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i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

thank you
Dave

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"dave manchester" wrote in message
om...
i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

thank you
Dave


So just to get this right, you want to buy a field, that may have no
planning permission for a dwelling and no prospect of it?

--
Tumbleweed

Remove my socks for email address

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"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
. ..

"dave manchester" wrote in message
om...
i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

thank you
Dave


So just to get this right, you want to buy a field, that may have no
planning permission for a dwelling and no prospect of it?

--
Tumbleweed

Why not? With the new human rights legislation that the pikeys have won,
anyone can live on land they own afaics.

Good luck with finding something,

mrcheerful

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"mrcheerful" wrote in message
...

"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
. ..

"dave manchester" wrote in message
om...
i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form
of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family
hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure
you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

thank you
Dave


So just to get this right, you want to buy a field, that may have no
planning permission for a dwelling and no prospect of it?

I think if it already has a building on it and piped water and leccy to it
( no matter what condition) essentially the right to planning permission
exists for a dwelling! Hence he asked for land and building.

Mind you, you would be lucky to get that for 20K in my area. Might get an
acre of ag land ( no building potential). No doubt somewhere its available
though.

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"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
...
The message
from (dave manchester) contains these words:

i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

I'm sorry D, but you are in cloud cuckoo land.
Any kind of one-acre containing a building and mains services,
commands premium value; far more than £20,000.


Janet.

Locally, many would accept the offer of 20K for a piece of land. " Just
bring your wheelbarrow around in the morning and you can fill it up"
Sorry. Best Wishes~~ and hope something works out for you. Brian

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The message
from (dave manchester) contains these words:

i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

I'm sorry D, but you are in cloud cuckoo land.
Any kind of one-acre containing a building and mains services,
commands premium value; far more than £20,000.


Janet.

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Mike I get the impression that you are not tooooooooooo keen on goats.
Please correct me if I am wrong, I'm not usually wrong, but I really do get
the impression that you and goats do not see eye to eye, head to head?????

Mike

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:05:26 +0100, mich wrote:

Might get an acre of ag land ( no building potential). No doubt
somewhere its available though.

Not decent ag land. Small (and I mean small) cottage went for =A327k
just down the road, no mains water, no drainage, has got mains leccy.
Building sound but in need of interior refurbishment.

The derelict barns, as in half fallen in roof, no window frames,
floors, ha! but with PP for conversion, with an acre or two of land go
for =A350,000+, the PP adds about =A320k to the price.

Mind you you couldn't hope to be self sufficient of the land round
here. The season is to short, the Daffs are in full bloom now, trees
are just breaking bud, we will have had the first snow of next winter
in 6 months time.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

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On 30 Apr 2004 12:05:03 -0700, (Mike Lyle)
wrote:


(I've found that goats are a bit chewy. And before that, they chew
things.)

Do they chew brambles and nettles?


"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

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Sacha wrote in message .uk...
dave manchester30/4/04 3:13

i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

thank you
Dave



Just to clarify, Dave - do you hope to convert and live in any such
building? Or are you intending to use the land as a smallholding, the
building as an equipment store and live elsewhere?


Thank you all for your replies, they are very much appreciated and are
a great help. especially the one about the goat.
I have made another post yesterday which explains my position a little
clearer, if that would help.
in an ideal world yes it would be nice to get a field with an old
house to restore that wouldn't need the planning consent and the
ground to be perfect and we all live happily ever after. but I know
that is not possible.
we have seen some potential sites but as usual if you have 30k to
spend they want 50 and if you have 50 you need 70.
prices do seem to fluctuate dramatically depending on the use of the
land and the location in the UK. I know inner-city building plots are
worth more than working land, probably due to the fact that who ever
should buy it will make more money.
At this moment in time we are unsure as to what is really out there
and what can realistically be achieved that is why all help is
appreciated more than you all realise.
we would want to live on the land and I personally feel that it could
be achievable on our tiny budget its just a matter of stumbling upon
the right place or bumping into the right person. I know its a long
shot but to be honest I don't have many other options at the moment.
maybe we are dreaming, maybe this cant be done, I never expected it to
be easy and would be quite disappointed if it was (I like to try the
impossible).
I will now begin my daily routine of searching the net and looking at
the classifieds.
thanks for taking the time posting your comments please keep the
advice coming

Dave

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You may find this of interest
http://pages.britishlibrary.net/patgardiner/wales.htm

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

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"Mike" wrote in message ...
Mike I get the impression that you are not tooooooooooo keen on goats.
Please correct me if I am wrong, I'm not usually wrong, but I really do get
the impression that you and goats do not see eye to eye, head to head?????

