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Down the road from us there has been a lovely cypress hedge for the last
twenty years. I saw it planted and have admired it ever since. The owner has tended it lovingly, never letting it get out of control. I suppose it must be about six foot high and it has always looked very neat and beautiful. I wish my privet hedge looked half as nice. This week he has started cutting it back nearly to the trunk. This morning I was walking past and he was there. "What a shame," I said. "Were you told to cut it back by the Council?" "Yes," he said. Apparently the reason he has been told to cut it back is that it overhangs the pavement. Not by very much and it doesn't incommode pedestrians. I know because I walk past it several times a week. So why am I cross? Because all the way down the road there are cars parked *on* the pavement making it a real obstacle course for the pedestrian. Does the Council try to do anything about them? No! They just have a go at someone who has provided something that looks beautiful and doesn't incommode the pedestrian. Bah! -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet: | writing from | | Fidonet: David Rance 2:252/110 | Caversham, | | BBS: telnet://mesnil.demon.co.uk | Reading, UK | +-------------------------------------------------------+ |
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"David Rance" wrote in message ... Down the road from us there has been a lovely cypress hedge for the last twenty years. I saw it planted and have admired it ever since. The owner has tended it lovingly, never letting it get out of control. I suppose it must be about six foot high and it has always looked very neat and beautiful. I wish my privet hedge looked half as nice. This week he has started cutting it back nearly to the trunk. This morning I was walking past and he was there. "What a shame," I said. "Were you told to cut it back by the Council?" "Yes," he said. Apparently the reason he has been told to cut it back is that it overhangs the pavement. Not by very much and it doesn't incommode pedestrians. I know because I walk past it several times a week. So why am I cross? Because all the way down the road there are cars parked *on* the pavement making it a real obstacle course for the pedestrian. Does the Council try to do anything about them? No! They just have a go at someone who has provided something that looks beautiful and doesn't incommode the pedestrian. Bah! I couldn't agree more. Mary -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet: | writing from | | Fidonet: David Rance 2:252/110 | Caversham, | | BBS: telnet://mesnil.demon.co.uk | Reading, UK | +-------------------------------------------------------+ |
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David Rance wrote:
Down the road from us there has been a lovely cypress hedge for the last twenty years. I saw it planted and have admired it ever since. The owner has tended it lovingly, never letting it get out of control. I suppose it must be about six foot high and it has always looked very neat and beautiful. I wish my privet hedge looked half as nice. This week he has started cutting it back nearly to the trunk. This morning I was walking past and he was there. "What a shame," I said. "Were you told to cut it back by the Council?" "Yes," he said. Apparently the reason he has been told to cut it back is that it overhangs the pavement. Not by very much and it doesn't incommode pedestrians. I know because I walk past it several times a week. So why am I cross? Because all the way down the road there are cars parked *on* the pavement making it a real obstacle course for the pedestrian. Does the Council try to do anything about them? No! They just have a go at someone who has provided something that looks beautiful and doesn't incommode the pedestrian. Bah! Fair enough being cross if this particular hedge was not inconveniencing anyone, but where I used to live I spent half my journey to work walking along the road because one gardener after another allowed their trees and shrubs (not hedges) to completely block the pavement. I wish the council had told them to cut back a bit! |
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Fair enough being cross if this particular hedge was not inconveniencing anyone, but where I used to live I spent half my journey to work walking along the road because one gardener after another allowed their trees and shrubs (not hedges) to completely block the pavement. I wish the council had told them to cut back a bit! In this street it's sometimes possible to squeeze past cars on the pavement but not if you're pushing a pram. There's a nursery at the bottom of the street so every day young mums are forced on the road with prams and toddlers. Mary |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
Fair enough being cross if this particular hedge was not inconveniencing anyone, but where I used to live I spent half my journey to work walking along the road because one gardener after another allowed their trees and shrubs (not hedges) to completely block the pavement. I wish the council had told them to cut back a bit! In this street it's sometimes possible to squeeze past cars on the pavement but not if you're pushing a pram. There's a nursery at the bottom of the street so every day young mums are forced on the road with prams and toddlers. Mary The surprising thing is that, with the exception of central London, there doesn't even seem to be any law against parking on the pavement! |
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The surprising thing is that, with the exception of central London,
