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hedgehog 07-10-2003 06:12 PM

The Summer of doom
 
Fired with enthusiasm during 2000 I spent a small fortune turning my small
concrete London wilderness into something like a garden. Improving
appalling soil full of compacted ash and fireplace debris (and just why does
every old terraced house have broken china buried in the back garden -
didn't they have dustbins in the old days?). I composted everything I could
lay my hands on, nurtured my carefully selected plants, watered, fed and did
everything short of tucking them up into bed.

And what does 2003 bring? Drought (at least it kept the slugs and snails
down), mildew, aphids, mice (well - a mouse), blackfly, a fox tunnelling
under the shed , vine weevils and NOW what I'm 90% sure is the second New
Zealand flatworm of the year. I snipped it in half yesterday and it still
curls up in a most revolting manner - yuk.

So why has all my hard work resulted in what seems to be a haven for the
peskiest pests? Despite encouraging the birds with a fat ball and daily
topped up bird table I have negligible bird life - a pair of blue tits,
resident magpies, a single sad robin (sometimes), the occasional wren and
blackbird; and couple of fat wood pigeons breeding like the clappers who
are the only daily visitors. During the Summer there were endless
hoverflies and lacewings. I have lots of wood lice but rarely see a beetle.
Should I just wait for a balance to be reached or can I be more proactive?



Jane Ransom 07-10-2003 07:42 PM

The Summer of doom
 
In article , hedgehog hedgehog@hedge
hog.homechoice.co.uk writes

Should I just wait for a balance to be reached or can I be more proactive?

Yep :))))))))))
Except, I suppose, you could hunt the flatworms - there was a thread
about it a couple of years ago - something about providing them a nice
somethingOrOther to hide under, lifting it every couple of days and
doing for them.
Our garden reached a balance a few years ago but we have still had lots
of mildew this year :(
--
Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg
but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms
at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see



Mary Fisher 07-10-2003 08:02 PM

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why does
every old terraced house have broken china buried in the back garden -
didn't they have dustbins in the old days?).


They had middens.

But I still turn up potsherds (usually blue and white) in our garden which
has been cultivated since 1937 when the house (a semi) was built.

I've tried and tried saving them to make whole items but never have ...

Mary



Janet Baraclough 07-10-2003 08:22 PM

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from "hedgehog" contains these words:

and NOW what I'm 90% sure is the second New
Zealand flatworm of the year. I snipped it in half yesterday and it still
curls up in a most revolting manner - yuk.


You need to do more than that, to destroy their quite-large eggs
inside. I grind them underfoot on concrete until it's just a smear :-(.
Next, you need to hunt down its friends and family, under pots, plastic
sacks, stacked turves etc..anywhere cool and dark on the soil surface.

I discovered NZF here last spring and during The Purge killed dozens
more. I haven't seen any at all for several months and the earthworm
population is booming.

Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of them, and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am

(ducks and runs)

Janet

Mary Fisher 07-10-2003 08:32 PM

The Summer of doom
 

Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of them, and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am


Oh, don't spoil my image of you ... I rely on you to keep me from being
unique ...

Mary

(ducks and runs)

Janet




Ric 07-10-2003 08:42 PM

The Summer of doom
 

"hedgehog" wrote in message
...

I live in the south of France now, but I still look back on my little back
garden in London with great nostalgia. I think it amazing how all those
things manage to survive and thrive in such a polluted and dirty place as
London!


K 07-10-2003 09:27 PM

The Summer of doom
 

"Ric" wrote in message
...
:
: "hedgehog" wrote in message
: ...
:
: I live in the south of France now, but I still look back on my little back
: garden in London with great nostalgia. I think it amazing how all those
: things manage to survive and thrive in such a polluted and dirty place as
: London!
:
If that's the case, it must be amazing that all the inhabitants, including
me, have survived. The wonders of nature.

K



Jaques d'Altrades 07-10-2003 11:18 PM

The Summer of doom
 
The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of them, and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am


Oh, don't spoil my image of you ... I rely on you to keep me from being
unique ...


Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?