I can't see what gave you that idea.

Mike.

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"mich" wrote in message
...

"mrcheerful" wrote in message
...

"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
. ..

"dave manchester" wrote in message
om...
i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some
form
of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family
hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure
you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

thank you
Dave


So just to get this right, you want to buy a field, that may have no
planning permission for a dwelling and no prospect of it?

I think if it already has a building on it and piped water and leccy to
it
( no matter what condition) essentially the right to planning permission
exists for a dwelling! Hence he asked for land and building.


Of course it doesnt. For a start he said a building, which isnt the same as
a dwelling. There have been many court cases on this, for example I recall
reading about a farmer who had to demolish some 'pig sties' that bore a
remarkable resemblance to a detached bungalow.

--
email replies not necessary but to contact use;

tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

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On Sat, 1 May 2004 11:04:16 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:

Of course it doesnt. For a start he said a building, which isnt the same as
a dwelling. There have been many court cases on this, for example I recall
reading about a farmer who had to demolish some 'pig sties' that bore a
remarkable resemblance to a detached bungalow.

and my son lived in student accommodation, that bore a
remarkable resemblance to a pig sty :-)

It seems that land is cheap in Hungary, according to Radio 4 this
morning. I read that Dutch farmers, who have bought cheap farms/land
in Hungary, would like EU grants to help them develop their land.

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I can't see what gave you that idea.

Mike.

I'm WRONG??????????????
Me?

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:10:23 GMT, "mrcheerful"
wrote:


"Gwenhyffar Milgi" wrote in message
.. .
On 30 Apr 2004 12:05:03 -0700, (Mike Lyle)
wrote:


(I've found that goats are a bit chewy. And before that, they chew
things.)

Do they chew brambles and nettles?

Yes, they are fantastic at clearing overgrown areas. They are a lovely
pet, but you need to be around as they can get themselves in to trouble if
tethered, or will escape if loose. Climbing ability of my goats was
astonishing, able to balance on something about two inches across. Also
loved climbing onto and wrecking car bodywork, also eat washing and contents
of ashtrays.


Hmmm, that might just be what we need. We have an area of land,
bordered by 10 ft stone walls, that desperately needs clearing out. It
has brambles, nettles and all sorts there and it's a jungle.

Any idea what kind of goat might be the best for this? We've got foxes
and badgers, I don't know if they would be a threat to them?


"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

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Gwenhyffar Milgi wrote:
Any idea what kind of goat might be the best for this? We've got foxes
and badgers, I don't know if they would be a threat to them?

I've never *seen* a goat eat a fox, but I wouldn't be very surprised if one
did.

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Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!
Best Wishes.
"Kay Easton" wrote in message
...
In article , mich
writes


I think if it already has a building on it and piped water and leccy to
it
( no matter what condition) essentially the right to planning permission
exists for a dwelling! Hence he asked for land and building.

No, not if it was some sort of agricultural building or workshop.

--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

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"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
...

"mich" wrote in message
...

"mrcheerful" wrote in message
...



So just to get this right, you want to buy a field, that may
have no
planning permission for a dwelling and no prospect of it?

I think if it already has a building on it and piped water and leccy
to
it
( no matter what condition) essentially the right to planning
permission
exists for a dwelling! Hence he asked for land and building.


Of course it doesnt. For a start he said a building, which isnt the same
as
a dwelling. There have been many court cases on this, for example I
recall
reading about a farmer who had to demolish some 'pig sties' that bore a
remarkable resemblance to a detached bungalow.

If this is the same case I know of then the reason the woman had to
demolish her "pig sty" style bungalow was because she had not applied for
planning permission before coverting it. In fact she had not applied for ANY
planning permission at all ( including the pig sty) if I recall ( and I
should the person doesnt live a stones throw away!).

She miffed the planners by not making an application first. She further
miffed them by not complying with instructions to take it down and apply for
planning permission and then really pee'd them off by asking for
retrospective permission if I recall the situation.

Maybe not where you live, but looking at current planning permissions
being given where I am , he would have a considerably increased chance of
getting planning permission to convert an old disused building of any
description including a shed ( or even knock it down and build again), than
he would of getting planning permission for building on land with nothing on
it

It depends on your planners and you area I suspect.
So blanket dismissals of other peoples views as rubbish or b****** or even
citing cases such as the one you do is not really accurate is it? Its not
polite either.