there doesn't even seem to be any law against parking on the pavement! There isn't. It's illegal to DRIVE on the pavement but you have to be caught in the act. Our kerbs were raised to prevent drivers mounting them. but at the edge of every house drive the kerbs were graded down to the road level - so that wheelchairs could get up and down them. Which reminds me that every house in the street has a drive. Hardly anyone puts a car in their drive. We do - and anyone who parks on our pavement only does it once. Mary |
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"Mary wrote in message ... The surprising thing is that, with the exception of central London, there doesn't even seem to be any law against parking on the pavement! There isn't. It's illegal to DRIVE on the pavement but you have to be caught in the act. Our kerbs were raised to prevent drivers mounting them. but at the edge of every house drive the kerbs were graded down to the road level - so that wheelchairs could get up and down them. Which reminds me that every house in the street has a drive. Hardly anyone puts a car in their drive. We do - and anyone who parks on our pavement only does it once. I thought that was why SUV's (sorry 4X4's) are so popular, for driving up kerbs. It's the only offroading most of them get. :-) -- Regards Bob Use a useful Screen Saver... http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here. |
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Ben wrote:
Fair enough being cross if this particular hedge was not inconveniencing anyone, but where I used to live I spent half my journey to work walking along the road because one gardener after another allowed their trees and shrubs (not hedges) to completely block the pavement. I wish the council had told them to cut back a bit! Complain to the council, it is their responsibility to keep the pathways clear. They should write to the owners telling them to cut their hedges/trees Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
In this street it's sometimes possible to squeeze past cars on the pavement but not if you're pushing a pram. There's a nursery at the bottom of the street so every day young mums are forced on the road with prams and toddlers. A chat with the local constabulary should get a result. Failing that 'borrow a trolley from the local supermarket and scrape it down the side of the cars, they soon learn. -- Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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Ben wrote:
The surprising thing is that, with the exception of central London, there doesn't even seem to be any law against parking on the pavement! Ah but there is! Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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Bob Hobden wrote:
I thought that was why SUV's (sorry 4X4's) are so popular, for driving up kerbs. It's the only offroading most of them get. :-) You noticed that as well. Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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"Essjay001" wrote Mary Fisher wrote: In this street it's sometimes possible to squeeze past cars on the pavement but not if you're pushing a pram. There's a nursery at the bottom of the street so every day young mums are forced on the road with prams and toddlers. A chat with the local constabulary should get a result. Failing that 'borrow a trolley from the local supermarket and scrape it down the side of the cars, they soon learn. Steve R I don't know what colour the warning tickets about incorrect parking are in the UK, but here in Holland they are a fetching shade of yellow. Get some paper that's a similar colour to that used and make yuor own 'warning' to put under offenders windscreens wipers............Might not cure them all but a few migth take notice :~)) Jenny |
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"Essjay001" wrote in message ... Ben wrote: Fair enough being cross if this particular hedge was not inconveniencing anyone, but where I used to live I spent half my journey to work walking along the road because one gardener after another allowed their trees and shrubs (not hedges) to completely block the pavement. I wish the council had told them to cut back a bit! Complain to the council, it is their responsibility to keep the pathways clear. They should write to the owners telling them to cut their hedges/trees Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. It is an offence to park on the pavement. Here is an amusing story. A friend lives beside a busy dual carriageway with a very wide pavement. It is usual for people to park on that pavement to aviod causing an obstruction to the road, the pavement is so wide that it will easily accommadate a pram as well. His daughter aquired a new boy friend who lived on a nearby "problem" estate. One evening when he took the girl home by car he was followed by a police car, when he parked on the pavement he was imediately booked. My friend phoned the police to complain, and insisted that they sent someone arround to deal with the matter. When an inspector arrived he said that as the paperwork was done the prosecution would have to go through. My friend had sent his son out to photograph the inspectors car. The case was dropped, work out why! :-) He also gave a copy of the photograph to all the local residents. Cheers John T |
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Those trollies cost the supermarkets several hundred pounds each, I wouldn't
