Compost or peat
 

Karl Kimpton2/3/04 4:22
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.

Some composts include peat in varying degrees with equally varying degrees
of loam and fertiliser and some do not include peat at all. But they're
peat-free compost.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Compost or peat
 

In article ww21c.2120$vY.1411@newsfe1-win, Karl Kimpton
writes
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.

Peat:

natural product, basically decomposed plant remains that builds up in
acidic bog areas. Highly endangered habitat in the UK, so avoid using
it.

Compost:

a) decomposed plant remains produced by the gardener in his/her own
compost heap

b) made up mixture used for planting. Commercially available composts
include those based on soil (eg John Innes formulas), soilless composts,
usually based on peat, and peat-free composts based on coir or bark
chippings.

--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Compost or peat
 

Karl Kimpton2/3/04 4:22
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.

Some composts include peat in varying degrees with equally varying degrees
of loam and fertiliser and some do not include peat at all. But they're
peat-free compost.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Compost or peat
 

In article ww21c.2120$vY.1411@newsfe1-win, Karl Kimpton
writes
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.

Peat:

natural product, basically decomposed plant remains that builds up in
acidic bog areas. Highly endangered habitat in the UK, so avoid using
it.

Compost:

a) decomposed plant remains produced by the gardener in his/her own
compost heap

b) made up mixture used for planting. Commercially available composts
include those based on soil (eg John Innes formulas), soilless composts,
usually based on peat, and peat-free composts based on coir or bark
chippings.

--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Compost or peat
 

"Karl Kimpton" wrote in message
news:ww21c.2120$vY.1411@newsfe1-win...
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat
and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.


AFAIK peat (although burning well on the right kind of fire) does not
contain much in the way of nutrients.

It improves soil, giving it water retention and a more open structure (good
for both clay and sandy soils).

It is used to bulk out composts (which should also contain a balance of
nutrients to feed plants).

Not recommended to plant into a bale of Irish Peat (or even Irish Pete).

You can get loam based composts (John Innes 1,2,3) or compost based on other
organic fibre e.g. coir.

The demand for peat is outstripping supply, leading to a loss of natural
habitats.

Unfortunately the alternatives do not seem to perform as well as peat, so
most compost, Gro Bags etc. are still AFAIK peat based.

HTH

Dave R

Compost or peat
 

"Karl Kimpton" wrote in message
news:ww21c.2120$vY.1411@newsfe1-win...
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat
and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.


AFAIK peat (although burning well on the right kind of fire) does not
contain much in the way of nutrients.

It improves soil, giving it water retention and a more open structure (good
for both clay and sandy soils).

It is used to bulk out composts (which should also contain a balance of
nutrients to feed plants).

Not recommended to plant into a bale of Irish Peat (or even Irish Pete).

You can get loam based composts (John Innes 1,2,3) or compost based on other
organic fibre e.g. coir.

The demand for peat is outstripping supply, leading to a loss of natural
habitats.

Unfortunately the alternatives do not seem to perform as well as peat, so
most compost, Gro Bags etc. are still AFAIK peat based.

HTH

Dave R

Compost or peat
 

Karl Kimpton2/3/04 4:22
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.

Some composts include peat in varying degrees with equally varying degrees
of loam and fertiliser and some do not include peat at all. But they're
peat-free compost.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Compost or peat
 

In article ww21c.2120$vY.1411@newsfe1-win, Karl Kimpton
writes
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.

Peat:

natural product, basically decomposed plant remains that builds up in
acidic bog areas. Highly endangered habitat in the UK, so avoid using
it.

Compost:

a) decomposed plant remains produced by the gardener in his/her own
compost heap

b) made up mixture used for planting. Commercially available composts
include those based on soil (eg John Innes formulas), soilless composts,
usually based on peat, and peat-free composts based on coir or bark
chippings.

--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Compost or peat
 

Karl Kimpton2/3/04 4:22
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.

