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What is the best tool to cut this down
I have a neighbour that I'd like to cut his tree down for him, but have
no garden tools myself once i have spoken to him and got his permission what tool/tools would be best to hire/buy for the job? I don't mind buying some tools like a saw as i would be able to use that again myself indoors but any gardening tools over £20 i think i'd rather hire, i do have ladders that go up about 6 foot but wonder what your thoughts are. The tree in question is below: http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...psxr3jwxri.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pstaiajdgl.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pspi5n41xe.jpg |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:39:56 +0000, Jim
wrote: I have a neighbour that I'd like to cut his tree down for him, but have no garden tools myself once i have spoken to him and got his permission what tool/tools would be best to hire/buy for the job? http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...psxr3jwxri.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pstaiajdgl.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pspi5n41xe.jpg Get a tree surgeon in, you don't have a lot of room there. Don't wish to appear too rude but if you have to ask what you need it suggests that you aren't experienced in cutting down trees. It may only be a small tree but there is still a lot of weight in those branches to do damage. First timers may be able to fell such a tree if there is space for it to fall clear into an open space such as a field and then thin down the branches but you don't appear to have that space. the limbs will be safer removed before the trunk and that needs agility a knowledge of ropes to lower them and an appreciation of how uneven weight distribution of a branch will affect the way it swings after being cut. It doesn't look like the land in the photos is owned by you or your neighbour, do have public liability insurance ? There is something strange about your request anyway if you haven't yet asked his permission, it looks like you have promised to sell someone some wood for their stove because tarmacing drives has gone slack. Apologies if I've been too rude. G.Harman |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
Jim wrote:
I have a neighbour that I'd like to cut his tree down for him, but have no garden tools myself once i have spoken to him and got his permission what tool/tools would be best to hire/buy for the job? If I was doing it, I would first gradually work away at the smaller branches, from the safety of the ground, using my telescopic pruner: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 There are plenty of designs about, here is a much cheaper one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-6Telescopic-Extendable-High-Quality-Reach-Garden-Tree-Branch-Pruner-Cut-Lopper-/122367308938 If you can reach, you might alternatively be able to do it with a pair of loppers: http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Landscaping/d130/Secateurs%2C+Loppers+%26+Pruners/sd3181/Spear+%26+Jackson+Telescopic+Bypass+Lopper/p93471 Then I would work on the larger branches with a bow saw, taking care not to cut off a section so heavy that I could not control it when it fell http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Landscaping/d130/Garden+Saws/sd3265/Bow+Saw/p41388 I guess you are wanting to remove the tree completely. If so, leave at least a metre of trunk, so that you have leverage as you dig and chop (using implements of your choice) around the roots and try to get it free. Eye protection is worth wearing. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:39:56 +0000, Jim
wrote: I have a neighbour that I'd like to cut his tree down for him, but have no garden tools myself once i have spoken to him and got his permission what tool/tools would be best to hire/buy for the job? Bow Saw, take off what you can, a little at a time, and then stop if you feel it is getting beyond you. |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 00:59:54 +0000, Jim
wrote: On 14/03/2017 23:18, wrote: On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:39:56 +0000, Jim wrote: I have a neighbour that I'd like to cut his tree down for him, but have no garden tools myself once i have spoken to him and got his permission what tool/tools would be best to hire/buy for the job? Get a tree surgeon in, you don't have a lot of room there First timers may be able to fell such a tree if there is space for it to fall clear into an open space such as a field and then thin down the branches but you don't appear to have that space. the limbs will be safer removed before the trunk and that needs agility There is something strange about your request anyway if you haven't yet asked his permission, Apologies if I've been too rude. G.Harman Apologies accepted, I do find it a wee bit offensive re the tarmacking dig. There is nothing underhand going on, it's a pain for him as well as me and was going to do him a favor (and myself), public liability insurance you must be joking. Tree surgeon is a