want anyone to get done for "nicking" one of them. I know they tried this in the early eighties with the bread baskets, and now they'll do you if you own a blue pallet !!! Talking of which there was a garden makeover prog with Monty Don and Carol Klein, in which two blokes built a raised deck using blue pallets, and it was all done on film, they had to apologise the next week, since the blue pallets all belong to one company and they NEVER sell them to anyone, so any found anywhere are theirs, he he he Duncan "Essjay001" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: In this street it's sometimes possible to squeeze past cars on the pavement but not if you're pushing a pram. There's a nursery at the bottom of the street so every day young mums are forced on the road with prams and toddlers. A chat with the local constabulary should get a result. Failing that 'borrow a trolley from the local supermarket and scrape it down the side of the cars, they soon learn. -- Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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Essjay001 wrote:
Ben wrote: The surprising thing is that, with the exception of central London, there doesn't even seem to be any law against parking on the pavement! Ah but there is! Oh, do tell - do you know what the specific offence is? |
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and you should just hear the abuse those car drivers will give anyone like
me when politely asked not to park on the pavement because I cant get by with a twin buggy Quite why they think a pushchair should be forced onto the road while they sit on the pavement is beyond me "David Rance" wrote in message ... Down the road from us there has been a lovely cypress hedge for the last twenty years. I saw it planted and have admired it ever since. The owner has tended it lovingly, never letting it get out of control. I suppose it must be about six foot high and it has always looked very neat and beautiful. I wish my privet hedge looked half as nice. This week he has started cutting it back nearly to the trunk. This morning I was walking past and he was there. "What a shame," I said. "Were you told to cut it back by the Council?" "Yes," he said. Apparently the reason he has been told to cut it back is that it overhangs the pavement. Not by very much and it doesn't incommode pedestrians. I know because I walk past it several times a week. So why am I cross? Because all the way down the road there are cars parked *on* the pavement making it a real obstacle course for the pedestrian. Does the Council try to do anything about them? No! They just have a go at someone who has provided something that looks beautiful and doesn't incommode the pedestrian. Bah! -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet: | writing from | | Fidonet: David Rance 2:252/110 | Caversham, | | BBS: telnet://mesnil.demon.co.uk | Reading, UK | +-------------------------------------------------------+ |
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John Towill wrote:
It is an offence to park on the pavement. Here is an amusing story. Except when when pavement parking is in operation |
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"Essjay001" wrote in message ... Ben wrote: Fair enough being cross if this particular hedge was not inconveniencing anyone, but where I used to live I spent half my journey to work walking along the road because one gardener after another allowed their trees and shrubs (not hedges) to completely block the pavement. I wish the council had told them to cut back a bit! Complain to the council, it is their responsibility to keep the pathways clear. They should write to the owners telling them to cut their hedges/trees But does the owner have to cut them? Out here in rural West Devon the council cut the hedges, I really can't imagine the sense in doing things any other way. All the likely legal fees, letters sent and ignored, knocking on doors, etc. Surely the council cut roadside verges, so why not the hedges? Clearly (sub)urban Britain has some very strange customs. Granted some folks might not want their hedges cut with a tractor mounted flail, but surely that's just a technical matter for homeowners to agree with the council. Michael Saunby |
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"bnd777" wrote in message ... and you should just hear the abuse those car drivers will give anyone like me when politely asked not to park on the pavement because I cant get by with a twin buggy Quite why they think a pushchair should be forced onto the road while they sit on the pavement is beyond me I suspect folks that park half on the pavement are simply trying to show their working class roots. Anyway car drivers can be just as effective in curing offenders by parking correctly immediately behind them - so they can't see traffic when they want to pull out. Michael Saunby |
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Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer ^W^W^W^W uk.rec.gardening, I
heard Michael Saunby say... I suspect folks that park half on the pavement are simply trying to show their working class roots. Anyway car drivers can be just as effective in curing offenders by parking correctly immediately behind them - so they can't see traffic when they want to pull out. It does depend somewhat on the circumstances. Although it is against all my principles, I have to park half on the pavement when I visit Ma, as her house has no drive and the road is not wide enough for cars to park on both sides and still allow traffic to pass. And as there are several people (including her next door neighbour) who work from home and have large vans as well as more than one car, it can get more than a little crowded. -- Fenny Fictitious Facts of the Day - from a list by Andrew Burford #188: 2,000,000 egg cartons and 3,500,000 washing-up liquid bottles went into the making of Star Wars. |