Some composts include peat in varying degrees with equally varying degrees
of loam and fertiliser and some do not include peat at all. But they're
peat-free compost.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Compost or peat
 

In article ww21c.2120$vY.1411@newsfe1-win, Karl Kimpton
writes
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.

Peat:

natural product, basically decomposed plant remains that builds up in
acidic bog areas. Highly endangered habitat in the UK, so avoid using
it.

Compost:

a) decomposed plant remains produced by the gardener in his/her own
compost heap

b) made up mixture used for planting. Commercially available composts
include those based on soil (eg John Innes formulas), soilless composts,
usually based on peat, and peat-free composts based on coir or bark
chippings.

--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Compost or peat
 

"Karl Kimpton" wrote in message
news:ww21c.2120$vY.1411@newsfe1-win...
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat
and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.


AFAIK peat (although burning well on the right kind of fire) does not
contain much in the way of nutrients.

It improves soil, giving it water retention and a more open structure (good
for both clay and sandy soils).

It is used to bulk out composts (which should also contain a balance of
nutrients to feed plants).

Not recommended to plant into a bale of Irish Peat (or even Irish Pete).

You can get loam based composts (John Innes 1,2,3) or compost based on other
organic fibre e.g. coir.

The demand for peat is outstripping supply, leading to a loss of natural
habitats.

Unfortunately the alternatives do not seem to perform as well as peat, so
most compost, Gro Bags etc. are still AFAIK peat based.

HTH

Dave R

Compost or peat
 

"Karl Kimpton" wrote in message
news:ww21c.2120$vY.1411@newsfe1-win...
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between compost and peat
and
if it does the same thing? Many thanks.
Karl.


AFAIK peat (although burning well on the right kind of fire) does not
contain much in the way of nutrients.

It improves soil, giving it water retention and a more open structure (good
for both clay and sandy soils).

It is used to bulk out composts (which should also contain a balance of
nutrients to feed plants).

Not recommended to plant into a bale of Irish Peat (or even Irish Pete).

You can get loam based composts (John Innes 1,2,3) or compost based on other
organic fibre e.g. coir.

The demand for peat is outstripping supply, leading to a loss of natural
habitats.

Unfortunately the alternatives do not seem to perform as well as peat, so
most compost, Gro Bags etc. are still AFAIK peat based.

HTH

Dave R

Compost or peat
 

In article , David W.E.
Roberts writes
Unfortunately the alternatives do not seem to perform as well as peat, so
most compost, Gro Bags etc. are still AFAIK peat based.

The alternatives are becoming more numerous and are improving. I use New
Horizon peat free, which has performed quite well in tests, and does OK
for me. Nice to handle, too.
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Compost or peat
 

In article , David W.E.
Roberts writes
Unfortunately the alternatives do not seem to perform as well as peat, so
most compost, Gro Bags etc. are still AFAIK peat based.

The alternatives are becoming more numerous and are improving. I use New
Horizon peat free, which has performed quite well in tests, and does OK
for me. Nice to handle, too.
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Compost or peat
 

Xref: kermit uk.rec.gardening:190167

"Kay Easton" wrote in message
...
In article , David W.E.
Roberts writes
Unfortunately the alternatives do not seem to perform as well as peat, so
most compost, Gro Bags etc. are still AFAIK peat based.

The alternatives are becoming more numerous and are improving. I use New
Horizon peat free, which has performed quite well in tests, and does OK
for me. Nice to handle, too.
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

On a similar note, the one replacement I would like to see is a reliable
peat replacement for carnivorous plants. I have several Sundews, Pitcher
plants, and Venus fly traps, which could do with potting on. The idea of
buying the 70l bag of pure peat is abhorrent to me, I simply don't want to,
even thoug it is only a few pounds.

So does anybody know if any of the peat replacements are adequate for bog
based carnivorous plants ?

I have found a cheap source of sedge peat, but I find it difficult to
believe that this would be nutrient free like the bog peat, though I haven't
checked online yet

Cheers
Duncan

Compost or peat
 

Xref: kermit uk.rec.gardening:190167

"Kay Easton" wrote in message
...
In article , David W.E.
Roberts writes
Unfortunately the alternatives do not seem to perform as well as peat, so
most compost, Gro Bags etc. are still AFAIK peat based.

