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Edible plant taxonomy
I've used the "Taxonomy Browser" - at:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi ....to prepare a family tree of edible plants: http://sprouting.org/taxonomy/plants/ This is quite a large page - and takes a while to load and display. My tree contains much the same information as is in the database - but *only* the major edible plants are listed. This helps to remove clutter - manages to fit everything onto one page - and /hopefully/ makes it a lot easier to see what is related to what. This page may be of interest to those who are interested in the genetic relationships between edible plants. This might be of interest - for example - for those interested in ensuring they eat a genuinely diverse diet. Enjoy, -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ Remove lock to reply. |
Edible plant taxonomy
Tim Tyler wrote in message ...
I've used the "Taxonomy Browser" - at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi ...to prepare a family tree of edible plants: http://sprouting.org/taxonomy/plants/ This is quite a large page - and takes a while to load and display. My tree contains much the same information as is in the database - but *only* the major edible plants are listed. This helps to remove clutter - manages to fit everything onto one page - and /hopefully/ makes it a lot easier to see what is related to what. This page may be of interest to those who are interested in the genetic relationships between edible plants. This might be of interest - for example - for those interested in ensuring they eat a genuinely diverse diet. Excellent: thank you very much. One of the things I dealt with when working in world development education was that Ethiopians used a vastly greater range of food plants than we typically do in Europe and America. Your list narrows the gap a bit. Mike. |
Edible plant taxonomy
Mike Lyle wrote or quoted:
Tim Tyler wrote in message ... http://sprouting.org/taxonomy/plants/ Excellent: thank you very much. [...] Your list narrows the gap a bit. I /do/ plan to add more species as time passes. As well as the work involved, there is some tension between completeness - and having a page that doesn't take forever to load, and isn't too loaded with obscure species that nobody has heard of. Some things are missing because tracking down taxonomic information is not always trivial - but having said that, if anyone thinks I'm missing important species, feel free to tell me about it - and I'll see what I can do. I found preparing the page very instructive. For instance, I learned that coffee "beans" and chocolate "beans" are not related to other beans - or to each other - and that chocolate, okra and durian most likely share their pentagonal symmetry - and other properties - through a genetic relationship. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ Remove lock to reply. |
Edible plant taxonomy
Mike Lyle wrote or quoted:
Tim Tyler wrote in message ... http://sprouting.org/taxonomy/plants/ Excellent: thank you very much. [...] Your list narrows the gap a bit. I /do/ plan to add more species as time passes. As well as the work involved, there is some tension between completeness - and having a page that doesn't take forever to load, and isn't too loaded with obscure species that nobody has heard of. Some things are missing because tracking down taxonomic information is not always trivial - but having said that, if anyone thinks I'm missing important species, feel free to tell me about it - and I'll see what I can do. I found preparing the page very instructive. For instance, I learned that coffee "beans" and chocolate "beans" are not related to other beans - or to each other - and that chocolate, okra and durian most likely share their pentagonal symmetry - and other properties - through a genetic relationship. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ Remove lock to reply. |
Edible plant taxonomy
In article , Tim Tyler writes
I've used the "Taxonomy Browser" - at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi IIRC, the Taxonomy Browser only contains those plants for which DNA sequences are available in GenBank/EMBL/DDBJ/Sanger Institute. Therefore it is possible that some plants cultivated for food are not listed therein. (Crop plants will be disproportionately listed, but need not all be present.) Also, the Taxonomy Browser isn't completely accurate. ...to prepare a family tree of edible plants: Is tobacco really edible? http://sprouting.org/taxonomy/plants/ You've got Apiales and Lamiales in twice. You might like to check the tree for Asterids - it doesn't look right, but the classification might have changed again. Also Fagaceae and Betulaceae should be under Fagales, rather than directly under Eurosids I. I recommend the Angiosperm Phylogeny Website for the latest word on classification. See URL:http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/Research/APweb/. This is quite a large page - and takes a while to load and display. My tree contains much the same information as is in the database - but *only* the major edible plants are listed. I think you should have kola (Cola acuminata - Malvaceae/Byttneroideae), and jute (Corchorus olitorius - Malvaceae/Grewioideae). (Jute is a salad vegetable as well as a fibre crop.) The zed in Zibethinus shouldn't be capitalised. There's other malvaceous plants used as food, but perhaps they're not 'major'. (But I would have thought that several were more used than Malva neglecta.) As far as I know cottonseed oil is only used in animal feeds. (It's poisonous in sufficient dosage, so people have to worry about feed formulation.) I guess that you ought to have the currants under Ribes, as well as gooseberry. (Ribes nigrum and Ribes rubrum, IIRC.) -- Stewart Robert Hinsley http://www.meden.demon.co.uk/Malvaceae/Malvaceae.html |
Edible plant taxonomy
In article , Tim Tyler writes
For instance, I learned that coffee "beans" and chocolate "beans" are not related to other beans - or to each other - and that chocolate, okra and durian most likely share their pentagonal symmetry - and other properties - through a genetic relationship. These three species are all malvaceous, but not all malvaceous plants have 5 sepals and petals - several, including Sparrmannia, have 4, and Octolobus has 8 sepals (no petals). A corolla of 4 or 5 petals is a trait shared by a large subclade of the eudicots - last I tried I failed to work out exactly how large - so these three species share a closer genetic relationship that indicated by the pentagonal symmetry. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Edible plant taxonomy
In article , Tim Tyler writes
I've used the "Taxonomy Browser" - at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi IIRC, the Taxonomy Browser only contains those plants for which DNA sequences are available in GenBank/EMBL/DDBJ/Sanger Institute. Therefore it is possible that some plants cultivated for food are not listed therein. (Crop plants will be disproportionately listed, but need not all be present.) Also, the Taxonomy Browser isn't completely accurate. ...to prepare a family tree of edible plants: Is tobacco really edible? http://sprouting.org/taxonomy/plants/ You've got Apiales and Lamiales in twice. You might like to check the tree for Asterids - it doesn't look right, but the classification might have changed again. Also Fagaceae and Betulaceae should be under Fagales, rather than directly under Eurosids I. I recommend the Angiosperm Phylogeny Website for the latest word on classification. See URL:http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/Research/APweb/. This is quite a large page - and takes a while to load and display. My tree contains much the same information as is in the database - but *only* the major edible plants are listed. I think you should have kola (Cola acuminata - Malvaceae/Byttneroideae), and jute (Corchorus olitorius - Malvaceae/Grewioideae). (Jute is a salad vegetable as well as a fibre crop.) The zed in Zibethinus shouldn't be capitalised. There's other malvaceous plants used as food, but perhaps they're not 'major'. (But I would have thought that several were more used than Malva neglecta.) As far as I know cottonseed oil is only used in animal feeds. (It's poisonous in sufficient dosage, so people have to worry about feed formulation.) I guess that you ought to have the currants under Ribes, as well as gooseberry. (Ribes nigrum and Ribes rubrum, IIRC.) -- Stewart Robert Hinsley http://www.meden.demon.co.uk/Malvaceae/Malvaceae.html |
Edible plant taxonomy
In article , Tim Tyler writes
For instance, I learned that coffee "beans" and chocolate "beans" are not related to other beans - or to each other - and that chocolate, okra and durian most likely share their pentagonal symmetry - and other properties - through a genetic relationship. These three species are all malvaceous, but not all malvaceous plants have 5 sepals and petals - several, including Sparrmannia, have 4, and Octolobus has 8 sepals (no petals). A corolla of 4 or 5 petals is a trait shared by a large subclade of the eudicots - last I tried I failed to work out exactly how large - so these three species share a closer genetic relationship that indicated by the pentagonal symmetry. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Edible plant taxonomy
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote or quoted:
In article , Tim Tyler writes I've used the "Taxonomy Browser" - at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi IIRC, the Taxonomy Browser only contains those plants for which DNA sequences are available in GenBank/EMBL/DDBJ/Sanger Institute. Therefore it is possible that some plants cultivated for food are not listed therein. (Crop plants will be disproportionately listed, but need not all be present.) Also, the Taxonomy Browser isn't completely accurate. I'm not above using other sources of information - where available. ...to prepare a family tree of edible plants: Is tobacco really edible? ;-) I reserve the right to include a few species that people only chew on... http://sprouting.org/taxonomy/plants/ You've got Apiales and Lamiales in twice. You might like to check the tree for Asterids - it doesn't look right, but the classification might have changed again. Also Fagaceae and Betulaceae should be under Fagales, rather than directly under Eurosids I. I recommend the Angiosperm Phylogeny Website for the latest word on classification. See URL:http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/Research/APweb/. I think you should have kola (Cola acuminata - Malvaceae/Byttneroideae), and jute (Corchorus olitorius - Malvaceae/Grewioideae). (Jute is a salad vegetable as well as a fibre crop.) The zed in Zibethinus shouldn't be capitalised. Thanks for these points - I'll look into them. I only capitized the "z" out of my sincere regard for all things Durian ;-) chocolate, okra and durian most likely share their pentagonal symmetry - and other properties - through a genetic relationship. These three species are all malvaceous, but not all malvaceous plants have 5 sepals and petals - several, including Sparrmannia, have 4, and Octolobus has 8 sepals (no petals). A corolla of 4 or 5 petals is a trait shared by a large subclade of the eudicots - last I tried I failed to work out exactly how large - so these three species share a closer genetic relationship that indicated by the pentagonal symmetry. I see, I think ;-) There's other malvaceous plants used as food, but perhaps they're not 'major'. (But I would have thought that several were more used than Malva neglecta.) As far as I know cottonseed oil is only used in animal feeds. [...] Alas, I am rathr ignorant of all things mallow - but was keen to include /something/ from this branch of the family. The only "mallow family" plant's I've consumed personally are okra, chocolate and durian. However, I'm extremely curious about other members of the family - since they plainly have remarkable relatives. I guess that you ought to have the currants under Ribes, as well as gooseberry. (Ribes nigrum and Ribes rubrum, IIRC.) Black, white and red currants were all conspicuous by their absence. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ Remove lock to reply. |
Edible plant taxonomy
I, Tim Tyler wrote or quoted:
Alas, I am rathr ignorant of all things mallow [...] Judging by: http://www.meden.demon.co.uk/ I seem to have stumbled onto a bit of a mallow expert ;-) ....but no pictures of okra, cocoa or durian? What gives? ;-) I've made all the changes to: http://sprouting.org/taxonomy/plants/ ....that were suggested. Thanks again for your comments. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ Remove lock to reply. |
Edible plant taxonomy
In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes I think you should have kola (Cola acuminata - Malvaceae/Byttneroideae), Oops. Memory glitch. Cola acuminata is in Sterculioideae, -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Edible plant taxonomy
In article , Tim Tyler writes
Judging by: http://www.meden.demon.co.uk/ I seem to have stumbled onto a bit of a mallow expert ;-) ...but no pictures of okra, cocoa or durian? What gives? ;-) For okra see Abelmoschus Gallery. For cocao see Theobroma Gallery. Photographing durians in the UK is a little difficult; they're not hardy, and they're too big for glasshouses. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Edible plant taxonomy
In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes I think you should have kola (Cola acuminata - Malvaceae/Byttneroideae), Oops. Memory glitch. Cola acuminata is in Sterculioideae, -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Edible plant taxonomy
In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes I think you should have kola (Cola acuminata - Malvaceae/Byttneroideae), Oops. Memory glitch. Cola acuminata is in Sterculioideae, -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Edible plant taxonomy
In article , Tim Tyler writes
Judging by: http://www.meden.demon.co.uk/ I seem to have stumbled onto a bit of a mallow expert ;-) ...but no pictures of okra, cocoa or durian? What gives? ;-) For okra see Abelmoschus Gallery. For cocao see Theobroma Gallery. Photographing durians in the UK is a little difficult; they're not hardy, and they're too big for glasshouses. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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