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Drakanthus 08-07-2003 11:40 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
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Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k? We
don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi derelict
will suffice.

By the standards of most modern properties we have a large garden, but it
has been bursting at the seams for some time, so we have now put our
property on the market simply to find a property with a bigger garden -
ideally 1/4 acre upwards. Nightmare trying to find anywhere though.
We want to move to anywhere within 30 miles of either the South coast of
England or Cornwall, Devon or South Wales, but none of the online property
web sites have a search criterion for "Big Garden". Trying to find the email
addresses of estate agents in all these areas is proving tricky - it seems
the larger the estate agent the less easy they are to contact by email - and
I am reluctant to phone over 300 estate agents!

Short of having our brains lobotomised to remove our passion for gardening,
I am open to any advice or suggestions - anyone?

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Jo Ling 08-07-2003 11:40 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

Drakanthus wrote in message
...
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k?

We
don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi derelict
will suffice.


Um ... Mid Lothian? Outer Hebrides? Abergrynfynwy?

Seriously, though, I think you'll be stretching it a bit, especially if
you're looking at the south coast of England. And "large garden" in estate
agents' speak translates to "kitchen window must be more than 3ft from back
fence", so you won't get much luck there. Dunno what to suggest, really -
perhaps just specify your spending limit to estate agents (I mean, they
barely understand that, on the whole) and be prepared for a lot of
"filtering" of the results!

Good luck!

Jo





anne 08-07-2003 11:40 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
Lincolnshire is your best bet - lots of houses in the middle of fields etc,
but even house prices there are getting ridiculous.

"Jo Ling" wrote in message
...

Drakanthus wrote in message
...
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out

there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k?

We
don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi

derelict
will suffice.


Um ... Mid Lothian? Outer Hebrides? Abergrynfynwy?

Seriously, though, I think you'll be stretching it a bit, especially if
you're looking at the south coast of England. And "large garden" in

estate
agents' speak translates to "kitchen window must be more than 3ft from

back
fence", so you won't get much luck there. Dunno what to suggest, really -
perhaps just specify your spending limit to estate agents (I mean, they
barely understand that, on the whole) and be prepared for a lot of
"filtering" of the results!

Good luck!

Jo







bnd777 08-07-2003 11:40 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
I am afraid that unless you look in Kent maybe I doubt you will find
anything with a large garden in your price range
John Prescotts latest increase in density allowed has nearly every large
garden being allowed permision for 6 houses or 26 flats in our neck of the
South


"Drakanthus" wrote in message
...
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k?

We
don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi derelict
will suffice.

By the standards of most modern properties we have a large garden, but it
has been bursting at the seams for some time, so we have now put our
property on the market simply to find a property with a bigger garden -
ideally 1/4 acre upwards. Nightmare trying to find anywhere though.
We want to move to anywhere within 30 miles of either the South coast of
England or Cornwall, Devon or South Wales, but none of the online property
web sites have a search criterion for "Big Garden". Trying to find the

email
addresses of estate agents in all these areas is proving tricky - it seems
the larger the estate agent the less easy they are to contact by email -

and
I am reluctant to phone over 300 estate agents!

Short of having our brains lobotomised to remove our passion for

gardening,
I am open to any advice or suggestions - anyone?

--
Drakanthus.


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Jim W 08-07-2003 11:41 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
Drakanthus wrote:


Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k? We
don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi derelict
will suffice.

By the standards of most modern properties we have a large garden, but it
has been bursting at the seams for some time, so we have now put our
property on the market simply to find a property with a bigger garden -
ideally 1/4 acre upwards. Nightmare trying to find anywhere though.
We want to move to anywhere within 30 miles of either the South coast of
England or Cornwall, Devon or South Wales, but none of the online property
web sites have a search criterion for "Big Garden". Trying to find the email
addresses of estate agents in all these areas is proving tricky - it seems
the larger the estate agent the less easy they are to contact by email - and
I am reluctant to phone over 300 estate agents!


Rubbish I'm afraid!-)_
.... Plenty of the sites have search specs for land and 'big garden or
smallholding.. Try www.propertyfinder.co.uk and similar listed in the
Google directory..

Depends what you call BIG as well!-)

Also have you tried online editions of local newspapers etc.. Ususally
you can subscribe to some of these (either the website or the paper
edition)

There are several others which i don't remember off the top of my head..
Possibly you are not searching for the correct terms....

