Foxes
 

Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

any suggestions gratefully recieved.

regards

Philip

Foxes
 

On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC), papa
wrote:

Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

any suggestions gratefully recieved.

I find an ounce and a half of lead shot travelling at 1200 ft/sec very
effective. Others prefer 5 grains of lead at 1500 ft/sec but I
wouldn't use a rifle in a garden ;-). Ask around in the pub, someone
must have a SGC and would come and shoot them for you.

Foxes
 

"papa" wrote in message
...
Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

We have foxes in our garden - they have a den just under a boundary wall. I
have never found them to be aggressive in any way (we don't have small
children however, but we do have cats that they have never confronted or
harmed). They have cubs every year that are a real pleasure to watch as
they play - they also bring us gifts in the form of an assortment of balls -
from footballs to tennis balls - that they bring into the garden to play
with. Yes - they can leave a mess on the lawn but I wouldn't be without my
foxes.

Ann

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Try that in south london (SGC or not) and you will find yourself
spread-eagled on the floor surrounded by the flying squad in a matter of
moments. All of whom will be pointing even bigger guns at you. I
would prefer a solution perhaps a little less dramatic and little more
quiet!

but thanks anyway..

regards

Philip



Derek Turner wrote:

On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC), papa
wrote:


Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

any suggestions gratefully recieved.


I find an ounce and a half of lead shot travelling at 1200 ft/sec very
effective. Others prefer 5 grains of lead at 1500 ft/sec but I
wouldn't use a rifle in a garden ;-). Ask around in the pub, someone
must have a SGC and would come and shoot them for you.

Foxes
 

"papa" wrote in message
...
Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

any suggestions gratefully recieved.

regards

Philip


Ask 50 people to dress up in red coatsand ride horses around your garden,
whilst blowing trumpets, and bringing their pack of 100 vicious baying
hounds.

--
Tumbleweed

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Nice answer Ann. If the OP stays away from the cubs they will enjoy the
company of the fox.

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papa wrote:
: Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a
: family of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are
: creating a mess and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the
: children out there as I don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that
: is!!) can be.
:
: I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
: foxes.
:
: any suggestions gratefully recieved.
:
: regards
:
: Philip


Foxes won't hurt, they are lovely. I used to feed them here and they would
take it out of my hand. Another curious fact is that cats chase after them,
a most amusing site

Robert
Argyle are top of the league and we are having a laugh
www.pafc.co.uk

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Derek Turner wrote:
: On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC), papa
: wrote:
:
:: Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a
:: family of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are
:: creating a mess and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the
:: children out there as I don't know how dangerous they (the foxes
:: that is!!) can be.
::
:: I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal
:: with foxes.
::
:: any suggestions gratefully recieved.
:
: I find an ounce and a half of lead shot travelling at 1200 ft/sec very
: effective. Others prefer 5 grains of lead at 1500 ft/sec but I
: wouldn't use a rifle in a garden ;-). Ask around in the pub, someone
: must have a SGC and would come and shoot them for you.


You are the sort we will ban very soon I hope

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Xref: kermit uk.rec.gardening:201789

The message
from papa contains these words:

Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

They aren't dangerous; even suave urban foxes don't approach people.
Letting the children out to play is a good way to make sure the foxes
vacate the premises (at least during the day).

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

You could ask the local RSPCA for their advice.

Janet.

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"Robert" wrote in message ...
Derek Turner wrote:
:
:: Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a
:: family of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are
:: creating a mess and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the
:: children out there as I don't know how dangerous they (the foxes
:: that is!!) can be.
::
:: I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal
:: with foxes.
::
:: any suggestions gratefully recieved.
:
: I find an ounce and a half of lead shot travelling at 1200 ft/sec very
: effective. Others prefer 5 grains of lead at 1500 ft/sec but I
: wouldn't use a rifle in a garden ;-). Ask around in the pub, someone
: must have a SGC and would come and shoot them for you.


You are the sort we will ban very soon I hope


Oh, why, on what grounds would you propose to ban someone shooting vermin?
--
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Janet Baraclough..4/5/04 6:18
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The message
from papa contains these words:

Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

They aren't dangerous; even suave urban foxes don't approach people.
Letting the children out to play is a good way to make sure the foxes
vacate the premises (at least during the day).

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

You could ask the local RSPCA for their advice.


I'm a little concerned about this. There have been reports - few admittedly
- of foxes going into houses and attacking small children, while looking for
food. I'm not inclined to say that they're dangerous but nor would I be
complacent about letting small children into the same area. As to the fox
dung, I have no idea of what dangers it might or might not hold but they're
meat eaters, as are dogs. And, to follow up another reply in this thread,
foxes will take cats if they're hungry enough.

--

Sacha
(remove the weeds to email me)

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Robert4/5/04 7:08

Derek Turner wrote:
: On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC), papa
: wrote:
:
:: Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a
:: family of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are
:: creating a mess and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the
:: children out there as I don't know how dangerous they (the foxes
:: that is!!) can be.
::
:: I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal
:: with foxes.
::
:: any suggestions gratefully recieved.
:
: I find an ounce and a half of lead shot travelling at 1200 ft/sec very
: effective. Others prefer 5 grains of lead at 1500 ft/sec but I
: wouldn't use a rifle in a garden ;-). Ask around in the pub, someone
: must have a SGC and would come and shoot them for you.