--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

hedgehog 08-10-2003 11:43 AM

The Summer of doom
 
Thanks for the support - I was just having a bit of a bad garden day.
Despite the weevils and flatworms there seems no obvious damage (yet).
Thanks also for the tip about the eggs - I chucked the remains in the bin
today. It was obviously a very stupid flatworm because I only noticed it
when moving an outside plastic doormat on the patio. It had trapped itself
in one of the small holes. I have very dry soil so maybe it was alone.

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "hedgehog" contains these words:

and NOW what I'm 90% sure is the second New
Zealand flatworm of the year. I snipped it in half yesterday and it

still
curls up in a most revolting manner - yuk.


You need to do more than that, to destroy their quite-large eggs
inside. I grind them underfoot on concrete until it's just a smear :-(.
Next, you need to hunt down its friends and family, under pots, plastic
sacks, stacked turves etc..anywhere cool and dark on the soil surface.

I discovered NZF here last spring and during The Purge killed dozens
more. I haven't seen any at all for several months and the earthworm
population is booming.

Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of them, and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am

(ducks and runs)

Janet




JennyC 08-10-2003 12:43 PM

The Summer of doom
 

"Janet Baraclough" wrote
Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of them,

and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am

(ducks and runs)
Janet


Its amazing isn't it what you can learn later in life........ "~)

Jenny



JennyC 08-10-2003 12:43 PM

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"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these

words:

Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of

them, and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am


Oh, don't spoil my image of you ... I rely on you to keep me from

being
unique ...


Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?
Rusty Hinge


Wumpus doesn't 'do' URG (at least I don't think she does....)
Jenny



Jane Ransom 08-10-2003 04:04 PM

The Summer of doom
 
In article , hedgehog hedgehog@hedge
hog.homechoice.co.uk writes
Thanks for the support - I was just having a bit of a bad garden day.
Despite the weevils and flatworms there seems no obvious damage (yet).
Thanks also for the tip about the eggs - I chucked the remains in the bin
today.



Er . . I think that is illegal, isn't it?
You are supposed to notify the authorities aren't you?
Anyway, chucking it in the bin without following Janet's advice will do
nothing but spread the things elsewhere :(((((((((((
--
Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg
but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms
at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see



Janet Baraclough 08-10-2003 06:03 PM

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The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these

words:


Oh, don't spoil my image of you ... I rely on you to keep me from

being
unique ...


Get some delusions of your own, woman, then you won't be unique and I
won't have anything to worry about.

There. Feel better now?

Janet.

Janet Baraclough 08-10-2003 06:03 PM

The Summer of doom
 
The message
from "JennyC" contains these words:

Its amazing isn't it what you can learn later in life........ "~)


Keep trying and pray for a miracle, Jenny

8-}

Janet.



Mary Fisher 08-10-2003 06:12 PM

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"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of them, and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am


Oh, don't spoil my image of you ... I rely on you to keep me from being
unique ...


Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?


Erm ... I'm all over the place. Leeds based (Yorkshire). On telly next
month.

Mary

--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm




Mary Fisher 08-10-2003 06:12 PM

The Summer of doom
 



Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?
Rusty Hinge


Wumpus doesn't 'do' URG (at least I don't think she does....)
Jenny


Oh! I thought that by ignoring that word I wouldn't be showing my ignorance.

However, now that it's been brought into the open, what's a wumpus?

Mary





Mary Fisher 08-10-2003 06:12 PM

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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...


The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these

words:


Oh, don't spoil my image of you ... I rely on you to keep me from

being
unique ...


Get some delusions of your own, woman, then you won't be unique and I
won't have anything to worry about.

There. Feel better now?


Er - no - I wasn't worried and don't THINK I have delusions.

:-)

Mary

Janet.




Mary Fisher 08-10-2003 06:22 PM

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"JennyC" wrote in message
...

"Janet Baraclough" wrote
Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of them,

and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am

(ducks and runs)
Janet


Its amazing isn't it what you can learn later in life........ "~)


It hasn't helped me.

Yes, one continues learning and putting things into the memory.

Retrieval, however, is another matter ...

What was all this about anyway?

Mary

Jenny





Nick Maclaren 08-10-2003 06:32 PM

The Summer of doom
 
In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:




"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of them, and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am


Oh, don't spoil my image of you ... I rely on you to keep me from being
unique ...


Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?


Erm ... I'm all over the place. Leeds based (Yorkshire). On telly next
month.


Wumpus? As in:

www.atariarchives.org/bcc1/showpage.php?page=247


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

JennyC 08-10-2003 08:32 PM

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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...



Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?
Rusty Hinge


Wumpus doesn't 'do' URG (at least I don't think she does....)
Jenny


Oh! I thought that by ignoring that word I wouldn't be showing my

ignorance.

However, now that it's been brought into the open, what's a wumpus?
Mary


Very rare breed of...................
Jenny



Mary Fisher 08-10-2003 08:32 PM

The Summer of doom
 


"JennyC" wrote in message
...

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...



Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?
Rusty Hinge

Wumpus doesn't 'do' URG (at least I don't think she does....)
Jenny


Oh! I thought that by ignoring that word I wouldn't be showing my

ignorance.

However, now that it's been brought into the open, what's a wumpus?
Mary


Very rare breed of...................


does a quick check in the RBST list ...

No, still don't know ... do tell :-)

Mary
Jenny





Mary Fisher 08-10-2003 08:32 PM

The Summer of doom
 



Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of them,

and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am

Oh, don't spoil my image of you ... I rely on you to keep me from

being
unique ...

Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?


Erm ... I'm all over the place. Leeds based (Yorkshire). On telly next
month.


Wumpus? As in:

www.atariarchives.org/bcc1/showpage.php?page=247

Um. I looked at that and it was blank apart from garish stripes on the left
....

Mary

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.




martin 08-10-2003 09:22 PM

The Summer of doom
 
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:23:33 +0200, "JennyC" wrote:


"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
et...



Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?
Rusty Hinge

Wumpus doesn't 'do' URG (at least I don't think she does....)
Jenny


Oh! I thought that by ignoring that word I wouldn't be showing my

ignorance.

However, now that it's been brought into the open, what's a wumpus?
Mary


Very rare breed of...................


http://www.cherryjam.pwp.blueyonder....pus/wumpus.htm
--
Martin

Jaques d'Altrades 09-10-2003 12:03 AM

The Summer of doom
 
The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

Wumpus? As in:

www.atariarchives.org/bcc1/showpage.php?page=247

Um. I looked at that and it was blank apart from garish stripes on the left


Try http://www.cherryjam.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

Jaques d'Altrades 09-10-2003 12:03 AM

The Summer of doom
 
The message
from "JennyC" contains these words:

However, now that it's been brought into the open, what's a wumpus?
Mary


Very rare breed of...................


Practises kick-boxing in the cellar..........

--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

bnd777 09-10-2003 12:36 AM

The Summer of doom
 

"Ric" wrote in message
...

"hedgehog" wrote in message
...

I live in the south of France now, but I still look back on my little back
garden in London with great nostalgia. I think it amazing how all those
things manage to survive and thrive in such a polluted and dirty place as
London!


So would you recomend the South of France
can we all make an exodus of the UK



bnd777 09-10-2003 01:00 AM

The Summer of doom
 

"Ric" wrote in message
...

"hedgehog" wrote in message
...

I live in the south of France now, but I still look back on my little back
garden in London with great nostalgia. I think it amazing how all those
things manage to survive and thrive in such a polluted and dirty place as
London!


So would you recomend the South of France
can we all make an exodus of the UK



martin 09-10-2003 12:22 PM

The Summer of doom
 
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:31:37 +0000 (UTC), "bnd777"
wrote:


"Ric" wrote in message
...

"hedgehog" wrote in message
...

I live in the south of France now, but I still look back on my little back
garden in London with great nostalgia. I think it amazing how all those
things manage to survive and thrive in such a polluted and dirty place as
London!


So would you recomend the South of France
can we all make an exodus of the UK


there's nothing to stop you doing the same
--
Martin

martin 09-10-2003 12:23 PM

The Summer of doom
 
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:31:37 +0000 (UTC), "bnd777"
wrote:


"Ric" wrote in message
...

"hedgehog" wrote in message
...

I live in the south of France now, but I still look back on my little back
garden in London with great nostalgia. I think it amazing how all those
things manage to survive and thrive in such a polluted and dirty place as
London!


So would you recomend the South of France
can we all make an exodus of the UK


there's nothing to stop you doing the same
--
Martin

Mary Fisher 09-10-2003 08:43 PM

The Summer of doom
 



"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

Wumpus? As in:

www.atariarchives.org/bcc1/showpage.php?page=247

Um. I looked at that and it was blank apart from garish stripes on the

left

Try http://www.cherryjam.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/


OK, I did that. But I still don't understand ... I was in a fever hospital
when I was five years old ... It's a breast cancer clinic now. Been there
too.

Mary

--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm




Mary Fisher 09-10-2003 08:43 PM

The Summer of doom
 


"bnd777" wrote in message
...

"Ric" wrote in message
...

"hedgehog" wrote in message
...

I live in the south of France now, but I still look back on my little

back
garden in London with great nostalgia. I think it amazing how all those
things manage to survive and thrive in such a polluted and dirty place

as
London!


So would you recomend the South of France
can we all make an exodus of the UK


When the recent horrid events (Dr Kelly) happened I didn't want to be part
of it so looked at the web site for New Zealand.

For someone our age you have to have millions of pounds.

We'll have to make the best of it here, we wouldn't want to go to a European
(i.e. foreign) country. Apart from politics it really is wonderful here.

Mary



Janet Baraclough 09-10-2003 10:32 PM

The Summer of doom
 
The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

When the recent horrid events (Dr Kelly) happened I didn't want to be part
of it so looked at the web site for New Zealand.

For someone our age you have to have millions of pounds.


We'll have to make the best of it here, we wouldn't want to go to a European
(i.e. foreign) country. Apart from politics it really is wonderful here.


AFAIK both NZ and Australia award concessionary immigration permits
for the aged parents of younger immigrant workers. So all you have to do
is send ahead a selection of your offspring to take root. You might
consider Australia; great climate, gardening and lifestyle.

Janet.


Mary Fisher 09-10-2003 11:02 PM

The Summer of doom
 

AFAIK both NZ and Australia award concessionary immigration permits
for the aged parents of younger immigrant workers. So all you have to do
is send ahead a selection of your offspring to take root.


LOL!

They're all very settled here and wouldn't move.

.. You might
consider Australia; great climate, gardening and lifestyle.


I think we'd prefer NZ. Apouse applied for a job there in 1970 or 1971, we
did a lot of research and were very disappointed when he didn't get it.

It would be a huge wrench to move even outside Yorkshire now! It has
everything we want. We've resolved to ignore politics.

Mary

Janet.




martin 10-10-2003 02:02 PM

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:27:09 +0100, Janet Baraclough
wrote:

The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

When the recent horrid events (Dr Kelly) happened I didn't want to be part
of it so looked at the web site for New Zealand.

For someone our age you have to have millions of pounds.


We'll have to make the best of it here, we wouldn't want to go to a European
(i.e. foreign) country. Apart from politics it really is wonderful here.


AFAIK both NZ and Australia award concessionary immigration permits
for the aged parents of younger immigrant workers. So all you have to do
is send ahead a selection of your offspring to take root. You might
consider Australia; great climate, gardening and lifestyle.


and if you have sent your 90 year old dad ahead, then what?
--
Martin

Kay Easton 10-10-2003 08:32 PM

The Summer of doom
 
In article , JennyC
writes

"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these

words:

Don't worry about a few setbacks, all gardening is full of

them, and
has taught me to be the patient calm and equable person I am


Oh, don't spoil my image of you ... I rely on you to keep me from

being
unique ...


Wumpus! Where are you when we need a demo?
Rusty Hinge


Wumpus doesn't 'do' URG (at least I don't think she does....)


She lurks when she's in a good mood. Which isn't often ;-)

--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Jaques d'Altrades 11-10-2003 04:22 AM

The Summer of doom
 
The message
from Janet Baraclough contains these words:

AFAIK both NZ and Australia award concessionary immigration permits
for the aged parents of younger immigrant workers. So all you have to do
is send ahead a selection of your offspring to take root. You might
consider Australia; great climate, gardening and lifestyle.


belch

Yeah. And the culture is sickond to none. Ask Sir Les Patterson, he'll
tell you.

