
offer for only £2100,
Well a reasonably good mattress for around £400 would leave £1700 for
remedial massage on my back by an attractive young lady.
No choice.

Janet 01-10-2013 09:08 PM

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In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

Looking at Memory foam mattresses on line I saw a Tempur mattress on
offer for only £2100,
Well a reasonably good mattress for around £400 would leave £1700 for
remedial massage on my back by an attractive young lady.


I would dispute that a good mattress costs around £400; I'd say at
least £1000... and I suggest you might equally underestimate the cost
of a good, trained massage (as opposed to an oily back rub).

Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.

Janet



'Mike'[_4_] 01-10-2013 09:58 PM

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Our bed and mattress was in excess of £3,000


Mike


"Janet" wrote in message
t...

In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

Looking at Memory foam mattresses on line I saw a Tempur mattress on
offer for only £2100,
Well a reasonably good mattress for around £400 would leave £1700 for
remedial massage on my back by an attractive young lady.


I would dispute that a good mattress costs around £400; I'd say at
least £1000... and I suggest you might equally underestimate the cost
of a good, trained massage (as opposed to an oily back rub).

Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.

Janet


David Hill 01-10-2013 10:06 PM

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On 01/10/2013 21:08, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

Looking at Memory foam mattresses on line I saw a Tempur mattress on
offer for only £2100,
Well a reasonably good mattress for around £400 would leave £1700 for
remedial massage on my back by an attractive young lady.


I would dispute that a good mattress costs around £400; I'd say at
least £1000... and I suggest you might equally underestimate the cost
of a good, trained massage (as opposed to an oily back rub).

Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.

Janet


There is no way I would take out a mortgage on a mattress at my age, and
the last few massages I have had from a qualifies massage therapist
cost £25 for an hour,( and he was in his 40's), and they were not "Oily
back rubs"

Spider[_3_] 01-10-2013 10:47 PM

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On 01/10/2013 17:17, S Viemeister wrote:
On 10/1/2013 3:22 PM, Spider wrote:

Since you're so impressed, perhaps you would be happy to answer a
long-standing query I have with regard to memory foam mattresses?

Although it can be demonstrated that they do 'remember', say, the
pressure of a hand (as in the advertising), how do we know they're
remembering a good posture, as opposed to a bad posture?

I've never thought that 'memory' foam was a particularly good name...

What my back appreciates about it, is that, for instance, when I lie on
my side, my well-rounded hip sinks in to the mattress, but my waist is
still properly supported - it allows my spine to be straight, rather
than curving sideways to fit the flat, firm, surface of my previous
sprung mattress.

In very hot, humid weather, I add a fluffy cotton-covered mattress pad.
It slows down the shape-accommodation of the foam, but stops me feeling
hot and sticky.




Ah! That's very helpful. As you say, perhaps 'memory' foam is not the
best name. Thanks for clarifying.

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay


Tom Gardner[_2_] 02-10-2013 12:03 AM

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On 01/10/13 21:08, Janet wrote:
Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.


I tend to agree.

OTOH, spending £2100 and finding no improvement would
be somewhat of a disappointment.

I'd suggest spending £100 or so on a simple piece of
memory foam to see if there's an improvement - there
was for my daughter. If there is, then it might be
useful to spend the other £2000 - it wouldn't be for
my daughter.

In this case more than most, YMMV.


Janet 02-10-2013 12:11 AM

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In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

On 01/10/2013 21:08, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

Looking at Memory foam mattresses on line I saw a Tempur mattress on
offer for only £2100,
Well a reasonably good mattress for around £400 would leave £1700 for
remedial massage on my back by an attractive young lady.


I would dispute that a good mattress costs around £400; I'd say at
least £1000... and I suggest you might equally underestimate the cost
of a good, trained massage (as opposed to an oily back rub).

Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.

Janet


There is no way I would take out a mortgage on a mattress at my age,


"At your age" is the very time you should, because "at your age" is
when you most need to sleep well, take care of yourself and stay fit and
mobile for as long as possible.