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from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: In this street it's sometimes possible to squeeze past cars on the pavement but not if you're pushing a pram. There's a nursery at the bottom of the street so every day young mums are forced on the road with prams and toddlers. Hasn't it occurred to those young mums that car paintwork can get badly gouged by a passing pram when the pavement is obstructed? Janet |
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from Ben contains these words: The surprising thing is that, with the exception of central London, there doesn't even seem to be any law against parking on the pavement! There is. And if you were to take the law to extremes, you wouldn't be permitted to push or ride any wheeled vehicle, truck, buggy, pram, shopping trolley etc on the pavement or on any footpath. -- Rusty http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm horrid·squeak snailything zetnet·co·uk excange d.p. with p to reply. |
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Rusty Hinge wrote:
The message from Ben contains these words: The surprising thing is that, with the exception of central London, there doesn't even seem to be any law against parking on the pavement! There is. What??? I want to know - it might come in handy some day! And if you were to take the law to extremes, you wouldn't be permitted to push or ride any wheeled vehicle, truck, buggy, pram, shopping trolley etc on the pavement or on any footpath. I heard that about bikes - if in doubt (and in the presence of a copper) carry it! Modern bikes weigh next to nothing and fit over your shoulder quite comfortably. My dad was almost nicked for pushing his motorbike along a pavement to get round a flood, but in the nick of time (no pun intended) the copper noticed someone driving past talking on a mobile phone and sped off after them instead ;-) |
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"Essjay001" wrote in message ... Ben wrote: Fair enough being cross if this particular hedge was not inconveniencing anyone, but where I used to live I spent half my journey to work walking along the road because one gardener after another allowed their trees and shrubs (not hedges) to completely block the pavement. I wish the council had told them to cut back a bit! Complain to the council, it is their responsibility to keep the pathways clear. They should write to the owners telling them to cut their hedges/trees But does the owner have to cut them? Out here in rural West Devon the council cut the hedges, I really can't imagine the sense in doing things any other way. All the likely legal fees, letters sent and ignored, knocking on doors, etc. Surely the council cut roadside verges, so why not the hedges? Clearly (sub)urban Britain has some very strange customs. Granted some folks might not want their hedges cut with a tractor mounted flail, but surely that's just a technical matter for homeowners to agree with the council. Aaaah but theres a difference betwen a hedge and overhanging shrubbery from a domestic garden.. I cannot imagine them getting a flail trimmer down our residential north London street LOL.. That'd bring everyone out quick;-) that said there are quite a few overhanging things esp in the summer. Hedge cutting is usually (to my knowledge) only done in the 'country' sic where it is necessary to road safety. (visibility). Or just routine maintainance of larger areas. // ~Jim |
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"Fenny" k wrote in message ... Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer ^W^W^W^W uk.rec.gardening, I heard Michael Saunby say... I suspect folks that park half on the pavement are simply trying to show their working class roots. Anyway car drivers can be just as effective in curing offenders by parking correctly immediately behind them - so they can't see traffic when they want to pull out. It does depend somewhat on the circumstances. Although it is against all my principles, I have to park half on the pavement when I visit Ma, as her house has no drive and the road is not wide enough for cars to park on both sides and still allow traffic to pass. And as there are several people (including her next door neighbour) who work from home and have large vans as well as more than one car, it can get more than a little crowded. You don't have to - you choose to, and in doing so you probably break the law. I used to live on a fairly narrow road in Wargrave, the folks there simply restricted their parking to one side of the road. In places where the residents haven't show the sense to do this the local authority eventually end up painting double yellow lines down one side of the road. Michael Saunby |
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"Jim W" wrote in message news:1fymjhc.145ji515y3l8gN%00senetnospamtodayta@m acunlimited.net... Michael Saunby wrote: "Essjay001" wrote in message ... Ben wrote: Fair enough being cross if this particular hedge was not inconveniencing anyone, but where I used to live I spent half my journey to work walking along the road because one gardener after another allowed their trees and shrubs (not hedges) to completely block the pavement. I wish the council had told them to cut back a bit! Complain to the council, it is their responsibility to keep the pathways clear. They should write to the owners telling them to cut their hedges/trees But does the owner have to cut them? Out here in rural West Devon the council cut the hedges, I really can't imagine the sense in doing things any other way. All the likely legal fees, letters sent and ignored, knocking on doors, etc. Surely the council cut roadside verges, so why not the hedges? Clearly (sub)urban Britain has some very strange customs. Granted some folks might not want their hedges cut with a tractor