--
email replies not necessary but to contact use;

tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

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On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:29:04 +0100, "Brian"
wrote:

Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!

Isn't this straight forward corruption? did you report him/her?

I have noticed some very odd planning decisions reported in the Whitby
Gazette.

In NL, because of the housing shortage, dwellings originally
designated as holiday only dwellings, to be used for a limited number
of months a year, have been redesignated as normal housing. I can
foresee the same happening in UK.

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"Mike" wrote in message ...

I can't see what gave you that idea.

Mike.

I'm WRONG??????????????
Me?

Don't let it get your g**t.

Mike.

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"Gwenhyffar Milgi" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:10:23 GMT, "mrcheerful"
wrote:


"Gwenhyffar Milgi" wrote in message
.. .
On 30 Apr 2004 12:05:03 -0700, (Mike Lyle)
wrote:


(I've found that goats are a bit chewy. And before that, they chew
things.)

Do they chew brambles and nettles?

Yes, they are fantastic at clearing overgrown areas. They are a lovely
pet, but you need to be around as they can get themselves in to trouble
if
tethered, or will escape if loose. Climbing ability of my goats was
astonishing, able to balance on something about two inches across. Also
loved climbing onto and wrecking car bodywork, also eat washing and
contents
of ashtrays.


Hmmm, that might just be what we need. We have an area of land,
bordered by 10 ft stone walls, that desperately needs clearing out. It
has brambles, nettles and all sorts there and it's a jungle.

Any idea what kind of goat might be the best for this? We've got foxes
and badgers, I don't know if they would be a threat to them?


I don't think wildlife would be a problem for a full size goat, pygmy types
maybe. My goats were anglo-nubians, all nannies, very pretty and good pets,
plus they give milk, which at the time I had them was easy to sell as baby
milk for babies that couldn't tolerate cows milk, although that may have
changed.

yes a goat would clear your ground very well, might climb the walls though.

mrcheerful

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Maybe not where you live, but looking at current planning permissions
being given where I am , he would have a considerably increased chance of
getting planning permission to convert an old disused building of any
description including a shed ( or even knock it down and build again),
than
he would of getting planning permission for building on land with nothing
on
it

It depends on your planners and you area I suspect.
So blanket dismissals of other peoples views as rubbish or b****** or
even
citing cases such as the one you do is not really accurate is it? Its not
polite either.

It is certainly not the case if you look at the current government planning
policy. That policy is national and not local. It comes under the heading of
sustainable development. A full explanation of the planning guidelines is
given here.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P26135F28

All local planning authorities are bound to follow this guidance. If they
don't they are subject to sanctions by central government unless there are
very good reasons to override the policy.

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"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
...

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P26135F28

All local planning authorities are bound to follow this guidance. If
they
don't they are subject to sanctions by central government unless there
are
very good reasons to override the policy.

Yeah spin me another yarn!
I know what I see happening.
I also know being a local councillor gives carte balnche to do exactly as
you please.

I found out half an hour ago that my local friendly local neighbourhood
( or should that just be hood?) farmer /councillor is laying claim to
ownership of a lane he shares access on with myself, my neighbour and three
other farmers.

I know I own the corner ( on my deeds) the rest has no registered owner
and is believed to be a manorial left over. However, this wonderful man is
now trying to lay claim to it, and since he is the councilor he has obtained
all sorts of planning permissiopns to do things without anyone even knowning
( planning orders were not even posted!)
So much for govt policy.

Its not even money that counts , its just position or office - as someone
else said about corrupt planning officers.

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Yeah spin me another yarn!
I know what I see happening.
I also know being a local councillor gives carte balnche to do exactly
as
you please.

I found out half an hour ago that my local friendly local neighbourhood
( or should that just be hood?) farmer /councillor is laying claim to
ownership of a lane he shares access on with myself, my neighbour and
three
other farmers.

I know I own the corner ( on my deeds) the rest has no registered owner
and is believed to be a manorial left over. However, this wonderful man
is
now trying to lay claim to it, and since he is the councilor he has
obtained
all sorts of planning permissiopns to do things without anyone even
knowning
( planning orders were not even posted!)
So much for govt policy.

Its not even money that counts , its just position or office - as
someone
else said about corrupt planning officers.