You are the sort we will ban very soon I hope


Actually you won't, Robert. If you're anti hunting with dogs, that is the
'sort' you will actively encourage.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds to email me)

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Philip wrote in message ...
Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.


Whilst Foxes aren't dangerous in themselves they will catch various animals
and bring them back into your garden, so, like our allotments, you will have
the pleasure of half eaten rats, entrails, assorted bits of meat, etc
adorning your garden. They will also defecate around and they never bury it
like most cats do so that will be another hazard for your kids. Then, being
London foxes they will probably have the Mange which is not nice to see and
even worse for them to experience, it's a slow lingering starvation type
death. (and some people go mad at cats in their gardens!)

Contact the RSPCA and see if they know of an organisation that can help, I
doubt they will themselves, short of funds I'm told - big new office complex
to pay for.

Don't try to catch and relocate them yourself, they are town foxes and can't
cope in the countryside and cause more problems there.

--
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Bob

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Bob Hobden4/5/04 11:35

snip

Don't try to catch and relocate them yourself, they are town foxes and can't
cope in the countryside and cause more problems there.

Isn't it illegal to do that? But yes, relocated foxes bring mange to
country foxes.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds to email me)

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In article , Bob Hobden
writes

Philip wrote in message ...
Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.


Whilst Foxes aren't dangerous in themselves they will catch various animals
and bring them back into your garden, so, like our allotments, you will have
the pleasure of half eaten rats, entrails, assorted bits of meat, etc
adorning your garden. They will also defecate around and they never bury it
like most cats do so
Oh look another cat thread:-) "like most cats do" Bob you are either
uninformed or misinformed

that will be another hazard for your kids. Then, being
London foxes they will probably have the Mange which is not nice to see and
even worse for them to experience, it's a slow lingering starvation type
death. (and some people go mad at cats in their gardens!)

Contact the RSPCA and see if they know of an organisation that can help, I
doubt they will themselves, short of funds I'm told - big new office complex
to pay for.

Don't try to catch and relocate them yourself, they are town foxes and can't
cope in the countryside and cause more problems there.


--
David

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from "Bob Hobden" contains these words:

/snip/

Don't try to catch and relocate them yourself, they are town foxes and can't
cope in the countryside and cause more problems there.

Besides, releasing vermin (once trapped) is a criminal offence.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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Sprinkle a few moth ball about. I have heard they really dislike the
chemical smell.

Farmer John

"papa" wrote in message
...
Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

any suggestions gratefully recieved.

regards

Philip

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On Tue, 04 May 2004 23:19:07 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

Robert4/5/04 7:08
$8hf$1@titan .btinternet.com

Derek Turner wrote:
: On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC), papa
: wrote:
:
:: Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a
:: family of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are
:: creating a mess and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the
:: children out there as I don't know how dangerous they (the foxes
:: that is!!) can be.
::
:: I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal
:: with foxes.
::
:: any suggestions gratefully recieved.
:
: I find an ounce and a half of lead shot travelling at 1200 ft/sec very
: effective. Others prefer 5 grains of lead at 1500 ft/sec but I
: wouldn't use a rifle in a garden ;-). Ask around in the pub, someone
: must have a SGC and would come and shoot them for you.


You are the sort we will ban very soon I hope


Actually you won't, Robert. If you're anti hunting with dogs, that is the
'sort' you will actively encourage.

Actually it will cut yet another deviant pleasure from their lives
though. The kind of wacko pervert who advocates shooting an animal
just because it is there is very likely having much of his hobbies
restricted lately, including having sex with children. Best bet would
be to cull the deviants before worrying about wildlife.

If you don't want wildlife in your garden, concrete the lot over and
live in a bunker or move to a high rise.

There are plenty of animal charities out there that would be happy to
advise, probably not wise to listen to the arseholes here who think
the solution to everything is kill it.







To avoid grizzlies, the Alaska Department of Fish & Game advises hikers
to wear noisy little bells on clothes and carry pepper spray. Also watch
for signs of activity: Black bear scat is smaller and contains berries;
grizzly scat has little bells in it and smells like pepper.

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On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC), papa
wrote:

Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

any suggestions gratefully recieved.

regards

Philip

If you cant live with nature you are really missing out!.

Great place for information is

For more information visit John Bryant's website at www.jbryant.co.uk
Or contact Jonhn Bryant, Humane Urban Wildlife Deterrence, 23 Tormount
Road, London SE18 1QD, tel 020 8316 7852.




To avoid grizzlies, the Alaska Department of Fish & Game advises hikers
to wear noisy little bells on clothes and carry pepper spray. Also watch
for signs of activity: Black bear scat is smaller and contains berries;
grizzly scat has little bells in it and smells like pepper.

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On Tue, 04 May 2004 17:54:56 +0100, Derek Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC), papa
wrote:

Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

any suggestions gratefully recieved.