mounted flail, but surely that's just a technical matter for homeowners to agree with the council. Aaaah but theres a difference betwen a hedge and overhanging shrubbery from a domestic garden.. I cannot imagine them getting a flail trimmer down our residential north London street LOL.. That'd bring everyone out quick;-) that said there are quite a few overhanging things esp in the summer. And what would the difference be? Why as a smallholder don't I have to worry about keeping my roadside hedge from overhanging the road, but a suburban gardener must? It does seem very odd that it's claimed such a law (or is it bylaw?) exists that is so different between countryside and suburbia. Hedge cutting is usually (to my knowledge) only done in the 'country' sic where it is necessary to road safety. (visibility). Or just routine maintainance of larger areas. It seems to be a pretty routine thing in Devon for all hedges. The work is done by farmers/contractors by the local council pays. Though these days it may have something to do with tourism and keeping the place tidy. There are certainly other laws to make that so - e.g. you can't have billboards in the countryside. Michael Saunby |
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In article , Michael Saunby
writes And what would the difference be? Why as a smallholder don't I have to worry about keeping my roadside hedge from overhanging the road, but a suburban gardener must? Must he? I thought all a suburban gardener had to do was keep the hedge from overhanging the pavement? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume you do not have a pavement to overhang. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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"Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article , Michael Saunby writes And what would the difference be? Why as a smallholder don't I have to worry about keeping my roadside hedge from overhanging the road, but a suburban gardener must? Must he? I thought all a suburban gardener had to do was keep the hedge from overhanging the pavement? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume you do not have a pavement to overhang. True, but why is a pavement different from a road in this respect? It seems odd that if your hedge grows over your neighbours property they have a right to cut it back, but can't make you do so, and that councils keep roads clear, but then councils appear to have this special power wrt pavements. Michael Saunby |
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Any super market that spends several hundreds of pounds in what is
essentially a wire box on wheels deserves to loose a few Druss wrote: Those trollies cost the supermarkets several hundred pounds each, I wouldn't want anyone to get done for "nicking" one of them. I know they tried this in the early eighties with the bread baskets, and now they'll do you if you own a blue pallet !!! Talking of which there was a garden makeover prog with Monty Don and Carol Klein, in which two blokes built a raised deck using blue pallets, and it was all done on film, they had to apologise the next week, since the blue pallets all belong to one company and they NEVER sell them to anyone, so any found anywhere are theirs, he he he Duncan "Essjay001" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: In this street it's sometimes possible to squeeze past cars on the pavement but not if you're pushing a pram. There's a nursery at the bottom of the street so every day young mums are forced on the road with prams and toddlers. A chat with the local constabulary should get a result. Failing that 'borrow a trolley from the local supermarket and scrape it down the side of the cars, they soon learn. -- Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. -- Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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Michael Saunby wrote:
But does the owner have to cut them? Yes he does, a house holder can do more or less what he likes within the bounds of his own property, however once his hedge /shrub stsrts to imping on the pavement he is then blocking a public right of way. If a pedestrian has to walk in the road because of the overgrowth from a domestic property and gets knocked down by a passing car who is he going to blame and more importantly who is he going to sue. Out here in rural West Devon the council cut the hedges, Do we need to make a distinction here between domestic hedges and hedgerows. Certainly here in Wilts it took me about 18 months to get the authorities to cut a domestic hedge that overhung a 6' foot path by 5'. I really can't imagine the sense in doing things any other way. Why should the council cut domestic hedges? Why should a guy who doesn't have a hedge have to pay in his coulcil tax for someone who is too lazy to do it himself? All the likely legal fees, letters sent and ignored, knocking on doors, etc. A court case ususlly sorts out the 'negligent hedge owner Surely the council cut roadside verges, so why not the hedges? Hedgerows yes but not hedges and shrubs in private gardens Clearly (sub)urban Britain has some very strange customs. No not really just some very lazy people Granted some folks might not want their hedges cut with a tractor mounted flail, but surely that's just a technical matter for homeowners to agree with the council. You have obviously never had your windscreen broken by the debris from a flail. Jusy imagine a 'normal' domestic street, and the put a flail in the picture. Apart from the debris all over the road, broken windows injured people, dead cats etc etc. Absolute bloody nightmare. I don't for one minute believe that the council comes round to cut peoples privet, leylandii, beech or any other private hedge, but if this is true, someone should take the council to court for mis-appropriation of taxes Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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Michael Saunby wrote:
