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Hydroleca
I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic
compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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On 16/08/2014 12:18, Spider wrote:
I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. Well, it's no more a substitute for compost as stones would be for soil. Basically it;'s a nutrient-free porous artificial rock. But I guess that if your pond water has sufficient nutrients, the plants would extract what they need from the water. But then, they could equally extract the nutrients if they were just held in place by stones or gravel. And those, of course, would be a lot cheaper than hydroleca... -- Jeff |
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On 16/08/2014 12:31, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 16/08/2014 12:18, Spider wrote: I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. Well, it's no more a substitute for compost as stones would be for soil. Basically it;'s a nutrient-free porous artificial rock. But I guess that if your pond water has sufficient nutrients, the plants would extract what they need from the water. But then, they could equally extract the nutrients if they were just held in place by stones or gravel. And those, of course, would be a lot cheaper than hydroleca... Very sensible observations. Plant nutrients might well come from the few fish I have, but if gravel/stones will do the job, I could try that. Thanks. -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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On 16/08/2014 12:18, Spider wrote:
I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. I imagine it has similar properties to vermiculite and perlite. Yes, very light when dry, BUT extremely heavy when wet. They recommend it for roof gardens, which doesn't make much sense. |
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On 16/08/2014 12:39, stuart noble wrote:
On 16/08/2014 12:18, Spider wrote: I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. I imagine it has similar properties to vermiculite and perlite. Yes, very light when dry, BUT extremely heavy when wet. They recommend it for roof gardens, which doesn't make much sense. Yes, I can see that it might be like vermiculite/perlite, except they'd be really hopeless in a pond. I think I will experiment with gravel first and see if that will suffice. I had some idea that Hydroleca would be less muddy in a pond than the proper compost, and be more widely available. I don't often see aquatic compost for sale, so was looking for a substitute. Thanks for your input. -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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On 16/08/2014 22:39, Spider wrote:
On 16/08/2014 12:39, stuart noble wrote: On 16/08/2014 12:18, Spider wrote: I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. I imagine it has similar properties to vermiculite and perlite. Yes, very light when dry, BUT extremely heavy when wet. They recommend it for roof gardens, which doesn't make much sense. Yes, I can see that it might be like vermiculite/perlite, except they'd be really hopeless in a pond. I think I will experiment with gravel first and see if that will suffice. I had some idea that Hydroleca would be less muddy in a pond than the proper compost, and be more widely available. I don't often see aquatic compost for sale, so was looking for a substitute. Thanks for your input. I seem to remember in my "Youth" we cut old turf about 2 inches thick and wrapped that around a house brick, grass innermost. and planted water lilies into that. If you are going to use garden soil then think of mixing it with some stones and putting it all into an old sprout or cabbage net. The net will stop the fish ploughing up the soil, and wont rot. As for your worry about poultry manure, remember there are many water birds such as ducks, morehens etc that don't get out of the water to relieve themselves. David @ a now sunny side of Swansea Bay |
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On 17/08/2014 14:53, David Hill wrote:
On 16/08/2014 22:39, Spider wrote: On 16/08/2014 12:39, stuart noble wrote: On 16/08/2014 12:18, Spider wrote: I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. I imagine it has similar properties to vermiculite and perlite. Yes, very light when dry, BUT extremely heavy when wet. They recommend it for roof gardens, which doesn't make much sense. Yes, I can see that it might be like vermiculite/perlite, except they'd be really hopeless in a pond. I think I will experiment with gravel first and see if that will suffice. I had some idea that Hydroleca would be less muddy in a pond than the proper compost, and be more widely available. I don't often see aquatic compost for sale, so was looking for a substitute. Thanks for your input. I seem to remember in my "Youth" we cut old turf about 2 inches thick and wrapped that around a house brick, grass innermost. and planted water lilies into that. If you are going to use