Do you attend your local Council Meetings? The times and venues are posted
in a prominent place within the Parish, Village or Town.

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Many thanks Martin. This was followed up and their decision was as follows.
"The planning officer was acting as a member of the public when he made
the offer to purchase. He was also noted to have abstained when there was a
vote to rescind the permission"
Actually the number of votes said to have been involved were four more
than members stated to have been present!! The reason given for rescinding
was stated to be that my architect had not responded to the conditions
within three weeks. Despite that no time limit had been suggested!!.
To compensate the officer concerned, they gave him permission to develop
a most unlikely site.
Best Wishes
"martin" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:29:04 +0100, "Brian"
wrote:

Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning
officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without
compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!

Isn't this straight forward corruption? did you report him/her?

I have noticed some very odd planning decisions reported in the Whitby
Gazette.

In NL, because of the housing shortage, dwellings originally
designated as holiday only dwellings, to be used for a limited number
of months a year, have been redesignated as normal housing. I can
foresee the same happening in UK.

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On Sat, 1 May 2004 20:26:30 +0100, mich wrote:

I found out half an hour ago that my local friendly local
neighbourhood ( or should that just be hood?) farmer /councillor is
laying claim to ownership of a lane he shares access on with myself,
my neighbour and three other farmers.

Nothing wrong with that, if you can find a bit of land that doesn't
"belong" to anyone and you use it unchallenged for 10 (11?) years then
you can claim it and get the Land Registery to register it to you. We
did that with a back lane many moons ago.

I know I own the corner ( on my deeds) ...

That bit he can't get.

... the rest has no registered owner and is believed to be a
manorial left over.

This bit he can, you should have got in first...

However, this wonderful man is now trying to lay claim to it,

If he hasn't actually got it registered yet get on to the Land
Registery PDQ at the least you'll get joint title or maybe title of
differnt bits with covenments over access/use etc.

... since he is the councilor he has obtained all sorts of planning
permissiopns to do things without anyone even knowning ( planning
orders were not even posted!)

The local paper will be very interested I'm sure...

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

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The message
from (dave manchester) contains these words:

we would want to live on the land and I personally feel that it could
be achievable on our tiny budget its just a matter of stumbling upon
the right place or bumping into the right person. I know its a long
shot but to be honest I don't have many other options at the moment.
maybe we are dreaming, maybe this cant be done, I never expected it to
be easy and would be quite disappointed if it was (I like to try the
impossible).
I will now begin my daily routine of searching the net and looking at
the classifieds.
thanks for taking the time posting your comments please keep the
advice coming

Well, to save you some time..you won't find an acre with a developable
building and services laid on for £20,000 in Scotland. That kind of
property is immensely attractive to second-homers, commercial
developers, and the post-war babybomers who are just reaching retirement
with valuable housing equity to trade. Competition and their deep-pocket
spending power pushes the price sky-high, and all land-sellers know it.

Wherever you focus your search, get a postal sub to the local weekly
paper and mine it for information about local employment availability,
local payrates, the level (and nature) of local crime and social
activities, and what community concerns are aired in the letters page.
You'll also see property advertised privately, and form a realistic
picture of the local market.

In case you don't already know, the cost of essential-spends such as
petrol/public transport, bought food, and council tax are higher in
rural areas than in cities.

Your specification "pre-piped for water and electricity" is rather a
naive one if you don't mind me saying so. Land with no electricity could
be only yards from a powerline, relatively cheap fast and easy to
connect. A good private spring can be far less complicated than being
connected to the far distant end of a rural mains supply. From
experience, more important services to consider are the proximity and
frequency of bus routes, and (for parents)the local council's
age-and-distance policy for rural school transport.

Janet.

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.com...
On Sat, 1 May 2004 20:26:30 +0100, mich wrote:

I found out half an hour ago that my local friendly local
neighbourhood ( or should that just be hood?) farmer /councillor is
laying claim to ownership of a lane he shares access on with myself,
my neighbour and three other farmers.

Nothing wrong with that, if you can find a bit of land that doesn't
"belong" to anyone and you use it unchallenged for 10 (11?) years then
you can claim it and get the Land Registery to register it to you. We
did that with a back lane many moons ago.

I know I own the corner ( on my deeds) ...

That bit he can't get.

I know all about possessory titles. I have a piece of land that was one
twenty odd years ago - which included the corner, hence I can say I own it
and it registered title as absolute now.