You don't have to - you choose to, and in doing so you probably break the law. I used to live on a fairly narrow road in Wargrave, the folks there simply restricted their parking to one side of the road. IIRC doesnt Germany have a law that says If you are the first one in an empty street you may park which ever side of the road you like but all others must follow suit and only park on one side of the road. Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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Jim W wrote:
Aaaah but theres a difference betwen a hedge and overhanging shrubbery from a domestic garden.. I cannot imagine them getting a flail trimmer down our residential north London street LOL.. That'd bring everyone out quick;-) that said there are quite a few overhanging things esp in the summer. Hedge cutting is usually (to my knowledge) only done in the 'country' sic where it is necessary to road safety. (visibility). Or just routine maintainance of larger areas. Jim there is a difference betwen a hedge and a hedgerow. Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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In article , Michael Saunby
writes "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article , Michael Saunby writes And what would the difference be? Why as a smallholder don't I have to worry about keeping my roadside hedge from overhanging the road, but a suburban gardener must? Must he? I thought all a suburban gardener had to do was keep the hedge from overhanging the pavement? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume you do not have a pavement to overhang. True, but why is a pavement different from a road in this respect? Because roads are used by lorries and cars, whereas pavements are intended for pedestrians, who may be injured by overhanging bushes. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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"Essjay001" wrote in message ... Michael Saunby wrote: But does the owner have to cut them? Yes he does, a house holder can do more or less what he likes within the bounds of his own property, however once his hedge /shrub stsrts to imping on the pavement he is then blocking a public right of way. If a pedestrian has to walk in the road because of the overgrowth from a domestic property and gets knocked down by a passing car who is he going to blame and more importantly who is he going to sue. Out here in rural West Devon the council cut the hedges, Do we need to make a distinction here between domestic hedges and hedgerows. Certainly here in Wilts it took me about 18 months to get the authorities to cut a domestic hedge that overhung a 6' foot path by 5'. I really can't imagine the sense in doing things any other way. Why should the council cut domestic hedges? Why should a guy who doesn't have a hedge have to pay in his coulcil tax for someone who is too lazy to do it himself? All the likely legal fees, letters sent and ignored, knocking on doors, etc. A court case ususlly sorts out the 'negligent hedge owner Still a pointless expense. Surely the council cut roadside verges, so why not the hedges? Hedgerows yes but not hedges and shrubs in private gardens Clearly (sub)urban Britain has some very strange customs. No not really just some very lazy people But where did this custom of keeping (someone else's) pavement clear? It seems at odd with all other similar practices. Even removing dog shit, litter, etc. from pavements isn't the responsibility of the person the other side of the hedge. Granted some folks might not want their hedges cut with a tractor mounted flail, but surely that's just a technical matter for homeowners to agree with the council. You have obviously never had your windscreen broken by the debris from a flail. Jusy imagine a 'normal' domestic street, and the put a flail in the picture. Apart from the debris all over the road, broken windows injured people, dead cats etc etc. Absolute bloody nightmare. So use the appropriate equipment for the job. It would create some employment. I don't for one minute believe that the council comes round to cut peoples privet, leylandii, beech or any other private hedge, but if this is true, someone should take the council to court for mis-appropriation of taxes They don't come around. They pay one of the local farmers to do them. And yes, they'll cut whatever you have - granted most are fairly ancient mixes of oak, ash, beech, thorn, whatever, though ours is beech and thorn because that's what was planted when the road was widened. It's their (council's) road for Christ's sake so why shouldn't they keep it clear? I keep my own lane clear, I cut back any of my neighbour's hedges that grow into my property. Why is this any more a misuse of taxes than to collect private rubbish? Why do I have to pay to dispose of the excessive waste generated by other households? What about council tenants - who cuts their hedges? The nearest rural parallel to this that I can think of is public footpaths on private land. The owner of the land is obliged to keep the path clear. If this is the reason for the suburban situation it suggests that the council is considering the householder, not the council, to be responsible for maintaining the right of way. This seems rather cheeky, since I expect that in most cases the householder doesn't own the pavement, and has no legal obligation to maintain a right of way. Michael Saunby |
