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Sterilising alder seeds with hydrogen peroxide
"Michael Bell" wrote in message . uk... In message Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:57:17 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:54:09 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 20/10/2014 17:28, Bob Hobden wrote: I believe they use Hydrogen peroxide to wake up Protea seed, at least that is what I was told to do. There has been some success with it, but the best thing to use is smoke (as smoke water or paper discs which have been exposed to smoke, rested on the seed compost, and gently sprayed to allow the smoke to soak into the compost). -- Jeff that's enough, Jeff. If you want to be cruel I'm not allowing it. It's very unlikely that smoke germination would be appropriate for Alder, if that's what you think Jeff is suggesting. It's an evolutionary adaptation by plants exposed to wild-fires. Many South African and Australian plants respond well. It may be because young seedlings won't survive a wild-fire, but after fire has swept through, there's nothing left to burn, and seedlings can get established to the point at which they stand a chance of surviving the next fire. Chemicals in the smoke trigger the germinating process. I've used it myself on a number of occasions to encourage germination of South African proteaceae (as Jeff said) and SA heathers. Can't say how successful it was though, because I didn't do an unsmoked test alongside it. Michael is unlikely to breed huge alder seeds to feed the world (although it would be great) so I suggest you don't encourage him too much because it will lead to him being very disappointed. And I wouldn't like that. I don't know what gives you the idea that either Jeff or I were encouraging him in what we said. Between us we made it clear that smoke treatment would neither sterilise nor promote germination of alder seeds. Threads on usenet drift. Michael has been around long enough to know that. Indeed so. Smoke is a diversion from my main interest: alder. But it might be of interest in getting Sequoia to germinate. Michael Bell OMG. Michael, don't start on sequoia. You are a very kind person but you need to give up on trying to feed the world with seeds. It's not possible. -- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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"Christina Websell" wrote: "Michael Bell" wrote in message . uk... In message Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:57:17 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message m... On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:54:09 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 20/10/2014 17:28, Bob Hobden wrote: I believe they use Hydrogen peroxide to wake up Protea seed, at least that is what I was told to do. There has been some success with it, but the best thing to use is smoke (as smoke water or paper discs which have been exposed to smoke, rested on the seed compost, and gently sprayed to allow the smoke to soak into the compost). -- Jeff that's enough, Jeff. If you want to be cruel I'm not allowing it. It's very unlikely that smoke germination would be appropriate for Alder, if that's what you think Jeff is suggesting. It's an evolutionary adaptation by plants exposed to wild-fires. Many South African and Australian plants respond well. It may be because young seedlings won't survive a wild-fire, but after fire has swept through, there's nothing left to burn, and seedlings can get established to the point at which they stand a chance of surviving the next fire. Chemicals in the smoke trigger the germinating process. I've used it myself on a number of occasions to encourage germination of South African proteaceae (as Jeff said) and SA heathers. Can't say how successful it was though, because I didn't do an unsmoked test alongside it. Michael is unlikely to breed huge alder seeds to feed the world (although it would be great) so I suggest you don't encourage him too much because it will lead to him being very disappointed. And I wouldn't like that. I don't know what gives you the idea that either Jeff or I were encouraging him in what we said. Between us we made it clear that smoke treatment would neither sterilise nor promote germination of alder seeds. Threads on usenet drift. Michael has been around long enough to know that. Indeed so. Smoke is a diversion from my main interest: alder. But it might be of interest in getting Sequoia to germinate. Michael Bell OMG. Michael, don't start on sequoia. You are a very kind person but you need to give up on trying to feed the world with seeds. It's not possible. Sequoia is a wholly separate project. My partner in this is a man who wants to leave sequoia trees all over the place like a kind of Johnny Appleseed. It is HIS project. Michael Bell -- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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Sterilising alder seeds with hydrogen peroxide
"Janet" wrote in message t... In article , says... You are a very kind person but you need to give up on trying to feed the world with seeds. It's not possible. Rice corn and wheat seeds seem to be doing pretty well Janet alder will not, and don't try and make me a bad person for pointing this out. It's time someone did. |
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Sterilising alder seeds with hydrogen peroxide
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Janet wrote: In article , says... Michael is unlikely to breed huge alder seeds to feed the world (although it would be great) so I suggest you don't encourage him too much because it will lead to him being very disappointed. And I wouldn't like that. iirc his posting to urg, Michael has been happily pursuing his alder objective for many years, without the least sign of progress, success, disappointment or discouragement. IOW he is happy to be obsessed with growing his hearts desire. Pretty much like most longterm gardeners here. The difference between a world-changing visionary and someone just riding a hobby-horse can be told only long after the event. I don't give him a high chance of pulling this off, but I commend his vision and determination. Regards, Nick Maclaren. so do I but at some point he has to be to advised that is is very unlikely that alder seeds will feed the world and he should maybe turn his talent to something else. but no-one has the courage to say so. Of course I would like someone to say they have huge alder seeds, but no-one did. I like the idea but it's not possible |
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Sterilising alder seeds with hydrogen peroxide
Christina Websell wrote:
alder will not, and don't try and make me a bad person for pointing this out. It's time someone did. Looking at the evidence here, and in other groups where Michael espouses what one can at best describe as a different view of life, what becomes abundantly clear is that he remains impervious to all suggestions that his efforts are misplaced. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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Sterilising alder seeds with hydrogen peroxide
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Janet wrote: In article , says... Michael is unlikely to breed huge alder seeds to feed the world (although it would be great) so I suggest you don't encourage him too much because it will lead to him being very disappointed. And I wouldn't like that. iirc his posting to urg, Michael has been happily pursuing his alder objective for many years, without the least sign of progress, success, disappointment or discouragement. IOW he is happy to be obsessed with growing his hearts desire. Pretty much like most longterm gardeners here. The difference between a world-changing visionary and someone just riding a hobby-horse can be told only long after the event. I don't give him a high chance of pulling this off, but I commend his vision and determination. Regards, Nick Maclaren. so do I but at some point he has to be to advised that is is very unlikely that alder seeds will feed the world and he should maybe turn his talent to something else. but no-one has the courage to say so. Of course I would like someone to say they have huge alder seeds, but no-one did. I like the idea but it's not possible I have no idea if in this instance you are right or wrong having next to no knowledge of alder, but you have to admit when you see examples of the original wild plants that many of our grains and veg come from you wouldn't have given them much hope either! But you are wrong on one count, people did point out it was a daft idea in the first place, its just most of us think having given the warning, being helpful is now the best way forward. (and he has already achieved several things I didn't think he could do so I am learning to!) -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cvs http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
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Sterilising alder seeds with hydrogen peroxide
Chris J Dixon and Christina Websell wrote things like:
alder will not, and don't try and make me a bad person for pointing this out. It's time someone did. It depends what you mean by 'bad' :-) If I were evaluating this, er, debate as an exercise in scientific reasoning, Michael would get a 'B' and you both would get an 'E'. That's a bad mark .... He has provided well thought out reasons why he is tackling the task, and described a viable procedure, but has provided little evidence why the task should succeed. Hence only a 'B'. You have provided no reasoning at all, other than the classically spurious ones of "He hasn't done it yet". Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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