joke i'm not made of money, my plan was to tackle it a bit at a time, not chop it from the bottom, Fair comment, I was a little harsh. You can get a reasonable quality bow saw from screwfix for around £10,they had one shown up in their promotional email yesterday. That isn't too much of an investment to experiment with and see if you have the agility and stamina to climb the tree bearing in mind we don't know if you are a fit twenty something who will bounce or an older person who isn't so supple. A bow saw is far more controllable than any power tool while clinging on and if it goes pear shaped won't have the risks of a something like a small chainsaw which can injure in a millisecond. You are going to have to climb quite high to start sawing of those limbs , perhaps have a dummy run first to see if you are happy with that. Many people underestimate how high a tree is , compare it with the building and consider if you would be happy balancing on a ledge of similar height. And while those branches look thin and spindly it is surprising how the weight adds up. So if you are up for it climb the tree with bow saw and carefully saw the off limbs of first a pruner that can cut through the smaller up to 1" thick stuff will be useful as well. , The bow saw will let the process happen slow enough that the branch end lowers slowly to the ground before you finally cut it all the way through giving a degree of control. Try and remove them from opposite sides as you go so the tree remains balanced in case you have to give up or do the job over a period of time. Don't underestimate the amount of material you are going to end up with to get rid of and will need to work around on the ground. Still risky because of the proximity to the car parking area which presumably cannot be closed off to everybody, you only need a bit of branch to bounce onto someone's car and they may want recompense which may not actually be realistic for the damage caused. G.Harman |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
On 15/03/2017 00:59, Jim wrote:
On 14/03/2017 23:18, wrote: On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:39:56 +0000, Jim wrote: I have a neighbour that I'd like to cut his tree down for him, but have no garden tools myself once i have spoken to him and got his permission what tool/tools would be best to hire/buy for the job? http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...psxr3jwxri.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pstaiajdgl.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pspi5n41xe.jpg Get a tree surgeon in, you don't have a lot of room there. Don't wish to appear too rude but if you have to ask what you need it suggests that you aren't experienced in cutting down trees. It may only be a small tree but there is still a lot of weight in those branches to do damage. +1 First timers may be able to fell such a tree if there is space for it to fall clear into an open space such as a field and then thin down the branches but you don't appear to have that space. the limbs will be safer removed before the trunk and that needs agility a knowledge of ropes to lower them and an appreciation of how uneven weight distribution of a branch will affect the way it swings after being cut. +2 I saw some cowboys cut down or rather try to since they gave up after a while a largish messy sycamore tree in my parents neighbours garden. It made fascinating watching with one guy high in the tree randomly cutting off bits that fell on the other and at one point cartoon style sat on the branch he was sawing through. Even sat on the right side the recoil of the bow as the large heavy piece fell off was impressive and nearly caused him to fall. The guy on the ground had no idea how heavy it would be and just let go of the rope - big bang and no garden shed. It was very Laurel and Hardy. Dumb as rocks! It doesn't look like the land in the photos is owned by you or your neighbour, do have public liability insurance ? It is a risk when felling trees. Tree surgeon is a joke i'm not made of money, my plan was to tackle it a bit at a time, not chop it from the bottom, you are right i know nothing about this kind of thing which is why i came here, sure if i had the funds i'd go pro route but that is out of the question. I do have access to his back garden, and will have 3 car parking spaces at least to play with so room is not an issue. I think you will find that room is an issue when you start cutting it down it will fill a lot of space. If I was going to do it I'd wear my hard hat and use a pair of heavy duty bypass loppers to take off all the thin growth to about 1" diameter and get rid of that. Then use a pruning saw or bow saw and rope supports to cut off the limbs off in manageable chunks. It will be hard work by hand. More than you think. But don't be tempted to attack it with a chainsaw unless you want to be entered for this years Darwin awards. You haven't got long to do it now before it is out of bounds on the grounds of nesting birds. In fact you may well already be out of time with it already in leaf so it will be a job for next year. Oh and i have not asked his permission yet as i wanted to make sure i could get it done before i spoke to him, not everyone is out to screw people, best you don't judge me by your own standards. Jim Does he want it taken down or do you? -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