A quick search on google revealed the following
http://www.ruralindex.net/property.html

http://www.nitro-shopping.co.uk/Home...l%20properties
%20sale%20in%20cornwall.html

http://www.ruralscene.co.uk/

http://www.google.com/search?client=...nts%20Cornwall
%20UK

http://www.bellingram.co.uk/

http://www.farminguk.co.uk/auctioneers.htm

etc etc


//
Jim

Short of having our brains lobotomised to remove our passion for gardening,
I am open to any advice or suggestions - anyone?


Kay Easton 08-07-2003 11:42 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
In article ,
Drakanthus writes
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k? We
don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi derelict
will suffice.

By the standards of most modern properties we have a large garden, but it
has been bursting at the seams for some time, so we have now put our
property on the market simply to find a property with a bigger garden -
ideally 1/4 acre upwards. Nightmare trying to find anywhere though.
We want to move to anywhere within 30 miles of either the South coast of
England or Cornwall, Devon or South Wales, but none of the online property
web sites have a search criterion for "Big Garden". Trying to find the email
addresses of estate agents in all these areas is proving tricky - it seems
the larger the estate agent the less easy they are to contact by email - and
I am reluctant to phone over 300 estate agents!


When Janet T was trying a similar search, the estate agent said 'Ah -
you mean *land*' ;-)


--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Drakanthus 08-07-2003 11:42 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
... Plenty of the sites have search specs for land and 'big garden or
smallholding.. Try www.propertyfinder.co.uk and similar listed in the
Google directory..


I just tried that one. With search criteria of up to £150k and Cornwall it
says no properties are available - and suggests I WIDEN the search criteria!
Same for Devon too. Somehow I don't believe the results!
I probably need to NARROW the search results and do individual searches for
each individual town along the coast. Frustrating.
I tried a site earlier today that with numerous searches gave email
addresses of estate agents all round the coast. The emails all go via the
web site who must be acting as a partner. It took me hours. They have all
bounced as undeliverable - a complete waste of an afternoon.

I registered with the Rightmove web site and now can't logon due to a
technical fault at their end.

Some other web sites act as partners for several estate agents and don't
display a top navigation bar. Fine until you find yourself viewing the
details of a property and they haven't put a "Back" button on the form and
you need to close down the window and start the entire search process from
scratch again.

One thing I have learnt from this exercise - some web sites are much easier
to use and navigate than others. Some insist on taking you up the garden
path (wish they did literally) and have cluttered screens with too much to
read to get to where you want.

I'm sure the right property exists somewhere out there with a vendor keen to
sell and us keen to buy. Putting the two together is the tricky bit.

Moan over. I feel better now. It has been a frustrating day searching.
Hopefully better luck tomorrow.
I have already tried some of your other suggestions with no luck, but will
try the rest tomorrow.

Drakanthus.




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K 08-07-2003 11:42 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

"Drakanthus" wrote in message
...
: Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out there
: for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k?
We
: don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi derelict
: will suffice.
:
: By the standards of most modern properties we have a large garden, but it
: has been bursting at the seams for some time, so we have now put our
: property on the market simply to find a property with a bigger garden -
: ideally 1/4 acre upwards. Nightmare trying to find anywhere though.
: We want to move to anywhere within 30 miles of either the South coast of
: England or Cornwall, Devon or South Wales, but none of the online property
: web sites have a search criterion for "Big Garden". Trying to find the
email
: addresses of estate agents in all these areas is proving tricky - it seems
: the larger the estate agent the less easy they are to contact by email -
and
: I am reluctant to phone over 300 estate agents!
:
: Short of having our brains lobotomised to remove our passion for
gardening,
: I am open to any advice or suggestions - anyone?
:
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I would have thought you were looking in the wrong areas for something at
that price, but having said that I have a friend who lives in a council
house in SW London and she has a large garden because her house happens to
be in the corner of a cul de sac.

If all else fails have you thought of having an allotment, or finding
somewhere closeby where the owners don't want to garden and you could do and
enjoy theirs as well, or starting a community gardening project?

K



Roy Forster 08-07-2003 11:42 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
You don't fancy moving abroad do you. Better climate for gardening and all
that. Lots of French property around, even with the Euro appreciating, which
is cheap by UK comparisons. I've seen lots of property with an acre or more
at very tempting prices.

Roy



Mark 08-07-2003 11:43 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
Drakanthus typed:

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out
there for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less
than 120k?


