Transplanting Carrots
Whilst in Homebase this afternoon, I wandered around the garden
bit and noticed among other vegetables, they were selling small trays of carrotts, each with 6-8 clumps of quite tall seedlings. Instructions of the tray said palnt out in frost free soil! No indication of whether you should break up the clumps or of distance. I was always lead to belive that transplanting of root vegetables like carrots/parsnips/swedes etc was a no no, as they roots would split or not form properly. Is this true? If so how do Homebase justify selling them like this? -- Roger T 700 ft up in Mid-Wales |
Transplanting Carrots
"Roger Tonkin" wrote in message ... Whilst in Homebase this afternoon, I wandered around the garden bit and noticed among other vegetables, they were selling small trays of carrotts, each with 6-8 clumps of quite tall seedlings. Instructions of the tray said palnt out in frost free soil! No indication of whether you should break up the clumps or of distance. I was always lead to belive that transplanting of root vegetables like carrots/parsnips/swedes etc was a no no, as they roots would split or not form properly. Is this true? If so how do Homebase justify selling them like this? It is not true. I have grown beetroot successfully in cells in the greenhouse for years before planting outside and had a good crop every year. I shall be planting out in a weeks time here in the far north, when we will probably be free of frost (although this year there is no certainty !!!). It is the only way that we can get a long enough growing season. Phil 40 miles N. of Inverness |
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On 03/06/2015 00:04, philgurr wrote:
"Roger Tonkin" wrote in message ... Whilst in Homebase this afternoon, I wandered around the garden bit and noticed among other vegetables, they were selling small trays of carrotts, each with 6-8 clumps of quite tall seedlings. Instructions of the tray said palnt out in frost free soil! No indication of whether you should break up the clumps or of distance. I was always lead to belive that transplanting of root vegetables like carrots/parsnips/swedes etc was a no no, as they roots would split or not form properly. Is this true? If so how do Homebase justify selling them like this? It is not true. I have grown beetroot successfully in cells in the greenhouse for years before planting outside and had a good crop every year. I shall be planting out in a weeks time here in the far north, when we will probably be free of frost (although this year there is no certainty !!!). It is the only way that we can get a long enough growing season. Phil 40 miles N. of Inverness There is a difference between crops like Beetroot and Swedes, and long rooted veg like Carrots and Parsnips. The first thing the latter do is to send down their tap root, if it gets bent or damaged then the resulting plant will have a lumpy root when lifted. |
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David Hill wrote: On 03/06/2015 00:04, philgurr wrote: "Roger Tonkin" wrote in message ... Whilst in Homebase this afternoon, I wandered around the garden bit and noticed among other vegetables, they were selling small trays of carrotts, each with 6-8 clumps of quite tall seedlings. Instructions of the tray said palnt out in frost free soil! No indication of whether you should break up the clumps or of distance. I was always lead to belive that transplanting of root vegetables like carrots/parsnips/swedes etc was a no no, as they roots would split or not form properly. Is this true? If so how do Homebase justify selling them like this? It is not true. I have grown beetroot successfully in cells in the greenhouse for years before planting outside and had a good crop every year. I shall be planting out in a weeks time here in the far north, when we will probably be free of frost (although this year there is no certainty !!!). It is the only way that we can get a long enough growing season. There is a difference between crops like Beetroot and Swedes, and long rooted veg like Carrots and Parsnips. The first thing the latter do is to send down their tap root, if it gets bent or damaged then the resulting plant will have a lumpy root when lifted. And even more important difference is whether they are Umbelliferae; none of them like root disturbance, and some really hate it. I do transplant some of them (e.g. parsley), but there's a high loss rate. Cruciferae tend to be a lot more tolerant of root disturbance. So, it's not likely to work for carrots and parsnips on two grounds, and it REALLY doesn't work for salsify and scorzonera (even though they are Compositae, which usually transplant), for the reasons you give, redoubled in spades and with icing on top. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Nick Maclaren wrote:
snipped So, it's not likely to work for carrots and parsnips on two grounds, and it REALLY doesn't work for salsify and scorzonera (even though they are Compositae, which usually transplant), for the reasons you give, redoubled in spades and with icing on top. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Every spring I start my parsnips in tubes made of newspaper filled with good seed compost. Two seeds in each tube and pinch out one before planting out when the plant shows two leaves. I agree with an earlier posting you need to get them in the ground before the tap root gets to the bottomof the tube. I do parsnips this way as they are very long to germinate and seeds planted in the "wild" often get lost and need thinning out and this method works well. I only do this with parnips among the root crops. I've never tried carrotts and inview of the number of carrotts you would need to plant out it would be a labour similar to that of the ancient Sisyphus. Peter -- It is necessary for the good man to do nothing for evil to triumph. Attributed to Edmund Burke 1729 - 1797 |
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Peter James wrote: So, it's not likely to work for carrots and parsnips on two grounds, and it REALLY doesn't work for salsify and scorzonera (even though they are Compositae, which usually transplant), for the reasons you give, redoubled in spades and with icing on top. Every spring I start my parsnips in tubes made of newspaper filled with good seed compost. Two seeds in each tube and pinch out one before planting out when the plant shows two leaves. I agree with an earlier posting you need to get them in the ground before the tap root gets to the bottomof the tube. I do parsnips this way as they are very long to germinate and seeds planted in the "wild" often get lost and need thinning out and this method works well. Now, that IS an interesting idea! I do that with Phaseolus beans, because there is something in my soil that attacks them while they are germinating, and they do better if grown hotter initially. And sweetcorn. But I gave up on parsnips ages ago, because I couldn't get them to a decent size. So thanks for the idea. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote ...
Peter James wrote: So, it's not likely to work for carrots and parsnips on two grounds, and it REALLY doesn't work for salsify and scorzonera (even though they are Compositae, which usually transplant), for the reasons you give, redoubled in spades and with icing on top. Every spring I start my parsnips in tubes made of newspaper filled with good seed compost. Two seeds in each tube and pinch out one before planting out when the plant shows two leaves. I agree with an earlier posting you need to get them in the ground before the tap root gets to the bottomof the tube. I do parsnips this way as they are very long to germinate and seeds planted in the "wild" often get lost and need thinning out and this method works well. Now, that IS an interesting idea! I do that with Phaseolus beans, because there is something in my soil that attacks them while they are germinating, and they do better if grown hotter initially. And sweetcorn. But I gave up on parsnips ages ago, because I couldn't get them to a decent size. So thanks for the idea. If you don't want to use toilet rolls then how about Rootrainers especially the deep ones which I currently use for runner beans. http://rootrainers.co.uk/rootrainers/index.php -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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Bob Hobden wrote: So, it's not likely to work for carrots and parsnips on two grounds, and it REALLY doesn't work for salsify and scorzonera (even though they are Compositae, which usually transplant), for the reasons you give, redoubled in spades and with icing on top. Every spring I start my parsnips in tubes made of newspaper filled with good seed compost. Two seeds in each tube and pinch out one before planting out when the plant shows two leaves. I agree with an earlier posting you need to get them in the ground before the tap root gets to the bottomof the tube. I do parsnips this way as they are very long to germinate and seeds planted in the "wild" often get lost and need thinning out and this method works well. Now, that IS an interesting idea! I do that with Phaseolus beans, because there is something in my soil that attacks them while they are germinating, and they do better if grown hotter initially. And sweetcorn. But I gave up on parsnips ages ago, because I couldn't get them to a decent size. So thanks for the idea. If you don't want to use toilet rolls then how about Rootrainers especially the deep ones which I currently use for runner beans. http://rootrainers.co.uk/rootrainers/index.php I make my own, which work well. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"David Hill" wrote in message ... On 03/06/2015 00:04, philgurr wrote: "Roger Tonkin" wrote in message ... Whilst in Homebase this afternoon, I wandered around the garden bit and noticed among other vegetables, they were selling small trays of carrotts, each with 6-8 clumps of quite tall seedlings. Instructions of the tray said palnt out in frost free soil! No indication of whether you should break up the clumps or of distance. I was always lead to belive that transplanting of root vegetables like carrots/parsnips/swedes etc was a no no, as they roots would split or not form properly. Is this true? If so how do Homebase justify selling them like this? It is not true. I have grown beetroot successfully in cells in the greenhouse for years before planting outside and had a good crop every year. I shall be planting out in a weeks time here in the far north, when we will probably be free of frost (although this year there is no certainty !!!). It is the only way that we can get a long enough growing season. Phil 40 miles N. of Inverness There is a difference between crops like Beetroot and Swedes, and long rooted veg like Carrots and Parsnips. The first thing the latter do is to send down their tap root, if it gets bent or damaged then the resulting plant will have a lumpy root when lifted. I always understood it was a bad idea to transplant carrots, but I am happy to be proved wrong. |