I also know that I have "owned" and used this lane since 1987. My
predecessor can trace "ownership" back to 1952 and in fact maps show access
rights beyond that to saxon times.

I have no concerns about my ownership of my bit - just ****ed off that
this bloke has come along telling my neighbour " and by the way I own the
lane" one morning and then telling him what his plans are and what he has
arranged. No word to me though , although it included my part of the lane.

He cant own the lane. he hasnt got it registered in his name , either as a
possessory or as an absolute title. he cannot claim possessory since he has
only owned the fields off the lane for a couple of years.
And he certainly doesnt own my land and my part of the lane.

The rest of the lane, where my neighbour lives and where the other farmers
also have fields has according to the land registry no registered owner. The
rule for such unregistered land is that its title becomes the property of
those who singly and severally use and maintain it, at least thats what the
land registry and my ex neighbour - a soilicitor - always said. My
neighbours have done so for longer than I can remember.

The councillor /farmer only bought his fields in the lane a couple of
years ago. No one believes he owns the lane - but it doesnt stop him trying
it on does it? he's pulling a fast one and using his councillor status to
help him do it by getting planning permissions for doing things to the lane
he shouldnt be doing.

Not only that he took the public footpath notice down last year. A public
footpath runs over the lane too. . I asked Truro to replace the sign last
year , but they havent done so yet.
I wouldnt be surprised if the b*ggers next move is to try and seal off the
access ( except he doesnt own the b**** access I DO ( as I said, on my
deeds!).

What I dont need or want is a row of any kind.

Since time immemorial we have all had access up this lane. Since 1952 my
house and land have been registered as having ownership and access. Now he
comes along claiming to own the bloody lane but it wasnt registered when he
bought the fields two years ago? he does not own the lane. But I can see
him causeing trouble claiming he does.

I notice he has made this claim only to the newest neighbour in the area
( my neighbour only bought last year - and they were told there was no
registered owner and the lane was their maintenance and possessory too!) .
He hasnt told me. I have found out second hand. if he had told me , he would
have found out about my change of deed from 1987 - and that I own the
access!

But ****y councillor will take all and get away with it.

Sorry about the rant - but in case the b*stard is reading this and he
could be......

I dont need his claims . I just want to live and let live , just as my
predecessors and family have done for generations.

So if this sounds like you Mr Councillor/farmer and you are reading this.
STOP IT NOW!!!! I dont need the hassle and I will report your corruptness to
the local paper, I wont bother with the coursts ( cost too much and I know
cant afford it either - how about those 100+ acres you just had to sell to
stay solvent? You put that in the local rag didnt you, when you wanted the
sympathy vote?

Your antics now will look nice wont it Mr. Flash councilor /farmer
Man.

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Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!

Care to name the authority and the dates so you assertions can be checked?

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On Sat, 01 May 2004 19:58:43 +0200, martin wrote:

On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:29:04 +0100, "Brian"
wrote:

Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!

Isn't this straight forward corruption? did you report him/her?

I have noticed some very odd planning decisions reported in the Whitby
Gazette.

In NL, because of the housing shortage, dwellings originally
designated as holiday only dwellings, to be used for a limited number
of months a year, have been redesignated as normal housing. I can
foresee the same happening in UK.

Can't wait!
I'm trying to sell a holiday flat with 11.5 month occupancy. Structurally it's fine
for year round occupancy. The reason the council won't agree to it is the former
freeholder, back in the 80's, filled the site up with DSS tenants. The problem these
days is it's hard to get a mortgage on 11.5 month occupancy and the value has risen
to the extent where a mortgage is prolly going to be necessary.

I'm not going to plug it on here (can't run fast enough, and besides I need this
group - LOL)
but if there are teachers and firefighters etc out there ....this email addy *does*
work:-)

Liz

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Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

From
experience, more important services to consider are the proximity and
frequency of bus routes, and (for parents)the local council's
age-and-distance policy for rural school transport.


Local phone system. If you are at the end of 3 miles of copper with no
other houses about, it'll probably get hit by lightning from time to time,
and sometimes just won't work. OK if you have no urgent need to
communicate with the outside world, but a right bummer if you don't want to
live permanently in the 18th century.

Oh, and don't assume you can use a mobile phone either. Plenty of places
still with no signal.

Victoria
--
gardening on a north-facing hill
in South-East Cornwall
--

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The message
from Gwenhyffar Milgi contains these words:

Yes, they are fantastic at clearing overgrown areas. They are a lovely
pet, but you need to be around as they can get themselves in to trouble if
tethered, or will escape if loose. Climbing ability of my goats was
astonishing, able to balance on something about two inches across. Also
loved climbing onto and wrecking car bodywork, also eat washing and
contents
of ashtrays.