Otherwise you might end up spending lots more time bedbound in your
sickbed with a lumpy saggy old mattress and wishing you'd bought a
better one :-)

Janet

stuart noble 02-10-2013 08:22 AM

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On 02/10/2013 00:03, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 01/10/13 21:08, Janet wrote:
Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.


I tend to agree.

OTOH, spending £2100 and finding no improvement would
be somewhat of a disappointment.

I'd suggest spending £100 or so on a simple piece of
memory foam to see if there's an improvement - there
was for my daughter. If there is, then it might be
useful to spend the other £2000 - it wouldn't be for
my daughter.

In this case more than most, YMMV.


One wonders what the "other" £2K covers then

Tom Gardner[_2_] 02-10-2013 09:30 AM

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On 02/10/13 08:22, stuart noble wrote:
On 02/10/2013 00:03, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 01/10/13 21:08, Janet wrote:
Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.


I tend to agree.

OTOH, spending £2100 and finding no improvement would
be somewhat of a disappointment.

I'd suggest spending £100 or so on a simple piece of
memory foam to see if there's an improvement - there
was for my daughter. If there is, then it might be
useful to spend the other £2000 - it wouldn't be for
my daughter.

In this case more than most, YMMV.


One wonders what the "other" £2K covers then


I can imagine that there might be research overheads, warehouse
overheads, stocking overheads, returned items, salesroom overheads
sales staff to watch people trying things out for 60 mins,
personal consultations and advice.

And all that probably /does/ make it worth £2k worth
/if/ it enables you to get a better night sleep.

Whatever is done, you'll pay to gain experience.

Maybe £100 would be a useful way of finding out the
questions (and answers) that are most relevant to each
person's case.

(BTW, after lying on each, my daughter opted for a 7cm
thick memory foam topper, not 5cm. Other cheaper toppers
seen were, IIRC, 1cm memory foam on 5cm ordinary foam,
which she didn't like)

But, YMMV, and those are /not/ recommendations!

Bertie Doe 02-10-2013 09:32 AM

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"David Hill" wrote in message ...

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many gardeners
have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of
problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who has
one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.


David we have an orthopaedic bed with a 4" topper. Firm support but feels
like floating on air, bloody marvellous!!

Has a life of about 2 years and you will also need to buy a washable cover.
Can't remember where I bought the cover, but we bought the topper from these
folk :- http://preview.tinyurl.com/oru3tv8

Their sale ends soon, suspect quality of product is pretty much the same
from all vendors. p.s. do be tempted to buy a thin one.






Tom Gardner[_2_] 02-10-2013 09:39 AM

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On 02/10/13 09:14, Jake wrote:
On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 17:54:28 +0100, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:

"David Hill" wrote

I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many gardeners
have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of
problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who has
one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.


I have had arthritis of the lower spine since I was 35, they said I would
probably end up in a wheelchair. We have a mattress that has pocket springs
with a few inches of memory foam on top. I can recommend it. One word of
warning, it weighs a ton.


Just a thought - QVC sell memory foam mattress toppers and have a
30-day refund policy - as long as it's still clean you can send it
back for a refund of purchase price, you just pay the P&P each way.

An relatively low-cost option to try it out for a decent period
perhaps?


It might indeed, particularly if you can't easily get to a
decent mattress shop or foam shed.

I note that they are 2cm of "gel infused memory foams" whereas my
daughter's mattress was simply a 7cm lump of memory foam (she
preferred that to the 5cm).

If the gel might leak then it would have to be enclosed by
an impermeable membrane, which might make it more sweaty.
But foam tends to be sweaty anyway.


Bertie Doe 02-10-2013 09:59 AM

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"Bertie Doe" wrote in message ...

/David we have an orthopaedic bed with a 4" topper. Firm support but feels
/like floating on air, bloody marvellous!!
/
/Has a life of about 2 years and you will also need to buy a washable cover.
/Can't remember where I bought the cover, but we bought the topper from
these
/folk :- http://preview.tinyurl.com/oru3tv8
/
/Their sale ends soon, suspect quality of product is pretty much the same
/from all vendors. p.s. do be tempted to buy a thin one.