On 14/03/2017 22:39, Jim wrote:
I have a neighbour that I'd like to cut his tree down for him, but have no garden tools myself once i have spoken to him and got his permission what tool/tools would be best to hire/buy for the job? I don't mind buying some tools like a saw as i would be able to use that again myself indoors but any gardening tools over £20 i think i'd rather hire, i do have ladders that go up about 6 foot but wonder what your thoughts are. The tree in question is below: http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...psxr3jwxri.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pstaiajdgl.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pspi5n41xe.jpg I would highly recommend you buy or hire a telescopic pole pruning saw first of all.I have one I bought for around a tenner from Lidl several years ago. You would be surprised how much you can cut down with one. Be prepared for a lot of branches to dispose of. And of course wear goggles. Mike |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
Martin Brown wrote:
I saw some cowboys cut down or rather try to since they gave up after a while a largish messy sycamore tree in my parents neighbours garden. It made fascinating watching with one guy high in the tree randomly cutting off bits that fell on the other and at one point cartoon style sat on the branch he was sawing through. A neighbour of mine, after having been ripped off by itinerants (they had invented a story that there had been complaints, and he had to let them do the work) who left him with unbelievably mangled eyesores of trees, plus all the trimmings for him to dispose of, apparently went with a garden landscape firm to clear the lot, and give the plot a bit of a makeover. They had the remains of a reasonably large conifer to bring down, without room to drop it in one. I saw no goggles, ear defenders, or safety clothing in evidence whilst using a chain saw. An extended sectional ladder rested against the tree, but wasn't secured to it. There was some form of primitive personal safety loop, but it was only clipped to the ladder, the top rung of which rested insecurely against the curve of the trunk. As they worked down from the top, the chain saw was deployed at about head height but, having no goggles, the operator was showered with sawdust and had to look away from the cut. Meanwhile the second man had to leave his position footing the ladder to heave on the rope hoping (but not succeeding) to persuade the section to fall the right way. To my surprise they survived, but that is simply not the way to do it. At almost every stage they progressed in such a tentative way, that it seemed to me that they were way out of their depth. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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Janet wrote: So if you are up for it climb the tree with bow saw Ignore this bad advice. Do NOT climb the tree holding or using sharp tools. On that tree you should be able to do the whole job safely from ground level, starting with the lower branches first, and working from the outside towards the trunk as Chris said. Aim for debris to drop onto clear ground. And, if you can't, an INDUSTRIAL step ladder or small scaffolding tower is essential. Unless you really know what you are doing, using a plain ladder is a Really Bad Idea - there are more things that can go wrong than tyres can imagine. Most domestic step ladders are ricketty and have too small a base. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
On 15/03/2017 10:51, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Martin Brown wrote: I saw some cowboys cut down or rather try to since they gave up after a while a largish messy sycamore tree in my parents neighbours garden. It made fascinating watching with one guy high in the tree randomly cutting off bits that fell on the other and at one point cartoon style sat on the branch he was sawing through. As they worked down from the top, the chain saw was deployed at about head height but, having no goggles, the operator was showered with sawdust and had to look away from the cut. Meanwhile the second man had to leave his position footing the ladder to heave on the rope hoping (but not succeeding) to persuade the section to fall the right way. Chainsaws are scary at the best of times but up at height and without PPE is a Darwin award just waiting to happen... To my surprise they survived, but that is simply not the way to do it. At almost every stage they progressed in such a tentative way, that it seemed to me that they were way out of their depth. The best team I ever saw did a line of overgrown cherry trees in another neighbour's garden. They were 50' tall after decades unchecked growth. Tree surgeon advised taking 50% off but owner insisted on 30%. Team of three, one a nimble climber with a chainsaw and tied into the strongest high branch another with a rope to control descent and a boss man who looked at the tree from a distance and told the guy with the chainsaw what and where to cut. They were truly professional about it and did a really nice job leaving perfectly balanced trees afterwards. Predictably the trees responded with immediate rapid regrowth so the surgeons were right about taking them down to half size. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