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On 14/06/2015 18:12, Christina Websell wrote:
"David Hill" wrote in message ... On 03/06/2015 00:04, philgurr wrote: "Roger Tonkin" wrote in message ... Whilst in Homebase this afternoon, I wandered around the garden bit and noticed among other vegetables, they were selling small trays of carrotts, each with 6-8 clumps of quite tall seedlings. Instructions of the tray said palnt out in frost free soil! No indication of whether you should break up the clumps or of distance. I was always lead to belive that transplanting of root vegetables like carrots/parsnips/swedes etc was a no no, as they roots would split or not form properly. Is this true? If so how do Homebase justify selling them like this? It is not true. I have grown beetroot successfully in cells in the greenhouse for years before planting outside and had a good crop every year. I shall be planting out in a weeks time here in the far north, when we will probably be free of frost (although this year there is no certainty !!!). It is the only way that we can get a long enough growing season. Phil 40 miles N. of Inverness There is a difference between crops like Beetroot and Swedes, and long rooted veg like Carrots and Parsnips. The first thing the latter do is to send down their tap root, if it gets bent or damaged then the resulting plant will have a lumpy root when lifted. I always understood it was a bad idea to transplant carrots, but I am happy to be proved wrong. Visiting Wyevale the other day I saw they had packs of Radish plants |
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David Hill wrote: On 14/06/2015 18:12, Christina Websell wrote: "David Hill" wrote in message ... There is a difference between crops like Beetroot and Swedes, and long rooted veg like Carrots and Parsnips. The first thing the latter do is to send down their tap root, if it gets bent or damaged then the resulting plant will have a lumpy root when lifted. I always understood it was a bad idea to transplant carrots, but I am happy to be proved wrong. Visiting Wyevale the other day I saw they had packs of Radish plants Radishes are Cruciferae, not Umbelliferae, and are not tap-rooted. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 15/06/2015 12:55, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , David Hill wrote: On 14/06/2015 18:12, Christina Websell wrote: "David Hill" wrote in message ... There is a difference between crops like Beetroot and Swedes, and long rooted veg like Carrots and Parsnips. The first thing the latter do is to send down their tap root, if it gets bent or damaged then the resulting plant will have a lumpy root when lifted. I always understood it was a bad idea to transplant carrots, but I am happy to be proved wrong. Visiting Wyevale the other day I saw they had packs of Radish plants Radishes are Cruciferae, not Umbelliferae, and are not tap-rooted. Regards, Nick Maclaren. I know, but who would want to transplant something so fast growing. |
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On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 20:35:26 +0100, Roger Tonkin wrote:
In article , says... I always understood it was a bad idea to transplant carrots, but I am happy to be proved wrong. I think you are very wise. A friend bought a pack from Homebase (at half price), disentangled the roots and planted them out - Yesterday - nothing left!!! I had warned him, but I think that Homebase is very dishonest selling things like that, especially with no warning. Plant them in guttering, then slip the whole thing into a similarly shaped 'trench'. -- Jim S |
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Good afternoon, all.
I read all the messages in this thread and are still waiting for a definite statement. Unfortunately, carrots are a sensible subject in Normandy and I cannot make my own experience this year (I may, next year and tell you about it). On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 22:53:43 +0100, Roger Tonkin wrote: Whilst in Homebase this afternoon, I wandered around the garden bit (...) If so how do Homebase justify selling them like this? My question is a different one: Why doesn't any of you actually ask them ? If there is something to gain from the communication with so-called experts, we should by all means hear them. On the other hand, “experience is the enemy of the better“ (myself june 2015) and „Experience is nothing! You can do things the wrong way for 35 years.“ (Kurt Tucholsky, around 1928). Michael -- Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France GnuPG/OpenPGP 4096R/3216CF02 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] sub 4096R/2751C550 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] [Next key will use elliptic-curve algorithm! :-) Get GnuPG!!] |
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Good afternoon.