Well I bought a 150 acre farm for that !
Er it was 30years ago, have prices gone up ?



bnd777 09-07-2003 02:20 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
How about an allotment and staying where you are
probably a cheaper option


"Drakanthus" wrote in message
...
... Plenty of the sites have search specs for land and 'big garden or
smallholding.. Try www.propertyfinder.co.uk and similar listed in the
Google directory..


I just tried that one. With search criteria of up to £150k and Cornwall it
says no properties are available - and suggests I WIDEN the search

criteria!
Same for Devon too. Somehow I don't believe the results!
I probably need to NARROW the search results and do individual searches

for
each individual town along the coast. Frustrating.
I tried a site earlier today that with numerous searches gave email
addresses of estate agents all round the coast. The emails all go via the
web site who must be acting as a partner. It took me hours. They have all
bounced as undeliverable - a complete waste of an afternoon.

I registered with the Rightmove web site and now can't logon due to a
technical fault at their end.

Some other web sites act as partners for several estate agents and don't
display a top navigation bar. Fine until you find yourself viewing the
details of a property and they haven't put a "Back" button on the form and
you need to close down the window and start the entire search process from
scratch again.

One thing I have learnt from this exercise - some web sites are much

easier
to use and navigate than others. Some insist on taking you up the garden
path (wish they did literally) and have cluttered screens with too much to
read to get to where you want.

I'm sure the right property exists somewhere out there with a vendor keen

to
sell and us keen to buy. Putting the two together is the tricky bit.

Moan over. I feel better now. It has been a frustrating day searching.
Hopefully better luck tomorrow.
I have already tried some of your other suggestions with no luck, but will
try the rest tomorrow.

Drakanthus.




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Warwick Dumas 09-07-2003 02:20 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

Have you considered having a separate house and garden, or indeed flat and
garden? A flat doesn't have to be in the middle of a city; quite often you
get houses in small villages which are divided into flats. You might be able
to find some land for sale and somewhere to live within walking distance. My
own searches suggest that less than 10000 gets you a pretty decent amount of
land even down South.

This is the option that I am considering now because unless you move abroad,
you can then always keep the garden when you move. (The problem for me is my
cats.) And yes, moving abroad is I guess the ideal as someone said - we need
to get out of this horribly overcrowded country - but then one needs a job
there or to be retired. :--(

Warwick Dumas


"Drakanthus" wrote in message
...
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k?

We
don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi derelict
will suffice.

By the standards of most modern properties we have a large garden, but it
has been bursting at the seams for some time, so we have now put our
property on the market simply to find a property with a bigger garden -
ideally 1/4 acre upwards. Nightmare trying to find anywhere though.
We want to move to anywhere within 30 miles of either the South coast of
England or Cornwall, Devon or South Wales, but none of the online property
web sites have a search criterion for "Big Garden". Trying to find the

email
addresses of estate agents in all these areas is proving tricky - it seems
the larger the estate agent the less easy they are to contact by email -

and
I am reluctant to phone over 300 estate agents!

Short of having our brains lobotomised to remove our passion for

gardening,
I am open to any advice or suggestions - anyone?

--
Drakanthus.


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Warwick Dumas 09-07-2003 02:42 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

Have you considered having a separate house and garden, or indeed flat and
garden? A flat doesn't have to be in the middle of a city; quite often you
get houses in small villages which are divided into flats. You might be able
to find some land for sale and somewhere to live within walking distance. My
own searches suggest that less than 10000 gets you a pretty decent amount of
land even down South.

This is the option that I am considering now because unless you move abroad,
you can then always keep the garden when you move. (The problem for me is my
cats.) And yes, moving abroad is I guess the ideal as someone said - we need
to get out of this horribly overcrowded country - but then one needs a job
there or to be retired. :--(

Warwick Dumas


"Drakanthus" wrote in message
...
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k?

We
don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi derelict
will suffice.

By the standards of most modern properties we have a large garden, but it
has been bursting at the seams for some time, so we have now put our
property on the market simply to find a property with a bigger garden -
ideally 1/4 acre upwards. Nightmare trying to find anywhere though.
We want to move to anywhere within 30 miles of either the South coast of
England or Cornwall, Devon or South Wales, but none of the online property
web sites have a search criterion for "Big Garden". Trying to find the

email
addresses of estate agents in all these areas is proving tricky - it seems
the larger the estate agent the less easy they are to contact by email -

and
I am reluctant to phone over 300 estate agents!