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says... On 15/03/2017 10:51, Chris J Dixon wrote: Martin Brown wrote: I saw some cowboys cut down or rather try to since they gave up after a while a largish messy sycamore tree in my parents neighbours garden. It made fascinating watching with one guy high in the tree randomly cutting off bits that fell on the other and at one point cartoon style sat on the branch he was sawing through. As they worked down from the top, the chain saw was deployed at about head height but, having no goggles, the operator was showered with sawdust and had to look away from the cut. Meanwhile the second man had to leave his position footing the ladder to heave on the rope hoping (but not succeeding) to persuade the section to fall the right way. Chainsaws are scary at the best of times but up at height and without PPE is a Darwin award just waiting to happen... I think that any trees that would need the attention of a chainsaw at any height are best left to the professionals. It is worthwhile googling chain saw accidents. To my surprise they survived, but that is simply not the way to do it. At almost every stage they progressed in such a tentative way, that it seemed to me that they were way out of their depth. The best team I ever saw did a line of overgrown cherry trees in another neighbour's garden. They were 50' tall after decades unchecked growth. Tree surgeon advised taking 50% off but owner insisted on 30%. Team of three, one a nimble climber with a chainsaw and tied into the strongest high branch another with a rope to control descent and a boss man who looked at the tree from a distance and told the guy with the chainsaw what and where to cut. They were truly professional about it and did a really nice job leaving perfectly balanced trees afterwards. Predictably the trees responded with immediate rapid regrowth so the surgeons were right about taking them down to half size. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 15/03/2017 09:48, Martin Brown wrote:
Does he want it taken down or do you? To be honest both of us want it gone, he can't be arsed to do it. |
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What is the best tool to cut this down
On 15/03/2017 10:02, Muddymike wrote:
On 14/03/2017 22:39, Jim wrote: I have a neighbour that I'd like to cut his tree down for him, but have no garden tools myself once i have spoken to him and got his permission what tool/tools would be best to hire/buy for the job? I don't mind buying some tools like a saw as i would be able to use that again myself indoors but any gardening tools over £20 i think i'd rather hire, i do have ladders that go up about 6 foot but wonder what your thoughts are. The tree in question is below: http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...psxr3jwxri.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pstaiajdgl.jpg http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/...pspi5n41xe.jpg I would highly recommend you buy or hire a telescopic pole pruning saw first of all.I have one I bought for around a tenner from Lidl several years ago. You would be surprised how much you can cut down with one. Be prepared for a lot of branches to dispose of. And of course wear goggles. Mike OK thanks for everyones replies, i do have my own hard hat and goggles and would be using them, as for my health well 50 and not the fittest guy in the world, as have seen too many "You've been framed moments" of people up ladders doing this and screwing it up and putting themselves in hospital so hopefully i work on the side of caution rather then gun ho attitute. My plan is to tackle is little bit at a time, not just go in and hack the main branches off, I know the car park well and there are very few cars here during the day so room is not an issue for bits falling into car park side, neighbours garden is empty bar a kids bike which i would move to far side of garden, as for the rubbish this is an issue, as we no longer get garden waste picked up by council for free, but i have spoken to them and offer a service where you pay £16 and you gt 10 pick ups of larger items (beds etc) but this also includes garden waste so ring and book a pick up day so i will pay for that, rather then pay someone else to dump it in country lane. I will NOT be climbing the tree that is for sure. I was looking at hiring (or even buying then selling on) something like this http://www.argos.co.uk/product/3595330 or http://www.argos.co.uk/product/6347231 i wanted to stay with electric and away from petrol, the beauty of this (IMHO) is i can pick away at the tree bit by bit, i was thinking i'd loose about 30% when selling on which is fine by me. Jim |
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