Tinny, inyone?

--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

Christopher Norton 11-10-2003 09:02 AM

The Summer of doom
 
The message
from Jaques d'Altrades contains these words:

The message
from Janet Baraclough contains these words:


AFAIK both NZ and Australia award concessionary immigration permits
for the aged parents of younger immigrant workers. So all you have to do
is send ahead a selection of your offspring to take root. You might
consider Australia; great climate, gardening and lifestyle.


belch


Yeah. And the culture is sickond to none. Ask Sir Les Patterson, he'll
tell you.


Tinny, inyone?


--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm


My cousin thought it most bizarre that we could grow stuff in his winter
time! Mind you if you see fields of Pineapples just growing instead of
cabbage it makes a bit of an impression. Did to me anyway.

I did meet a man whose passion for life was his lawn. However, it`s a
lawn but not as we know it due to the lack of moisture. Very strange but
absolutly perfect. Like a rubber carpet you bounced on it when walking
and was about 2 inches thick before you hit the soil.

--
email farmer chris on
Please don`t use
as it`s a spam haven.

martin 11-10-2003 09:22 AM

The Summer of doom
 
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:36:47 +0100, Christopher Norton
wrote:

The message
from Jaques d'Altrades contains these words:

The message
from Janet Baraclough contains these words:


AFAIK both NZ and Australia award concessionary immigration permits
for the aged parents of younger immigrant workers. So all you have to do
is send ahead a selection of your offspring to take root. You might
consider Australia; great climate, gardening and lifestyle.


belch


Yeah. And the culture is sickond to none. Ask Sir Les Patterson, he'll
tell you.


Tinny, inyone?


--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm


My cousin thought it most bizarre that we could grow stuff in his winter
time! Mind you if you see fields of Pineapples just growing instead of
cabbage it makes a bit of an impression. Did to me anyway.

I did meet a man whose passion for life was his lawn. However, it`s a
lawn but not as we know it due to the lack of moisture. Very strange but
absolutly perfect. Like a rubber carpet you bounced on it when walking
and was about 2 inches thick before you hit the soil.


but not made of grass?
--
Martin

Janet Baraclough 11-10-2003 06:32 PM

The Summer of doom
 
The message
from Jaques d'Altrades contains these words:

The message
from Janet Baraclough contains these words:


AFAIK both NZ and Australia award concessionary immigration permits
for the aged parents of younger immigrant workers. So all you have to do
is send ahead a selection of your offspring to take root. You might
consider Australia; great climate, gardening and lifestyle.


belch


Yeah. And the culture is sickond to none. Ask Sir Les Patterson, he'll
tell you.


Tinny, inyone?


Spoken through your bowler hat, old boy?

Janet.

Christopher Norton 13-10-2003 01:12 PM

The Summer of doom
 
The message
from martin contains these words:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:36:47 +0100, Christopher Norton
wrote:


The message
from Jaques d'Altrades contains these words:

The message
from Janet Baraclough contains these words:


AFAIK both NZ and Australia award concessionary immigration permits
for the aged parents of younger immigrant workers. So all you
have to do
is send ahead a selection of your offspring to take root. You might
consider Australia; great climate, gardening and lifestyle.


belch


Yeah. And the culture is sickond to none. Ask Sir Les Patterson, he'll
tell you.


Tinny, inyone?


--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm


My cousin thought it most bizarre that we could grow stuff in his winter
time! Mind you if you see fields of Pineapples just growing instead of
cabbage it makes a bit of an impression. Did to me anyway.

I did meet a man whose passion for life was his lawn. However, it`s a
lawn but not as we know it due to the lack of moisture. Very strange but
absolutly perfect. Like a rubber carpet you bounced on it when walking
and was about 2 inches thick before you hit the soil.


but not made of grass?
--
Martin


Nope, was`nt a grass that i`d ever seen. More like a dense carpet of
succulants. Very strange. I`ll always remember lying on it in the
morning, a rib eye steak on the barbie, stubby of 4x heavy and talking
to my fiance on my mobile whilst looking out over Hervey Bay to Fraser
Island.

Chances are I`ll never go again.

--
email farmer chris on
Please don`t use
as it`s a spam haven.


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