Short of having our brains lobotomised to remove our passion for

gardening,
I am open to any advice or suggestions - anyone?

--
Drakanthus.


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Janet Baraclough 09-07-2003 02:49 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
The message
from "Drakanthus" contains these words:

... Plenty of the sites have search specs for land and 'big garden or
smallholding.. Try www.propertyfinder.co.uk and similar listed in the
Google directory..


I just tried that one. With search criteria of up to £150k and Cornwall it
says no properties are available - and suggests I WIDEN the search criteria!
Same for Devon too. Somehow I don't believe the results!


I think its possibly true. My guess is, for £120,000 you are not going
to get "land" plus a house in such a picturesque "tourism" area where
the second-home market heats prices.

You could widen your search by looking at average prices of property
in different areas of the UK and search where it's low.

Janet.



JennyC 09-07-2003 07:45 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

"Drakanthus" wrote
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out

there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than

120k?
snip
Drakanthus.


Have you tried google (advanced) with something like :

house "for sale" "large garden" acre coast

I got loads of hits............Jenny :~))



JennyC 09-07-2003 07:45 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

"Roy Forster" wrote in message
...
You don't fancy moving abroad do you. Better climate for gardening

and all
that. Lots of French property around, even with the Euro

appreciating, which
is cheap by UK comparisons. I've seen lots of property with an acre

or more
at very tempting prices.

Roy


If you do fancy France, the Dordogne is lovely and fairly cheap.
My mad friend Sue lives there and is an estate agent...........

http://green-acre.com/immorama/ (shameless bit of advertising !!)

Jenny :~))



JennyC 09-07-2003 07:45 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

"Warwick Dumas" wrote

Have you considered having a separate house and garden, or indeed

flat and
garden?


snipped

What a ghastly idea !!! One MUST be able to pop out the back door into
the garden :~))
Jenny



mick 09-07-2003 08:10 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

"Drakanthus" wrote in message
...
I just tried that one. With search criteria of up to £150k and Cornwall it
says no properties are available - and suggests I WIDEN the search

criteria!
Same for Devon too. Somehow I don't believe the results!
I probably need to NARROW the search results and do individual searches

for
each individual town along the coast. Frustrating.
I tried a site earlier today that with numerous searches gave email
addresses of estate agents all round the coast. The emails all go via the
web site who must be acting as a partner. It took me hours. They have all
bounced as undeliverable - a complete waste of an afternoon.


Well, first point is - what are you calling a big garden?

Second point is - are you really looking for Devon and Cornwall?
If so, then I think your chances are pretty slim.

I live in Cornwall. You cant look at an ordinary house with a postage stamp
garden for less than 150K generally here ( unless its mundic block!). An ex
council house will cost 85K

I think you are too late.

A house ( cottage down the road from me - 2 beds) was billed by the estate
agent to have a large garden ( 50ft x25 ish in my estimate) and went for
120K about a month ago.

The one the "other side " of me has a quater of an acre and he is asking
265K - although he has been on the market for 12 months now!

Me, I bought a two bed bungalow ( nothing fancy , in need of doing up) about
four years ago for 75K ( although the estate agent had priced it at 89K then
two years on the the market which was low at the time , and I was cheeky
and offered a quick sale)

.. It had a third of an acre but fields all around and I also asked a local
farmer for the field around my house - thats how I got my "garden" . But my
*garden* is still only a third of an acre - the rest is pasture and I have
trees in it ( fruit trees) because of agrecultural restrictions.

I am planning on asking permission for a poly tunnel soon though.

I recently asked an estate agent how much for my bungalow and garden (
didnt mention I had the field) just for a quick estimate on how much it had
gone up - he told me I would only get about 130K.

I thought he was quoting cheap ..... but he pointed out two beds run cheap
,even though I have a seperate dining room and a kitchen breakfast room and
a 20ft x12ft sitting room.

Having said that, it still might be possible to get a run down place with a
bit of land if you aren't too fussy where and away from the coast.

Have you tried Carrick or Restormal council districts? Or even parts of
North Cornwall District.

It really depends on what you want.

I think lots of folk are looking for what you are looking for.

Have you thought of asking "location Location Location" on Channel 4 to
help - weren't they looking for people the other day?




Barry & Iris McCanna 09-07-2003 09:44 AM

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"Roy Forster" wrote in message
...
You don't fancy moving abroad do you. Better climate for gardening

and all
that. Lots of French property around, even with the Euro

appreciating, which
is cheap by UK comparisons. I've seen lots of property with an acre

or more
at very tempting prices.