Oops, meant to write "do NOT be tempted to buy a thin one :)






David Hill 02-10-2013 10:36 AM

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On 02/10/2013 00:11, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

On 01/10/2013 21:08, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

Looking at Memory foam mattresses on line I saw a Tempur mattress on
offer for only £2100,
Well a reasonably good mattress for around £400 would leave £1700 for
remedial massage on my back by an attractive young lady.

I would dispute that a good mattress costs around £400; I'd say at
least £1000... and I suggest you might equally underestimate the cost
of a good, trained massage (as opposed to an oily back rub).

Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.

Janet


There is no way I would take out a mortgage on a mattress at my age,


"At your age" is the very time you should, because "at your age" is
when you most need to sleep well, take care of yourself and stay fit and
mobile for as long as possible.

Otherwise you might end up spending lots more time bedbound in your
sickbed with a lumpy saggy old mattress and wishing you'd bought a
better one :-)

Janet

Janet
you may be rolling in money but some of us just don't have £2000 to
spend on a mattress or anything else for that matter.
I'll settle for the "Skoda" of mattresses and not a "Rolls Royce" as
long as it does the job.
If I have to change it in another few years then so be it.
But I wont be going for anything that only gives a 1 year guarantee.
David

Wendy Tinley 02-10-2013 10:41 AM

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On 01/10/2013 09:40, David Hill wrote:
I know that this is totally off topic but thinking about how many
gardeners have back problems I thought I'd ask my question here.
It's time for me to change my mattress and my back is giving me a lot of
problems.
I'm wondering about a Memory foam mattress, but I don't know anyone who
has one.
Are they as good as the advertising says, or is it just hype.



Our local Dreams had a closing down sale and we bought one of these:

http://www.dreams.co.uk/beds/memory-...van-on-legs-12

What a fabulous bed - not one second regret.

--
Wendy Tinley
SE Sheffield
4 miles west of junction 30 M1

Janet 02-10-2013 03:42 PM

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In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

On 02/10/2013 00:11, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

On 01/10/2013 21:08, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

Looking at Memory foam mattresses on line I saw a Tempur mattress on
offer for only £2100,
Well a reasonably good mattress for around £400 would leave £1700 for
remedial massage on my back by an attractive young lady.

I would dispute that a good mattress costs around £400; I'd say at
least £1000... and I suggest you might equally underestimate the cost
of a good, trained massage (as opposed to an oily back rub).

Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.

Janet


There is no way I would take out a mortgage on a mattress at my age,


"At your age" is the very time you should, because "at your age" is
when you most need to sleep well, take care of yourself and stay fit and
mobile for as long as possible.

Otherwise you might end up spending lots more time bedbound in your
sickbed with a lumpy saggy old mattress and wishing you'd bought a
better one :-)

Janet

Janet
you may be rolling in money but some of us just don't have £2000 to
spend on a mattress or anything else for that matter.


Well, it wasn;t me who recently posted about the forthcoming arrival
of his huge new greenhouse (at his age! fancy!)

Janet.





David Hill 02-10-2013 06:56 PM

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On 02/10/2013 15:42, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

On 02/10/2013 00:11, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

On 01/10/2013 21:08, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus-
nurseries.co.uk says...

Looking at Memory foam mattresses on line I saw a Tempur mattress on
offer for only £2100,
Well a reasonably good mattress for around £400 would leave £1700 for
remedial massage on my back by an attractive young lady.

I would dispute that a good mattress costs around £400; I'd say at
least £1000... and I suggest you might equally underestimate the cost
of a good, trained massage (as opposed to an oily back rub).

Given the huge negative effect a bad back and poor sleep has on all
aspects of life and mental and physical health, I'd say spending £2100
to improve them is a good investment.

Janet


There is no way I would take out a mortgage on a mattress at my age,

"At your age" is the very time you should, because "at your age" is
when you most need to sleep well, take care of yourself and stay fit and
mobile for as long as possible.

Otherwise you might end up spending lots more time bedbound in your
sickbed with a lumpy saggy old mattress and wishing you'd bought a
better one :-)

Janet

Janet
you may be rolling in money but some of us just don't have £2000 to
spend on a mattress or anything else for that matter.