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"Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article , Michael Saunby writes "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article , Michael Saunby writes And what would the difference be? Why as a smallholder don't I have to worry about keeping my roadside hedge from overhanging the road, but a suburban gardener must? Must he? I thought all a suburban gardener had to do was keep the hedge from overhanging the pavement? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume you do not have a pavement to overhang. True, but why is a pavement different from a road in this respect? Because roads are used by lorries and cars, whereas pavements are intended for pedestrians, who may be injured by overhanging bushes. Wouldn't it be great if sensible logic like that could be shown to be the basis of our laws? Then you might even be able to argue successfully that you don't actually need to cut back a hedge unless it presents a hazard. Though it would be nice to think that the law really does have such little regard for horse riders, cyclists and motor cyclists. They think they are regarded as 2nd class citizens, and you may have found the proof :-) Michael Saunby |
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John Towill wrote:
It is an offence to park on the pavement. Here is an amusing story. A friend lives beside a busy dual carriageway with a very wide pavement. It is usual for people to park on that pavement to aviod causing an obstruction to the road, the pavement is so wide that it will easily accommadate a pram as well. His daughter aquired a new boy friend who lived on a nearby "problem" estate. One evening when he took the girl home by car he was followed by a police car, when he parked on the pavement he was imediately booked. My friend phoned the police to complain, and insisted that they sent someone arround to deal with the matter. When an inspector arrived he said that as the paperwork was done the prosecution would have to go through. My friend had sent his son out to photograph the inspectors car. The case was dropped, work out why! :-) He also gave a copy of the photograph to all the local residents. Cheers John T An even more amusing Fact: At present it is unlawful to drive on the pavement, but most magistrates do not accept a pavement-parked vehicle as proof that it has been driven there! http://www.eta.co.uk/tr/pj/peds/pave.htm Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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"Essjay001" wrote in message ... An even more amusing Fact: At present it is unlawful to drive on the pavement, but most magistrates do not accept a pavement-parked vehicle as proof that it has been driven there! http://www.eta.co.uk/tr/pj/peds/pave.htm Bah! Why am I not surprised. This bloody country is upside down. O |
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Michael Saunby wrote: reams of twaddle
"Essjay001" wrote in message ... big snip Micheal I suspect you are just being bloody minded. Your diatribe shows you have little grasp on reality. I am so glad I don't live next door to you. Steve R --- One piece, one button suit, timeless fashion. All made by the same manufacturer, no designer label, everybody has one. |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Essjay001 wrote:
But does the owner have to cut them? Yes he does, a house holder can do more or less what he likes within the bounds of his own property, however once his hedge /shrub stsrts to imping on the pavement he is then blocking a public right of way. If a pedestrian has to walk in the road because of the overgrowth from a domestic property and gets knocked down by a passing car who is he going to blame and more importantly who is he going to sue. Hmm! A sorts of interesting points have come out of this thread which I started some thirty messages ago, not least that many of us are a bit hazy about who is responsible for what! However my original complaint, which has been lost sight of, was that a man down the road from me was being made by the council to spoil his lovely, neat hedge which overhangs the pavement only slightly and doesn't incommode pedestrians (I know, because I use that pavement regularly) while cars in the same road which are parked on the pavement, and which *do* incommode pedestrians, are ignored. I find it difficult to negotiate these cars so I'm sure a blind man who also uses that pavement does, too, not to mention mothers and children walking to and from the local primary school. Either double standards or a jobsworth - or both! -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet: | writing from | | Fidonet: David Rance 2:252/110 | Caversham, | | BBS: telnet://mesnil.demon.co.uk | Reading, UK | +-------------------------------------------------------+ |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Michael Saunby wrote:
I don't for one minute believe that the council comes round to cut peoples privet, leylandii, beech or any other private hedge, but if this is true, someone should take the council to court for mis-appropriation of taxes They don't come around. They pay one of the local farmers to do them. Actually they do - in France. There are "cantonniers" whose job it is to go round in the countryside cutting grass and trimming hedges. And when one of my hedges over there was deemed to be interfering with the automatic working of a street light a councillor came and trimmed it back himself! -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet: | writing from | | Fidonet: David Rance 2:252/110 | Caversham, | | BBS: telnet://mesnil.demon.co.uk | Reading, UK | +-------------------------------------------------------+ |
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