Roy


I was going to suggest that! We moved here at the end of 1997 and
have three acres with a 17th century farmhouse. Loads of space for
gardening. For the money you are planning to spend you would be
able to find a decent house plus a very good sized garden. Prices are
going up all the time, but £120,000 would still buy something good
here. Can heartily recommend the life.

Regards
Iris McCanna



Chris Norton 09-07-2003 09:56 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:13:24 +0100, "anne"
wrote:

Lincolnshire is your best bet - lots of houses in the middle of fields etc,
but even house prices there are getting ridiculous.


The day of the cheapy house in Lincolnshire has gone forever now.

Today in Boston if you want a nice 3 bed house with nothing more than
a patch of lawn then you`ll be looking at 150k.

quarter of an acre and the chances are your wanting a 4 or 5 bed home
and in that case it`s 1/4 million IF you can get your hands on any
details.

Down here in Wisbech where I work you can get a nice portacabin house
(only way to describe them) with 2 bedrooms and these will set you
back a cool 80k.

New developement of town houses in immigration lane in boston (where
the iraq and portugese have set up 50 to a room are coming in at an
astonishing 150k with no garden (yup you read it here first NO GARDEN)
and no car parking. It is oposite the river where the fishing boats
are moored BUT it is a working jetty and therefore the smell of
cockles when they are in season is pretty unbearable.

I am aware that similar properties elsewhere would probably be twice
the price and I`ve just fueled the increase even more at the detriment
of my fellow Bostonians.

Barry & Iris McCanna 09-07-2003 09:56 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

"Barry & Iris McCanna" wrote in message
...

I was going to suggest that! We moved here at the end of 1997 and
have three acres with a 17th century farmhouse. Loads of space for
gardening. For the money you are planning to spend you would be
able to find a decent house plus a very good sized garden. Prices

are
going up all the time, but £120,000 would still buy something good
here. Can heartily recommend the life.

Regards
Iris McCanna



Another thought is to get some of the gardening magazines and look at
the classified ads. There are always properties for sale with
emphasis on the garden. Your price level is going to be against you
though. A friend of mine has just paid £147,000 for a one-bedroomed
flat on the south coast. When you watch some of the property
programmes on the television it is pretty impossible even for the
specialists to find suitable places within budget. Also you see
young couples born and bred in a Cornish village or similar searching
in vain for something they can afford to buy to start their life
together. They can't. We live in Basse Normandie and it is getting
like that here too. The young people cannot afford to buy because the
English are paying larger and larger amounts for everything.

Iris McCanna




Jim W 09-07-2003 12:08 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
Drakanthus wrote:

... Plenty of the sites have search specs for land and 'big garden or
smallholding.. Try www.propertyfinder.co.uk and similar listed in the
Google directory..


I just tried that one. With search criteria of up to £150k and Cornwall it
says no properties are available - and suggests I WIDEN the search criteria!
Same for Devon too. Somehow I don't believe the results!
I probably need to NARROW the search results and do individual searches for
each individual town along the coast. Frustrating.
I tried a site earlier today that with numerous searches gave email
addresses of estate agents all round the coast. The emails all go via the
web site who must be acting as a partner. It took me hours. They have all
bounced as undeliverable - a complete waste of an afternoon.

I registered with the Rightmove web site and now can't logon due to a
technical fault at their end.

Some other web sites act as partners for several estate agents and don't
display a top navigation bar. Fine until you find yourself viewing the
details of a property and they haven't put a "Back" button on the form and
you need to close down the window and start the entire search process from
scratch again.

One thing I have learnt from this exercise - some web sites are much easier
to use and navigate than others. Some insist on taking you up the garden
path (wish they did literally) and have cluttered screens with too much to
read to get to where you want.

I'm sure the right property exists somewhere out there with a vendor keen to
sell and us keen to buy. Putting the two together is the tricky bit.

Moan over. I feel better now. It has been a frustrating day searching.
Hopefully better luck tomorrow.
I have already tried some of your other suggestions with no luck, but will
try the rest tomorrow.


I think you need also to find your way around your browser..
Presumably IE?

Often the delete key or Cmd (poss ctrl in Win) and the left arrow will
give you an equivalent of 'Back' (right arrow is foward) You may also
want to learn the modifier key for opening in a new page, this often
lets you break free of the 'host' sites and get onto to actual estate
agents site.. THe other one is 'open frame in new window'.. Most of
these are also available in the contextual dropdown menu ( click the
'other' mouse button in win.) On macs just hold down the mouse on a link
to see this.