Hmmm, that might just be what we need. We have an area of land,
bordered by 10 ft stone walls, that desperately needs clearing out. It
has brambles, nettles and all sorts there and it's a jungle.

Any idea what kind of goat might be the best for this? We've got foxes
and badgers, I don't know if they would be a threat to them?

Pigs are best. They'll remove *ALL* vegetable matter, including roots,
and they will till the ground and fertilise it.

If the foxes and badgers aren't careful, they'll have them too.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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The message
from Gwenhyffar Milgi contains these words:
On 30 Apr 2004 12:05:03 -0700, (Mike Lyle)
wrote:


(I've found that goats are a bit chewy. And before that, they chew
things.)

Do they chew brambles and nettles?

Brambles, yes, and some goats will enjoy nettles - carefully! I had
fourteen goats at one time and out of those I'd say that four or five
liked nettles.

--
Rusty
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The message
from "Mike" contains these words:


I can't see what gave you that idea.

Mike.

I'm WRONG??????????????
Me?

I think it's all a cunning plan to put everyone off so he can corner the
market in goats.

--
Rusty
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"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.217...
Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

Local phone system. If you are at the end of 3 miles of copper with no
other houses about, it'll probably get hit by lightning from time to
time,
and sometimes just won't work. OK if you have no urgent need to
communicate with the outside world, but a right bummer if you don't want
to
live permanently in the 18th century.

Oh, and don't assume you can use a mobile phone either. Plenty of
places
still with no signal.

But isnt that really one of the joys of living here?

many people claim they are moving into the country to get away from the
rat race and then want to bring the rat race with them by immediately
moaning about services and communications ( and even broadband) .

I often switch my land line off to stop people calling. Like you, my
mobile doesnt work - I have to make a 20 min climb to the top of the hill
to get a signal - but who cares? Its great! And its healthy for you a good
walk.

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I think it's all a cunning plan to put everyone off so he can corner the
market in goats.

--

Oh sorry I didn't realise that. Maybe we should start a Rio Tino Zinc 'leak'
and send the price of Goats up so he is unable to buy them?

How about a 'Medical Benefit to Cancer' story?

Mike

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"dave manchester" wrote in message
m...
Sacha wrote in message
.uk...
dave manchester30/4/04 3:13

i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

thank you
Dave



Just to clarify, Dave - do you hope to convert and live in any such
building? Or are you intending to use the land as a smallholding, the
building as an equipment store and live elsewhere?


Thank you all for your replies, they are very much appreciated and are
a great help. especially the one about the goat.
I have made another post yesterday which explains my position a little
clearer, if that would help.
in an ideal world yes it would be nice to get a field with an old
house to restore that wouldn't need the planning consent and the
ground to be perfect and we all live happily ever after. but I know
that is not possible.
we have seen some potential sites but as usual if you have 30k to
spend they want 50 and if you have 50 you need 70.
prices do seem to fluctuate dramatically depending on the use of the
land and the location in the UK. I know inner-city building plots are
worth more than working land, probably due to the fact that who ever
should buy it will make more money.
At this moment in time we are unsure as to what is really out there
and what can realistically be achieved that is why all help is
appreciated more than you all realise.
we would want to live on the land and I personally feel that it could
be achievable on our tiny budget its just a matter of stumbling upon
the right place or bumping into the right person. I know its a long
shot but to be honest I don't have many other options at the moment.
maybe we are dreaming, maybe this cant be done, I never expected it to
be easy and would be quite disappointed if it was (I like to try the
impossible).
I will now begin my daily routine of searching the net and looking at
the classifieds.
thanks for taking the time posting your comments please keep the
advice coming

Dave

Go abroad, I bet what you want can be purchased in Eastern Europe where many
people are keen to escape the back breaking toil of peasantry and woud be
very happy to sell to someone who wants to embrace such a lifestyle.

--
Tumbleweed

Remove my socks for email address

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The message
from "Tumbleweed" contains these words:

Go abroad, I bet what you want can be purchased in Eastern Europe where many
people are keen to escape the back breaking toil of peasantry and woud be
very happy to sell to someone who wants to embrace such a lifestyle.

I can introduce you to an honest and reliable estate agent in Croatia....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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