Well, it wasn;t me who recently posted about the forthcoming arrival
of his huge new greenhouse (at his age! fancy!)

Janet.




I don't think that a couple of 8ft by 10 ft greenhouses rank as huge.


David Hill 02-10-2013 08:50 PM

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Ah go on - you'd look lovely dressed in mint and rosemary! ;-) But
seriously, it really is worth anyone getting very best mattress they can
afford even "at our ages". Even with a bad back, a very firm mattress
nearly kills me because all my joints stiffen up, others find it's just
what they need. If we were ever going to buy again, I'd opt for two
zipped together mattresses, because when we sleep on those in hotels, we
find we do sleep better as one doesn't disturb the other turning over or
getting up. No idea if you can do that with foam mattresses, though. I
think Janet's suggestion that you opt for a few nights in a hotel that
uses them, is the best one. You get a short break and a trial run all
in one go!


Yes but at around £70 a night ?


As a PS - could save you a lot and give you direct info, perhaps? But
the other best option is to get the topper and if you think that works,
splash out on the mattress, do you think? Complete non sequitor but the
best not-at-home bed we ever slept in was in NZ and it was a Paradise
mattress made in China. It was so deliciously comfortable I asked the s
Lodge owner for the name of the maker.


After talking to 4 different firms about Mattresses and getting
different info and opinions from each I had the feeling that they didn't
really have any real idea about their subject, one was even just reading
from their website, and badly at that.
I decided to get in touch with one of the manufactures flexcell
http://www.flexcell.co.uk/index.html
I had about a 15 minute chat to one of their people and he was very good
and certainly knew his subject.
His advice was not to go for memory foam but instead to have latex foam
as it shapes to you as you move where as memory foam is slower to react,
it (memory foam) holds the shape that is impressed into it for a few
minutes, hence it's name, also latex isn't as hot to the body.
His advice was to avoid the combination spring and foam mattresses as
they are very heavy to move around and not as good in the long run as
just foam.
His first choice was the top of the range which they can alter the core
filling to suit the weight of the buyer at no extra cost, might be the
one for you Sacha The Opurest mattress
His second choice was mid range.
I haven't ordered yet as I am still looking.
David


Sacha[_11_] 02-10-2013 10:55 PM

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On 2013-10-02 20:50:31 +0100, David Hill said:
snip

After talking to 4 different firms about Mattresses and getting
different info and opinions from each I had the feeling that they
didn't really have any real idea about their subject, one was
even just reading from their website, and badly at that.
I decided to get in touch with one of the manufactures flexcell
http://www.flexcell.co.uk/index.html
I had about a 15 minute chat to one of their people and he was very
good and certainly knew his subject.
His advice was not to go for memory foam but instead to have latex foam
as it shapes to you as you move where as memory foam is slower to
react, it (memory foam) holds the shape that is impressed into it for a
few minutes, hence it's name, also latex isn't as hot to the body.
His advice was to avoid the combination spring and foam mattresses as
they are very heavy to move around and not as good in the long run as
just foam.
His first choice was the top of the range which they can alter the core
filling to suit the weight of the buyer at no extra cost, might be the
one for you Sacha The Opurest mattress
His second choice was mid range.
I haven't ordered yet as I am still looking.
David


Thanks, David and I'll make a note of that wonderful name, just in
case! At present, we're comfortable with what we'e got which we bought
from Betteridge in Kingsbridge 13 years ago. I can see Ray's face now
if I suggested throwing it out when there's nothing actually wrong with
us or it. Our bed is 7x7 so we have plenty of individual space and
neither of us will *ever* forget the 3 or 4 days we spent with friends
whose spare room contained a 4' bed for the two of us! It really was a
case of synchronised breathing and turning!
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk


David Hill 03-10-2013 10:22 AM

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On 02/10/2013 22:55, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-10-02 20:50:31 +0100, David Hill said:
snip