A final suggestion.. Have you ventured into the property newsgroups
yet, or the local ones for a area you're looking?

My server carries uk.local.cornwall & alt.uk.property.. I haven;t
checked either of them out yet, but its a look in the right direction
poss..

I like others though, guess that you need to either elvevate your price
range or reduce your specs (eg small house/flat and seperate land) or
change your area..


I think at that price you've missed the boat, in property by about 10 or
more years in that area.. At a guess that is..

Good luck
//
Jim

Jim W 09-07-2003 12:08 PM

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Mark wrote:

Drakanthus typed:

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out
there for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less
than 120k?


Well I bought a 150 acre farm for that !
Er it was 30years ago, have prices gone up ?


LOL Have they!!...

My parents bought there house here in London for under 10000..35 years
ago..

I could afford afford to rent a room in this area if I wanted to move
out, let alone buy anything.
//
Jim

Michael Saunby 09-07-2003 12:20 PM

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"Drakanthus" wrote in message
...
... Plenty of the sites have search specs for land and 'big garden or
smallholding.. Try www.propertyfinder.co.uk and similar listed in the
Google directory..


I just tried that one. With search criteria of up to £150k and Cornwall

it
says no properties are available - and suggests I WIDEN the search

criteria!
Same for Devon too. Somehow I don't believe the results!


I'm affraid that Devon and Cornwall, for that type of property, are no
longer cheap. It seems that folks in SE England have been getting stupid
prices for their houses lately and a great many have either retired, or
"down-shifted" (or whatever they call it) and moved west. Check out
www.upmystreet.com for trends. Prices for detatched properties reflect what
someone in the SE might get for selling a semi in Wokingham or similar; it
will get worse since government policy is to build very few detatched
properties, none with land, and none beyond existing large settlements.

On the plus side, property here (Okehampton, Devon) doesn't seem to be
selling very quickly at present so I suspect that prices are set rather too
high and you might be able to haggle. Even so for places with a decent
amount of land £150 is very little and you're close to the price of a
building plot; so even a derelict house would sell for that figure if it
has a decent view, nearby pub, etc.

I probably need to NARROW the search results and do individual searches

for
each individual town along the coast. Frustrating.


Keep away from the coast, it's going to cost you several £10k that you
could spend on other things. Unless you're within walking distance it's
worthless and you're never going to afford a sea view and a garden (which
would generally be on a severe slope anyway). If you're within 30 minutes
drive surely that would be good enough? I've a short list of Okehampton
agents at
http://okehampton.freezope.org/direc...=estate_agents

In the past I've seen details of properties that appear to meet your
criteria and are much cheaper than others - examples include next door to a
filling station, backing on to a main line railway line, oh and next door
to a working quarry. There are I'm sure also "bargains" to be had near to
land fill sites, slaughter houses, etc. Indeed these days overhead
powerlines and mobile phone masts may help to make a property more
afforable, as might a risk of flooding. Take your pick.


....


Michael Saunby



mick 09-07-2003 12:20 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
Drakanthus typed:

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out
there for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less
than 120k?


I took a look through the local homeseeker paper this morning ( Plymouth,
S.Devon and SE Cornwall).

There was nothing advertised for 120K with a large garden except there was
a bungalow in need of modernisation ( Woolway 3 beds - which means its a
manufactured type) for auction in Oakehampton with 2/3 of an acre ground.

Price guide was 115+K.

As I said before I think you may have to up your figure a little.



Victoria Clare 09-07-2003 12:20 PM

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"mick" wrote in
:

Having said that, it still might be possible to get a run down place
with a bit of land if you aren't too fussy where and away from the
coast.

Have you tried Carrick or Restormal council districts? Or even parts
of North Cornwall District.


Liskeard area is still fairly cheap, particularly out towards Bodmin Moor
(Pensilva). But most of the 'semi-derelicts' that were for sale round here
when we moved 3 years ago are now all double glazing and fresh paint.
Go East across the Tamar and you haven't a hope, except possibly up north
of Bideford - Northam and Westward Ho! That would take you away from the
south coast, (but near the north one, which has better surf).

Ilfracombe is cheap, but for a reason, and you'll be lucky to find a big
garden there.

