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Mystery city vine...
Hi folks!
I've been trying to identify some common city weeds in Birmingham, which I find very attractive, but are a royal pain in the jacksy to get rid of. So far I have done wonders with the help of my super-RHS dad, but even he has had problems with a few. Some of our successes have been Green Alkanet ("it looks like a cross between a forget-me-not and borage" - prize went to the internet geek) and crow's-foot geranium (prize went to the gnome / dad). This one, however has me stuck. It has beautiful lace and pale yellow flowers, no wider then 10mm, leaves are approx 60mm wide, and it attaches itself to our privet hedge & potatoes by fine tendrills. In July / August it started to produce bright pillar-box berries, each with a single seed (as far as I could tell). Here (should be attached) is a picture. Much hopefulness & positive vibes The Gardening Gibbon |
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Mystery city vine...
In article m,
gardengibbon writes snip This one, however has me stuck. It has beautiful lace and pale yellow flowers, no wider then 10mm, leaves are approx 60mm wide, and it attaches itself to our privet hedge & potatoes by fine tendrills. In July / August it started to produce bright pillar-box berries, each with a single seed (as far as I could tell). Here (should be attached) is a picture. Wild guess - white bryony? Bryonia cretica. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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Brilliant - looks about right, and the tendrils & leaf certainly do resemble the cucumber's.
Much appreciated. Jon |
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Mystery city vine...
"Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article m, gardengibbon writes snip This one, however has me stuck. It has beautiful lace and pale yellow flowers, no wider then 10mm, leaves are approx 60mm wide, and it attaches itself to our privet hedge & potatoes by fine tendrills. In July / August it started to produce bright pillar-box berries, each with a single seed (as far as I could tell). Here (should be attached) is a picture. Wild guess - white bryony? Bryonia cretica. I'm bothered about that. The leaf shape does not look right to me. What about one of the nightshades? [Franz Heymann] |
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Mystery city vine...
The message m
from gardengibbon contains these words: Here (should be attached) is a picture. Most ISPs strip out binaries from non-binary news. Your picture went to be bit-bucket if you posted it. The pic on the website is certainly not of white bryony, and the leaves look like black bryony, though I don't remember the tendrils being quite so prominent. -- Rusty http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm horrid·squeak snailything zetnet·co·uk excange d.p. with p to reply. |
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Mystery city vine...
In article , Franz Heymann
writes "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article m, gardengibbon writes snip This one, however has me stuck. It has beautiful lace and pale yellow flowers, no wider then 10mm, leaves are approx 60mm wide, and it attaches itself to our privet hedge & potatoes by fine tendrills. In July / August it started to produce bright pillar-box berries, each with a single seed (as far as I could tell). Here (should be attached) is a picture. Wild guess - white bryony? Bryonia cretica. I'm bothered about that. The leaf shape does not look right to me. What about one of the nightshades? Agreed - not quite 'ivy leaf' shaped enough, but I wondered if maybe there is a juvenile leaf form, like mulberries. Not a nightshade, surely? Red berries would be woody nightshade and the leaf shape and texture is wrong, and the nightshades twine, they don't have tendrils. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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Mystery city vine...
In article , Rusty Hinge
writes The message m from gardengibbon contains these words: Here (should be attached) is a picture. Most ISPs strip out binaries from non-binary news. Your picture went to be bit-bucket if you posted it. The pic on the website is certainly not of white bryony, and the leaves look like black bryony, though I don't remember the tendrils being quite so prominent. You're right there! Black bryony doesn't have tendrils. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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Mystery city vine...
"Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article , Franz Heymann writes "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article m, gardengibbon writes snip This one, however has me stuck. It has beautiful lace and pale yellow flowers, no wider then 10mm, leaves are approx 60mm wide, and it attaches itself to our privet hedge & potatoes by fine tendrills. In July / August it started to produce bright pillar-box berries, each with a single seed (as far as I could tell). Here (should be attached) is a picture. Wild guess - white bryony? Bryonia cretica. I'm bothered about that. The leaf shape does not look right to me. What about one of the nightshades? Agreed - not quite 'ivy leaf' shaped enough, but I wondered if maybe there is a juvenile leaf form, like mulberries. Not a nightshade, surely? Red berries would be woody nightshade and the leaf shape and texture is wrong, and the nightshades twine, they don't have tendrils. You are quite right. What a silly piece of bad observation on my part. I think I, too, would now settle for Bryony. Perhaps gardengibbon could let us see a picture of a mature leaf or two. I must say that the picture he/she has shown so far is of excellent quality. [Franz Heyman] |
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Mystery city vine...
"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message ... The message m from gardengibbon contains these words: Here (should be attached) is a picture. Most ISPs strip out binaries from non-binary news. Your picture went to be bit-bucket if you posted it. The pic on the website is certainly not of white bryony, and the leaves look like black bryony, though I don't remember the tendrils being quite so prominent. According to my book, Black Bryony does not have tendrils. It uses its stem for twining. I also am unhappy with Rusty's suggestion that the leaves look like Black Bryony. The latter have a smooth heart-shaped leaf, whilst gardengibbon's illustration has leaves each of which has seven unmistakable apices, joined by nearly straight lines in outline. I still look forward to seeing a picture of one or two more mature leaves from gardengibbon's plant. [Franz Heymann] -- Rusty http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm horrid·squeak snailything zetnet·co·uk excange d.p. with p to reply. |
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Mystery city vine...
"....... I must say that the picture he/she has shown so far is of
excellent quality ......." What picture? must have missed that -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
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Hello people
Many thanks for the response on this one, you are all so helpful - I will be trying to encourage my dad to get a computer, using this site as part of my case for getting one - I've got a few old machines scattered around the house, he can have one of those. The leaf on the top left of the image is the mature leaf of the bunch (showing underside, with veins exposed). I have attached a new image, of an old leaf (this came off the compost pile, so it's a little damaged). The images have been made by scanning the leaves on an old Epson A4 flatbed scanner (you'd be surprised what you can scan!) and then adjusting the brightness up by 50% in Photoshop (or any image / photo package really), re-sizing to approx 500px wide / 72dpi. The majority of the seed deposits in that area of the garden seem to be made by magpies, blackbirds, tits and sparrows, as the top end of the garden is shaded by a beautiful old laburnum tree, which is a popular vantage point, especially for the magpies. It is also a south facing corner of the garden, complete with a so has its own little micro climate, ideal for fruit and warmth loving plants. It also has the bonus of being near the compost, and so the soil is very rich in nutrients. All in all, it seems to be a fine are for collecting bird scattered seedlings. We also get a lot of laburnum seedlings! I had a search around on Google and found the following link: http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/b/brywhi77.html which seemed to describe the plant fairly accurately, and the picture is bang on. Anyway, thanks again, you're all stars, thanks for your time and wonderful replies. Jon |
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Mystery city vine...
David Hill wrote:
"....... I must say that the picture he/she has shown so far is of excellent quality ......." What picture? must have missed that http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attach...?postid=257740 // Jim Looks like Bryony to me.. AFAIK its the only native cucurbit Genus in the UK. Unless its something 'escaped' I'd be willing to say 'its Bryony'.. Fast growing Curcurbits, esp species often have variable leaves in my experience. // Jim |
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Mystery city vine...
"David Hill" wrote in message ... "....... I must say that the picture he/she has shown so far is of excellent quality ......." What picture? must have missed that He gave the following URL +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Attachment filename: vine.jpg | |View attachment: http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attach...?postid=257740| +----------------------------------------------------------------+ [Franz Heymann] |
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