garden soil then think of mixing it with some stones and putting it all into an old sprout or cabbage net. The net will stop the fish ploughing up the soil, and wont rot. As for your worry about poultry manure, remember there are many water birds such as ducks, morehens etc that don't get out of the water to relieve themselves. David @ a now sunny side of Swansea Bay Thanks, David, that's a good tip. I've usually lined my aquatic pots with torn up old tee shirts (there's a limit to how many dusters one can use!), which keeps the soil in place, but I'll investigate cabbage nets. I'm not sure I'd want to eat and paddle in water I'd just soiled! At least chick poo pellets are sterilised. I'll not be too worried, then. Thanks. -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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"Spider" wrote
Thanks, David, that's a good tip. I've usually lined my aquatic pots with torn up old tee shirts (there's a limit to how many dusters one can use!), which keeps the soil in place, but I'll investigate cabbage nets. I'm not sure I'd want to eat and paddle in water I'd just soiled! At least chick poo pellets are sterilised. I'll not be too worried, then. A pet beef of mine is the pots they sell for water plants covered in holes so the soil washes out. Do water plants need drainage holes? I think not. Recently I have seen some lily pots that are solid so don't need a liner at all, actually you could use a bin from a pound shop, I have on occasion. For example RHS Wisley and others use half dustbins. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 16/08/2014 12:39, stuart noble wrote:
On 16/08/2014 12:18, Spider wrote: I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. I imagine it has similar properties to vermiculite and perlite. Yes, very light when dry, BUT extremely heavy when wet. They recommend it for roof gardens, which doesn't make much sense. It is not much heavier than the water it contains in its pores so around 1kg/L maximum. By comparison gravel tends to be 2-3kg/L. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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"Spider" wrote...
I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. That is very light especially in water so any movement by fish and you will have empty pots. The main problem is that it is nutrient sterile so you plants will not grow well especially gross feeders like lilies not matter how rich your pond water. For lilies use good garden soil as long as it hasn't been manured/fertilized recently, not even that "Aquatic compost" is good enough for them without also buying their own fertilizer. (waste of money IMO). The soil should be covered with pebbles but they must be big enough and heavy enough that the fish can't move them and get in and suck up the mud to feed. For Goldfish a goldfish sized pebble is about right, for Koi no pebble is big enough, cover the pots with a wire mesh wired down well but ensure the fish cannot get caught in the mesh but the lily can send up shoots through it. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 16/08/2014 23:33, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote... I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. That is very light especially in water so any movement by fish and you will have empty pots. The main problem is that it is nutrient sterile so you plants will not grow well especially gross feeders like lilies not matter how rich your pond water. For lilies use good garden soil as long as it hasn't been manured/fertilized recently, not even that "Aquatic compost" is good enough for them without also buying their own fertilizer. (waste of money IMO). The soil should be covered with pebbles but they must be big enough and heavy enough that the fish can't move them and get in and suck up the mud to feed. For Goldfish a goldfish sized pebble is about right, for Koi no pebble is big enough, cover the pots with a wire mesh wired down well but ensure the fish cannot get caught in the mesh but the lily can send up shoots through it. Thanks, Bob, you'd already made up my mind over the weight issue, so I've abandoned Hydroleca for pond use. Very interesting what you say about aquatic compost and lilies. I do have a small lily in the pond. It's in its second summer with me and has produced a flower bed, so I imagine there's enough food for now. Maybe next year I'll have to pot it into better compost and, presumably, a bigger pot? I have some reasonably good garden soil in the veg patch which would suit, but I used chicken manure pellets on it this Spring. Do you think it will be safe enough to use in the pond by next April, say? As to my fish, they were rescued and given to me so, although I'm fairly sure they're not goldfish, I don't know what they are. Definitely not Orfe since I had those previously. It is possible, I suppose, that they are small Koi. It's not easy to photograph them as they're not at the surface for very long. I suppose I'll know they're Koi when they grow too big for my little pond and start moving the plants