Barnstaple still has the odd 'in need of renovation' that I notice from
time to time, but again, garden sizes not usually that big.

You'd have to be lucky, and quick.

Victoria

Lee 09-07-2003 03:08 PM

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3 beds????
Garden?????

Our tiny two bed terrace with a very small back yard (hence the allotment)
got a "free evaluation" from the estate agent last week.. (we were bored
OK!!)
and they said K175........ no way.....................................
How the hell can anyone start on the ladder..... I know I could not afford
to buy my house again.....
As for gardens.............. Its worth the £8 a year I pay for the
allotment!!



"Chris Norton" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:13:24 +0100, "anne"
wrote:

Lincolnshire is your best bet - lots of houses in the middle of fields

etc,
but even house prices there are getting ridiculous.


The day of the cheapy house in Lincolnshire has gone forever now.

Today in Boston if you want a nice 3 bed house with nothing more than
a patch of lawn then you`ll be looking at 150k.

quarter of an acre and the chances are your wanting a 4 or 5 bed home
and in that case it`s 1/4 million IF you can get your hands on any
details.

Down here in Wisbech where I work you can get a nice portacabin house
(only way to describe them) with 2 bedrooms and these will set you
back a cool 80k.

New developement of town houses in immigration lane in boston (where
the iraq and portugese have set up 50 to a room are coming in at an
astonishing 150k with no garden (yup you read it here first NO GARDEN)
and no car parking. It is oposite the river where the fishing boats
are moored BUT it is a working jetty and therefore the smell of
cockles when they are in season is pretty unbearable.

I am aware that similar properties elsewhere would probably be twice
the price and I`ve just fueled the increase even more at the detriment
of my fellow Bostonians.




Kate Morgan 09-07-2003 05:20 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 

"Drakanthus" wrote
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out

there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than

120k?
snip
Drakanthus.


Try Forest of Dean or Welsh Borders
happy hunting

kate

Sally Thompson 09-07-2003 09:22 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:39:16 +0100, "Drakanthus"
wrote:

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out there
for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less than 120k? We
don't care about the type or state of the property - even a semi derelict
will suffice.

snip within 30 miles of either the South coast of
England or Cornwall, Devon or South Wales,


Have you thought of Shropshire or Herefordshire? Still land to be had
around here, and I can recommend it as a place to live :-)


--
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Essjay001 10-07-2003 08:21 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
Mark wrote:
Drakanthus typed:

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there any properties out
there for sale with big gardens that don't cost a fortune i.e. less
than 120k?


Well I bought a 150 acre farm for that !
Er it was 30years ago, have prices gone up ?


A bit!



David Hill 10-07-2003 10:12 PM

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What is your idea of a big garden?
I have heard this description applied to gardens from
60ft x20 ft to gardens of 8 acres.
The term "Big garden" is relative, and one persons Big garden is no more
than a glorified window box to another.
Also what part of UK are you looking??

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk




Drakanthus 11-07-2003 09:44 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
What is your idea of a big garden?
David Hill


I know what you mean about "Big Garden". Our current property is on a 1/10
acre plot and in estate agent speak that is a "Spacious garden". Some other
properties estate agents have brought to our attention as "possibles" have
gardens half the size of ours or less. They don't seem to understand the
concept of 1/4 acre minimum. One even sent us details of a flat with no
garden at all!

Anyway, we are looking for 1/4 Acre minimum garden (veg and flowers), but a
smallholding would be very nice. I was brought up on a smallholding, and
quite fancy keeping a small amount of livestock. Tricky bit is finding
somewhere with a limited budget. There are a few such properties in Wales
and they aren't on the market very long, but that is where we are
considering now. Most of England is out of our price reach for what we want.
I've been put off Spain as I understand a new law has been created
"Ruralisation Scheme" or something similar, allowing developers to
effectively seize the gardens of people to put more houses on! Hope that
never happens here!

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J Jackson 14-07-2003 04:19 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
Drakanthus wrote:
: What is your idea of a big garden?
: David Hill

: I know what you mean about "Big Garden". Our current property is on a 1/10
: acre plot and in estate agent speak that is a "Spacious garden". Some other
: properties estate agents have brought to our attention as "possibles" have
: gardens half the size of ours or less. They don't seem to understand the
: concept of 1/4 acre minimum. One even sent us details of a flat with no
: garden at all!