After talking to 4 different firms about Mattresses and
getting different info and opinions from each I had the feeling that
they didn't really have any real idea about their subject, one was
even just reading from their website, and badly at that.
I decided to get in touch with one of the manufactures flexcell
http://www.flexcell.co.uk/index.html
I had about a 15 minute chat to one of their people and he was very
good and certainly knew his subject.
His advice was not to go for memory foam but instead to have latex
foam as it shapes to you as you move where as memory foam is slower to
react, it (memory foam) holds the shape that is impressed into it for
a few minutes, hence it's name, also latex isn't as hot to the body.
His advice was to avoid the combination spring and foam mattresses as
they are very heavy to move around and not as good in the long run as
just foam.
His first choice was the top of the range which they can alter the
core filling to suit the weight of the buyer at no extra cost, might
be the one for you Sacha The Opurest mattress
His second choice was mid range.
I haven't ordered yet as I am still looking.
David


Thanks, David and I'll make a note of that wonderful name, just in case!
At present, we're comfortable with what we'e got which we bought from
Betteridge in Kingsbridge 13 years ago. I can see Ray's face now if I
suggested throwing it out when there's nothing actually wrong with us or
it. Our bed is 7x7 so we have plenty of individual space and neither of
us will *ever* forget the 3 or 4 days we spent with friends whose spare
room contained a 4' bed for the two of us! It really was a case of
synchronised breathing and turning!


Found that that is the problem with Premier Inns they just do that size
bed, no choice of twin beds so unless you are both slim to emaciated you
don't have any room.

Sacha[_11_] 03-10-2013 10:31 AM

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On 2013-10-03 09:39:45 +0100, Martin said:

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 22:55:53 +0100, Sacha
wrote:
snip


Our bed is 7x7 so we have plenty of individual space and
neither of us will *ever* forget the 3 or 4 days we spent with friends
whose spare room contained a 4' bed for the two of us! It really was a
case of synchronised breathing and turning!


One of the problems with renting holiday cottages is the awful beds.
Some owners use them as a last resting place for their old beds.


I don't know if it's just a British habit to do that but friends have
told us of some horrendous encounters with tatty furniture,
uncomfortable beds, washing machines that don't etc. Everywhere we
stayed in NZ was, without exception, comfortable, beautifully furnished
and with superb breakfasts. Their b&b association does a great job.
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk


Sacha[_11_] 03-10-2013 10:32 AM

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On 2013-10-03 10:22:00 +0100, David Hill said:

On 02/10/2013 22:55, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-10-02 20:50:31 +0100, David Hill said:
snip

After talking to 4 different firms about Mattresses and
getting different info and opinions from each I had the feeling that
they didn't really have any real idea about their subject, one was
even just reading from their website, and badly at that.
I decided to get in touch with one of the manufactures flexcell
http://www.flexcell.co.uk/index.html
I had about a 15 minute chat to one of their people and he was very
good and certainly knew his subject.
His advice was not to go for memory foam but instead to have latex
foam as it shapes to you as you move where as memory foam is slower to
react, it (memory foam) holds the shape that is impressed into it for
a few minutes, hence it's name, also latex isn't as hot to the body.
His advice was to avoid the combination spring and foam mattresses as
they are very heavy to move around and not as good in the long run as
just foam.
His first choice was the top of the range which they can alter the
core filling to suit the weight of the buyer at no extra cost, might
be the one for you Sacha The Opurest mattress
His second choice was mid range.
I haven't ordered yet as I am still looking.
David


Thanks, David and I'll make a note of that wonderful name, just in case!
At present, we're comfortable with what we'e got which we bought from
Betteridge in Kingsbridge 13 years ago. I can see Ray's face now if I
suggested throwing it out when there's nothing actually wrong with us or
it. Our bed is 7x7 so we have plenty of individual space and neither of
us will *ever* forget the 3 or 4 days we spent with friends whose spare
room contained a 4' bed for the two of us! It really was a case of
synchronised breathing and turning!


Found that that is the problem with Premier Inns they just do that size
bed, no choice of twin beds so unless you are both slim to emaciated
you don't have any room.


I always find it strange that as a nation we seem to be so 'mean' with
bed sizes!
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk



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