The alternatives are becoming more numerous and are improving. I use New
Horizon peat free, which has performed quite well in tests, and does OK
for me. Nice to handle, too.
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

On a similar note, the one replacement I would like to see is a reliable
peat replacement for carnivorous plants. I have several Sundews, Pitcher
plants, and Venus fly traps, which could do with potting on. The idea of
buying the 70l bag of pure peat is abhorrent to me, I simply don't want to,
even thoug it is only a few pounds.

So does anybody know if any of the peat replacements are adequate for bog
based carnivorous plants ?

I have found a cheap source of sedge peat, but I find it difficult to
believe that this would be nutrient free like the bog peat, though I haven't
checked online yet

Cheers
Duncan

Compost or peat
 

I have found a cheap source of sedge peat, but I find it difficult to
believe that this would be nutrient free like the bog peat, though I
haven't
checked online yet

Don't use sedge peat, I've learnt the hard way that carnivorous plants hate
it. I use Irish moss peat now, and they thrive in it.

I use a 50/50 peat/sand or perlite mix, and its works great for all my
carnivourous plants.

Regards,

Stuart Forbes
Edinburgh, Scotland

Compost or peat
 

Xref: kermit uk.rec.gardening:190167

"Kay Easton" wrote in message
...
In article , David W.E.
Roberts writes
Unfortunately the alternatives do not seem to perform as well as peat, so
most compost, Gro Bags etc. are still AFAIK peat based.

The alternatives are becoming more numerous and are improving. I use New
Horizon peat free, which has performed quite well in tests, and does OK
for me. Nice to handle, too.
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

On a similar note, the one replacement I would like to see is a reliable
peat replacement for carnivorous plants. I have several Sundews, Pitcher
plants, and Venus fly traps, which could do with potting on. The idea of
buying the 70l bag of pure peat is abhorrent to me, I simply don't want to,
even thoug it is only a few pounds.

So does anybody know if any of the peat replacements are adequate for bog
based carnivorous plants ?

I have found a cheap source of sedge peat, but I find it difficult to
believe that this would be nutrient free like the bog peat, though I haven't
checked online yet

Cheers
Duncan

Compost or peat
 

I have found a cheap source of sedge peat, but I find it difficult to
believe that this would be nutrient free like the bog peat, though I
haven't
checked online yet

Don't use sedge peat, I've learnt the hard way that carnivorous plants hate
it. I use Irish moss peat now, and they thrive in it.

I use a 50/50 peat/sand or perlite mix, and its works great for all my
carnivourous plants.

Regards,

Stuart Forbes
Edinburgh, Scotland

Compost or peat
 

I have found a cheap source of sedge peat, but I find it difficult to
believe that this would be nutrient free like the bog peat, though I
haven't
checked online yet

Don't use sedge peat, I've learnt the hard way that carnivorous plants hate
it. I use Irish moss peat now, and they thrive in it.

I use a 50/50 peat/sand or perlite mix, and its works great for all my
carnivourous plants.

Regards,

Stuart Forbes
Edinburgh, Scotland

Compost or peat
 

"Stuart Forbes" wrote in message
...
I have found a cheap source of sedge peat, but I find it difficult to
believe that this would be nutrient free like the bog peat, though I
haven't
checked online yet

Don't use sedge peat, I've learnt the hard way that carnivorous plants
hate
it. I use Irish moss peat now, and they thrive in it.

I use a 50/50 peat/sand or perlite mix, and its works great for all my
carnivourous plants.

Regards,

Stuart Forbes
Edinburgh, Scotland



Many thanks, that's saved me one expensive mistake. Now my only problem is
find a small supply of Irish Moss Peat. Last time I need this a kindly soul
at a very local GC took pity and game me some of theirs, from a split bag.
However they seem to have changed their policy toward such freebies !!!,
shame.