Been there got the tee shirt. 15 years ago we decided to move for a big
garden, but hardly any estate agents had enough brain cells to understand.
We ended up looking for 3 months, virutally every w/e, within about a
25/30 mile radius of Leeds. Ended up with my wife seeing a property
almost on our doorstep as she cycled to work! I suspect serendipity is
almost your only option.

Good luck. We actually did find the odd est. agent that did understand,
but had nothing on their books.

Jim

Drakanthus 15-07-2003 11:52 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
Good luck. We actually did find the odd est. agent that did understand,
but had nothing on their books.

Jim


Thanks. On the plus side nowadays, at least the Internet lets me browse all
over the country looking at possible properties. Looks like we may have to
move to Wales though to find somewhere suitable and within our price range.
Just hope the natives are friendly!

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Kate Morgan 16-07-2003 01:13 PM

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Thanks. On the plus side nowadays, at least the Internet lets me browse all
over the country looking at possible properties. Looks like we may have to
move to Wales though to find somewhere suitable and within our price range.
Just hope the natives are friendly!

have a look at the Chepstow area, very friendly little town and a handy
area for most things.
kate

Janet Tweedy 19-07-2003 11:53 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
In article , J Jackson
writes

Been there got the tee shirt. 15 years ago we decided to move for a big
garden, but hardly any estate agents had enough brain cells to understand.
We ended up looking for 3 months, virutally every w/e, within about a
25/30 mile radius of Leeds. Ended up with my wife seeing a property
almost on our doorstep as she cycled to work! I suspect serendipity is
almost your only option.

Good luck. We actually did find the odd est. agent that did understand,
but had nothing on their books.

Jim




Same here, we gave up looking for a bungalow with half an acre or more,
just about anywhere in the middle of England. I told one Estate Agent
that we wanted a large garden and he asked how big, when I told him at
least a third to half an acre he said
"You don't want a garden madam, you want LAND"

Seems a lot of bungalows we saw had either been built on someone else
land or the builders assumed bungalows meant you didn't like gardening!
However if you are in your home all day, either because you are retired
or from some other reason then you NEED a bit of space around
you........
I feel like going into estate agents and just asking for the garden,
never mind the house that comes with it

Janet
--
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Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 19-07-2003 11:54 AM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
In article ,
Drakanthus writes
Good luck. We actually did find the odd est. agent that did understand,
but had nothing on their books.

Jim


Thanks. On the plus side nowadays, at least the Internet lets me browse all
over the country looking at possible properties. Looks like we may have to
move to Wales though to find somewhere suitable and within our price range.
Just hope the natives are friendly!



The Malvern's are quite good but that's as long as you don't mind it
being VERY difficult to get anywhere from there :)
Other areas that have biggish gardens are Norfolk (of course) and
sometimes around Evesham.
--
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Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Drakanthus 19-07-2003 12:32 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
I feel like going into estate agents and just asking for the garden,
never mind the house that comes with it

Janet


I know what you mean. Number and sizes of rooms is almost irrelevant to me.
The first specification I look at for potential properties is the garden. It
is irritating that estate agents give the sizes of room down to the inch but
describe gardens without size or just a vague 'small', or 'large'. And their
idea of 'large' is usually my idea of 'small'.
Anyway, after much searching, we have found a couple of potential properties
in South Wales, just waiting until we accept a reasonable offer on our
property in Nottingham, then we're off!

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Kate Morgan 19-07-2003 01:32 PM

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Anyway, after much searching, we have found a couple of potential properties
in South Wales, just waiting until we accept a reasonable offer on our
property in Nottingham, then we're off!


Well done, hope you settle soon and dont forget if you want any horse
muck give me a shout, my muck heap is rotting down beautifully and
looking for a good home :-)

kate

Kay Easton 19-07-2003 03:02 PM

Finding a property with a Big Garden
 
In article ,
Drakanthus writes
I feel like going into estate agents and just asking for the garden,
never mind the house that comes with it

Janet


I know what you mean. Number and sizes of rooms is almost irrelevant to me.
The first specification I look at for potential properties is the garden. It
is irritating that estate agents give the sizes of room down to the inch but
describe gardens without size or just a vague 'small', or 'large'. And their
idea of 'large' is usually my idea of 'small'.


No,no,no! Never 'small'! The phrase is 'easily maintained', or, if no
more than a border in a small yard 'cottage garden style'.
Slightly less small is 'deceptively spacious'.

We did look at one house with 'half acre garden' but came to the
conclusion that the leeds acre was a measure totally new to me.
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