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 09:51:18 +0100, David Hill wrote: There is a difference between crops like Beetroot and Swedes, and long rooted veg like Carrots and Parsnips. The first thing the latter do is to send down their tap root, if it gets bent or damaged then the resulting plant will have a lumpy root when lifted. This is true for carrots sawn on unsuitable soil. I do not yet see the inevitability of malformed carrots because they have been replanted. Other things may happen, but you haven't mentioned any, for the time. -- Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France GnuPG/OpenPGP 4096R/3216CF02 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] sub 4096R/2751C550 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] [Next key will use elliptic-curve algorithm! :-) Get GnuPG!!] |
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On 16/06/2015 16:05, Michael Uplawski wrote:
Good afternoon. On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 09:51:18 +0100, David Hill wrote: There is a difference between crops like Beetroot and Swedes, and long rooted veg like Carrots and Parsnips. The first thing the latter do is to send down their tap root, if it gets bent or damaged then the resulting plant will have a lumpy root when lifted. This is true for carrots sawn on unsuitable soil. I do not yet see the inevitability of malformed carrots because they have been replanted. Other things may happen, but you haven't mentioned any, for the time. Isn't the main problem that damage from handling them inevitably advertises their location to every carrot fly and slug for miles around. There is a problem that an ordinary seed tray may not be deep enough... I am used to random shaped root vegetables my garden consists of mostly of glacial morain boulder clay with a good mix of stones in it. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Martin Brown wrote: On 16/06/2015 16:05, Michael Uplawski wrote: On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 09:51:18 +0100, David Hill wrote: There is a difference between crops like Beetroot and Swedes, and long rooted veg like Carrots and Parsnips. The first thing the latter do is to send down their tap root, if it gets bent or damaged then the resulting plant will have a lumpy root when lifted. This is true for carrots sawn on unsuitable soil. I do not yet see the inevitability of malformed carrots because they have been replanted. Other things may happen, but you haven't mentioned any, for the time. Isn't the main problem that damage from handling them inevitably advertises their location to every carrot fly and slug for miles around. No. The main one is that they produce a single tap root, with a lot of very flimsy feeding roots coming off it. It is very hard to transplant them without damaging the former, or stripping off the latter. But the fly issue is significant, too. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 16/06/2015 12:15, Michael Uplawski wrote:
Good afternoon, all. I read all the messages in this thread and are still waiting for a definite statement. Unfortunately, carrots are a sensible subject in Normandy and I cannot make my own experience this year (I may, next year and tell you about it). On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 22:53:43 +0100, Roger Tonkin wrote: Whilst in Homebase this afternoon, I wandered around the garden bit (...) If so how do Homebase justify selling them like this? My question is a different one: Why doesn't any of you actually ask them ? If there is something to gain from the communication with so-called experts, we should by all means hear them. On the other hand, “experience is the enemy of the better“ (myself june 2015) and „Experience is nothing! You can do things the wrong way for 35 years.“ (Kurt Tucholsky, around 1928). You may not have seen the state of plants in the likes of Homebase. They offer buy & die plants for sale sometimes already dead before they leave the shop. It isn't unusual to see trolley loads of plants dying for lack of water in these places. No point in reasoning with them! That said there are sometimes (rarely) bargains to be had. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:49:35 +0100,
Martin Brown wrote: You may not have seen the state of plants in the likes of Homebase. I definitely have not. Thanks for clarifying. They offer buy & die plants for sale sometimes already dead before they leave the shop. It isn't unusual to see trolley loads of plants dying for lack of water in these places. No point in reasoning with them! Okay. That kind of shop. That said there are sometimes (rarely) bargains to be had. Like the 50 leeks we got for a bargain price at « Point Vert ». We've planted all 35 in one aftern... wait. Michael -- Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France GnuPG/OpenPGP 4096R/3216CF02 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] sub 4096R/2751C550 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] [Next key will use elliptic-curve algorithm! :-) Get GnuPG!!] |
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