about! -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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On 16/08/2014 13:43, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:18:02 +0100, Spider wrote: I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. Never used it, so can't answer your question, but Hydroleca is just a trade name for Lightweight Expanded Clay Aggregate (the Leca bit), widely available and probably a lot cheaper than Hydroleca. See http://tinyurl.com/owjjpe5 for general info. At one time in Cornwall large quantities (many lorry-loads) were used as fill in 'escape lanes' at the bottom of long steep hills where lorries whose brakes had failed could be brought to a reasonably safe halt. And no, I never did avail myself of the resource (but I bet some did!) If it does turn out to be a bit light (it may even float; it has a malteser-like structure), you could always mix it with gravel to weight it. Allegedly it holds 40% of its own weight in water, which isn't a lot comapared to vermiculite, but enough to stop it floating. |
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"stuart noble" wrote
Chris Hogg wrote: Spider wrote: I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. Never used it, so can't answer your question, but Hydroleca is just a trade name for Lightweight Expanded Clay Aggregate (the Leca bit), widely available and probably a lot cheaper than Hydroleca. See http://tinyurl.com/owjjpe5 for general info. At one time in Cornwall large quantities (many lorry-loads) were used as fill in 'escape lanes' at the bottom of long steep hills where lorries whose brakes had failed could be brought to a reasonably safe halt. And no, I never did avail myself of the resource (but I bet some did!) If it does turn out to be a bit light (it may even float; it has a malteser-like structure), you could always mix it with gravel to weight it. Allegedly it holds 40% of its own weight in water, which isn't a lot comapared to vermiculite, but enough to stop it floating. I used it as a filter medium once and some of it will float but it will all be too light to use in a pond, the fish will have it out of the pots in short order. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 16/08/2014 23:36, Bob Hobden wrote:
"stuart noble" wrote Chris Hogg wrote: Spider wrote: I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. Never used it, so can't answer your question, but Hydroleca is just a trade name for Lightweight Expanded Clay Aggregate (the Leca bit), widely available and probably a lot cheaper than Hydroleca. See http://tinyurl.com/owjjpe5 for general info. At one time in Cornwall large quantities (many lorry-loads) were used as fill in 'escape lanes' at the bottom of long steep hills where lorries whose brakes had failed could be brought to a reasonably safe halt. And no, I never did avail myself of the resource (but I bet some did!) If it does turn out to be a bit light (it may even float; it has a malteser-like structure), you could always mix it with gravel to weight it. Allegedly it holds 40% of its own weight in water, which isn't a lot comapared to vermiculite, but enough to stop it floating. I used it as a filter medium once and some of it will float but it will all be too light to use in a pond, the fish will have it out of the pots in short order. Thanks, Bob. That definitely rules it out for pond use, then. If half of it sinks and half of it floats, I'll be forever netting it from the pond. Silly idea abandoned :-} -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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On 16/08/2014 13:43, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:18:02 +0100, Spider wrote: I have been wondering about using Hydroleca as a substitute for aquatic compost when potting up pond plants. There's probably a very good reason why I've never heard of it being done, despite its being used for hydroponics. Perhaps it's too light? I'd be interested in other urglers' opinions/experience. Never used it, so can't answer your question, but Hydroleca is just a trade name for Lightweight Expanded Clay Aggregate (the Leca bit), widely available and probably a lot cheaper than Hydroleca. See http://tinyurl.com/owjjpe5 for general info. At one time in Cornwall large quantities (many lorry-loads) were used as fill in 'escape lanes' at the bottom of long steep hills where lorries whose brakes had failed could be brought to a reasonably safe halt. And no, I never did avail myself of the resource (but I bet some did!) If it does turn out to be a bit light (it may even float; it has a malteser-like structure), you could always mix it with gravel to weight it. Thanks, Chris. I had a look at that link and one or two images seemed to suggest it might float. If it's really light enough to float, I'm not sure gravel would help much, unless it was quite chunky. Perhaps I'll just have to buy some and see if it sinks or floats. I'm sure I could use the rest for top-dressing pots if I can't use it in the pond. -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |