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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
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from "Anthony" contains these words: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... So he did in fact say that QUOTE "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" UNQUOTE. Yes but it WASN'T the FULL QUOTE, which affected its meaning. It's my post which you accuse of misquoting, Anthony. If you read it again, you'll see that I quoted Gary's point in full in my previous paragraph. So it's clear there was no intention to conceal its context or alter intended meaning. Again, Quote to me where in the charter of urg. it specifies the discussion of allotments. If it not specified it is strictly speaking OFF topic. ** **That is untrue, the urg charter says the opposite. Here it is; charter of uk.rec.gardening. To discuss gardening issues relevant to the UK. //\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ These will include flowers, shrubs, trees, fruit & vegetables, lawns,houseplants, beneficial insects & animals, soils, composting, design, location, situation, seasons/times, hard structures (paths,greenhouses, cloches, rockeries), ponds, tools & materials, weeds and pests & diseases. ** This is not meant to be an exhaustive list. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ In the absence of more appropriate, geographically specific newsgroups, discussion of gardening in Eire, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man will also be welcome. Because there are climatic, legal, cultural and other differences, discussion of gardening in other parts of the world is OFF TOPIC (there are other regional gardening newsgroups, and the global rec.gardens, one of which may be more appropriate). Please note that this exclusion relates to subject matter, not people, and posters from around the globe will be welcome to participate in or initiate discussion of UK-relevant topics. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Specifically, please remember that there is no direct correlation between US climate zones and the climate of the UK. (end quote of urg charter).......................................... ........................ Time and again, urg posters have repeated that all the topics which Gary wishes to discuss in a separate group, are on topic on urg and have long been discussed; including allotment availability, rules, management, prices, open days etc.(Just as we discuss public gardens, botanical gardens, their management, prices, open days, meetings, etc..they are all relevant to UK gardening. (Franz said) Please look at the list of current threads. What? Just started one have you? Not the ones I saw. Allotment posts occur frequently on urg, it's nothing unusual. But I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to oppose just because the proposer hasn't posted enough to urg in the past, or has chosen to remain on the sidelines. Look up the requirements for the formation of a new group within the Big 8 hierarchy on usenet. A new-group proposal is supposed to fill an empty niche, to provide a discussion opportunity that isn't available elsewhere. Urg is an active rec.group where discussion of allotments is on topic, frequent,welcomed, and has covered all the issues Gary claims to need a new group for.So the fact that what Gary proposes has been long-established within the same usenet hierarchy, and he doesn't make use of it, is a relevant issue to informed voters. I suspect that his earlier claim to be an urg lurker was as inaccurate as his "summary of the RFD discussion" in the CFV, his claim that the new group will benefit urg, and your claim about this group's charter. If Gary's proposal doesn't meet the required standard to form a group within the Big 8 hierarchies, he could always go downmarket and start an alt.group about allotments. Oops, I'm forgetting..he already thought of that, and got blown out of the water then too, for equally good reasons. Google/groups search facility is such a mixed blessing, isn't it? :-) Janet |
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