So do I now go against everything I believe in and buy some Irish Moss peat,
for the first time in years, just to pot up a half dozen small plants ? Plus
you can only buy the stuff in massive bales down here.

Duncan

Compost or peat
 

"Stuart Forbes" wrote in message
...
I have found a cheap source of sedge peat, but I find it difficult to
believe that this would be nutrient free like the bog peat, though I
haven't
checked online yet

Don't use sedge peat, I've learnt the hard way that carnivorous plants
hate
it. I use Irish moss peat now, and they thrive in it.

I use a 50/50 peat/sand or perlite mix, and its works great for all my
carnivourous plants.

Regards,

Stuart Forbes
Edinburgh, Scotland



Many thanks, that's saved me one expensive mistake. Now my only problem is
find a small supply of Irish Moss Peat. Last time I need this a kindly soul
at a very local GC took pity and game me some of theirs, from a split bag.
However they seem to have changed their policy toward such freebies !!!,
shame.

So do I now go against everything I believe in and buy some Irish Moss peat,
for the first time in years, just to pot up a half dozen small plants ? Plus
you can only buy the stuff in massive bales down here.

Duncan

Compost or peat
 

In article , "D Russell" writes:

So do I now go against everything I believe in and buy some Irish Moss peat,
for the first time in years, just to pot up a half dozen small plants ?


You know, they burn peat in power stations in Ireland:-)


Plus, you can only buy the stuff in massive bales down here.

True.

I compromise on this issue: I am prepared to use peat - or peat mixtures - for
house plants, *especially* specialist ones such as yours which have evolved with
it, but never in a garden, or a garden container.

I don't need peat for seedlings, either.

I suspect it is the commercial growers who are the big users: not your average
sundew lover:-)

Cheers,

keith






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Compost or peat
 

In article , "D Russell" writes:

So do I now go against everything I believe in and buy some Irish Moss peat,
for the first time in years, just to pot up a half dozen small plants ?


You know, they burn peat in power stations in Ireland:-)


Plus, you can only buy the stuff in massive bales down here.

True.

I compromise on this issue: I am prepared to use peat - or peat mixtures - for
house plants, *especially* specialist ones such as yours which have evolved with
it, but never in a garden, or a garden container.

I don't need peat for seedlings, either.

I suspect it is the commercial growers who are the big users: not your average
sundew lover:-)

Cheers,

keith






---
Iraq: 5 thousand million pounds, 60 lives, and counting...
The Politicians will now seek to blame the Spooks.

Compost or peat
 

In article , "D Russell" writes:

So do I now go against everything I believe in and buy some Irish Moss peat,
for the first time in years, just to pot up a half dozen small plants ?


You know, they burn peat in power stations in Ireland:-)


Plus, you can only buy the stuff in massive bales down here.

True.

I compromise on this issue: I am prepared to use peat - or peat mixtures - for
house plants, *especially* specialist ones such as yours which have evolved with
it, but never in a garden, or a garden container.

I don't need peat for seedlings, either.

I suspect it is the commercial growers who are the big users: not your average
sundew lover:-)

Cheers,

keith






---
Iraq: 5 thousand million pounds, 60 lives, and counting...
The Politicians will now seek to blame the Spooks.

Compost or peat
 

Keith Dancey4/3/04 3:28
In article , "D Russell" writes:

So do I now go against everything I believe in and buy some Irish Moss peat,
for the first time in years, just to pot up a half dozen small plants ?


You know, they burn peat in power stations in Ireland:-)

Yup. Don't know if it's still true but my husband tells me that they burn
more than is used in nurseries, too. ;-)
snip
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Compost or peat
 

Keith Dancey4/3/04 3:28
In article , "D Russell" writes:

So do I now go against everything I believe in and buy some Irish Moss peat,
for the first time in years, just to pot up a half dozen small plants ?


You know, they burn peat in power stations in Ireland:-)

Yup. Don't know if it's still true but my husband tells me that they burn
more than is used in nurseries, too. ;-)
snip
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)