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from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

And that's hollowpoint only. A ·22 LR can miss any immediately fatal
areas, and run off and die.

Eh? I was referring to hollowpoint! Don't they make .22 LR hollowpoint
any longer - it used to be virtually the only kind you could buy.

Nonsense! They do make hollowpoint, but they were always in a
considerable minority of bullet types.

Even a HV centrefire rifle expanding bullet doesn't always kill.

As I said, using too heavy a rifle is one of the known causes of
NOT killing cleanly. It is quite likely to go straight through.
Also, most of those bullets are designed to expand, whereas a .22
(long or magnum, not short) typically breaks up.

A HV expanding bullet very seldom goes through the body, head or neck
without the trauma killing the animal.

Trust me - I have been using rifles in stalking and keeping since 1963.

Now, the first shot had eviscerated it and removed its manhood. Its body
cavity was hollow right up to the diphragm.

And this is why I support fox hunting rather than shooting - the fox is
either quickly killed or it gets away.

(I used not to support fox hunting, but experience has taught me
differently.)

I certainly agree with that. The unspeakable Burns report very carefully
did not consider the cruelty involved in banning foxhunting - only that
in foxhunting itself.

Note that the method you were using was the one favoured by the Burns
report, except that it referred to a .22 rather than a .243. If the
keeper had hit where he was aiming for, of course, the fox would have
been dead with either.

But the keeper *DID* hit where he was aiming for. This is the whole
point. Even a marksman can't be sure of killing cleanly. I have seen a
red deer stag shot through the heart with a HV expanding bullet, and
run. The next shot cut the jugular, and it ran. The third shot (from
around 300 yards) was a headshot, which dropped it.

This resulted in some high humour. I'll post it on the wibble - I think
I've got it written up.
looks
No, I haven't.
/looks
In a nutshell, our gentleman was one Patrick of the Hills, nephew of
Gen. Sir Randle Fielden, one of the estate owners. Patrick was with us
on the Aberarder ground, while the General was shooting on the other
side of Loch Laggan on Ardverikie ground.

Murdie (the stalker) pointed out the stag he wanted shot. Patrick aimed
and fired. The stag ran. Patrick reloaded and fired a second shot. The
stag still ran. He stood and fired again, offhand. The stag dropped.

Murdie gralloched the beast and performed an autopsy. He pronounced that
the beast ought to have dropped with the first shot. The second shot had
cut the jugular, and the third one had smashed the atlas and axis
vertibrae.

I (the gillie) pulled the stag down to the waiting pony, and we loaded
it on and Ackie took the carcase back to the Aberarder Lodge pantry.

The General came to pick Patrick up for lunch. Now, three shots in
succession like that mean three shots at the same beast. The General
asked: "How many did you get?"

Patrick told how the first should have done the job, etc, loyally
backed-up by Murdie, and the General replied "Yeah, yeah, we've heard
all that before..." and they drove off. We had our piece on the hill and
waited for Patrick's return.

The afternoon was fine and a strong wind came from the South. (I lost my
hat - last seen heading for Creag Meggidh at sixty feet. Never did find
it.) As we ascended the mountain we heard from the other side of the
Loch:

BANG! BANG!
BANG! BANG!
BANG! BANG!
BANG! BANG! BANG!
BANG! BANG! BANG!


Patrick commented laconically: "Uncle's having a bad day."


imagine an hour and a half going by


sotto voce bang!

"John's got it." Said Murdie. John Duncan was the head stalker on the estate.


The General came and picked Patrick up in the evening.

"Well," asked Patrick: "did you win?"

--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

**** it , just light a spiff , enjoy the foxes, keep your guns and ammo for
the AMERICANS
"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
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from Jaques d'Altrades contains these words:


And that's hollowpoint only. A ·22 LR can miss any immediately fatal
areas, and run off and die.

Oops! Missed the fox innit.

What I meant to say was: A ·22 LR (solid) can miss any immediately fatal
areas, and the fox can run off and suffer a slow and painful death.

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Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

In article , Mick wrote:
**** it , just light a spiff , enjoy the foxes, keep your guns and ammo for
the AMERICANS

Kinky!

I asked a thief to steal me a peach:
He turned up his eyes.
I asked a lithe lady to lie her down:
Holy and meek, she cries.
As soon as I went,
An Angel came,
He winked at the thief,
And smiled at the dame:
And without one word spoke,
Had a peach from the tree,
And 'twixt earnest and joke
Enjoyed the lady.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.