I find an ounce and a half of lead shot travelling at 1200 ft/sec very
effective. Others prefer 5 grains of lead at 1500 ft/sec but I
wouldn't use a rifle in a garden ;-). Ask around in the pub, someone
must have a SGC and would come and shoot them for you.

Arsehole. Are you even old enough to be allowed in a pub?

Even someone with a shotgun certificate would NOT be able to shoot his
foxes in a small garden in London. Just as well you clearly are
brainless or you could well be dangerous.






To avoid grizzlies, the Alaska Department of Fish & Game advises hikers
to wear noisy little bells on clothes and carry pepper spray. Also watch
for signs of activity: Black bear scat is smaller and contains berries;
grizzly scat has little bells in it and smells like pepper.

Foxes
 

"papa" wrote in message
...
Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

The foxes won't come out while your kids are about.
They aren't dangerous and don't even carry rabies in the UK, yet.

However, I wouldn't want them making a mess in my garden.
If you can locate their den I would drive them away, probably
repeatedly.
--
Nick Wagg

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Pete surprised me when he wrote

Great place for information is

For more information visit John Bryant's website at www.jbryant.co.uk
Or contact Jonhn Bryant, Humane Urban Wildlife Deterrence, 23 Tormount
Road, London SE18 1QD, tel 020 8316 7852.


That's exactly the sort of thing I meant and there are semi-charitable
organisations that do similar work (from memory!) so do contact the RSPCA as
well.

--
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Bob

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"Sacha" wrote in message
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Janet Baraclough..4/5/04 6:18

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The message
from papa contains these
words:

Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a
family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a
mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out
there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

They aren't dangerous; even suave urban foxes don't approach
people.
Letting the children out to play is a good way to make sure the
foxes
vacate the premises (at least during the day).

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal
with
foxes.

You could ask the local RSPCA for their advice.


I'm a little concerned about this. There have been reports - few
admittedly
- of foxes going into houses and attacking small children, while
looking for
food. I'm not inclined to say that they're dangerous but nor would
I be
complacent about letting small children into the same area. As to
the fox
dung, I have no idea of what dangers it might or might not hold but
they're
meat eaters, as are dogs. And, to follow up another reply in this
thread,
foxes will take cats if they're hungry enough.

What a wonderful thought. Can anyone spare a couple of very hungry
foxes?

Franz

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On Tue, 4 May 2004 17:31:28 +0000 (UTC), papa
wrote:

Try that in south london (SGC or not) and you will find yourself
spread-eagled on the floor surrounded by the flying squad in a matter of
moments. All of whom will be pointing even bigger guns at you. I
would prefer a solution perhaps a little less dramatic and little more
quiet!

Well, yes, if the police were not forewarned that you were doing a
spot of pest control that could even happen in the countryside (at
night, no-one round here turns a hair at gunshot by day: it's 'normal'
as the french would say....) What we find is that a quick call to the
local station by a SGC holder to say 'we're doing a bit of pest
control at xxxx on xxday night' is all that's required to avoid the
SWAT teams!

Two less noisy and less drastic methods that work with rural foxes
(not sure about urban, they may be too used to them) are

1. keep a dog/bitch. they mark their territory and 'charlie' stays
well clear. the only time I have lost chickens to the fox is when
we've been away and the dogs in kennels/with us. quite appart from
which you have the wonderful companionship and unconditional love and
loyalty thrown in!

2. mark your territory yourself! easy if you're male and not
overlooked. recycle a Paul Masson californian wine carafe if not! NB
someone will be round protesting at the waste of perfectly good
compost accelerator before long!

hth
Derek

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On Tue, 04 May 2004 23:35:16 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

Bob Hobden4/5/04 11:35


snip

Don't try to catch and relocate them yourself, they are town foxes and can't
cope in the countryside and cause more problems there.

Isn't it illegal to do that?

yes it is illegal to release vermin: no-one seems to preosecute the
RSPCA for it, though.

But yes, relocated foxes bring mange to
country foxes.

in that case, bring 'em on!

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On Tue, 4 May 2004 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC), "Robert"
wrote:




Foxes won't hurt, they are lovely.

try telling that to my chickens, ****wit

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In article , Derek Turner
writes
On Tue, 4 May 2004 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC), "Robert"
wrote:




Foxes won't hurt, they are lovely.

try telling that to my chickens, ****wit

Its you that's serving them up a ready meal, don't be an obnoxious twit

--
David

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"papa" wrote in message
...
Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

any suggestions gratefully recieved.

Renadin is suppossed to deter foxes, but it needs replacing fairly
frequently.

They should not be harmful to children, the foxes that is.

Alan
--
Reply to alan(at)windsor-berks(dot)freeserve(dot)co(dot)uk

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"Robert" wrote in message
...
Derek Turner wrote:
: On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC), papa
: wrote:
:
:: Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a
:: family of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are
:: creating a mess and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the
:: children out there as I don't know how dangerous they (the foxes
:: that is!!) can be.
::
:: I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal
:: with foxes.
::
:: any suggestions gratefully recieved.
:
: I find an ounce and a half of lead shot travelling at 1200 ft/sec very
: effective. Others prefer 5 grains of lead at 1500 ft/sec but I
: wouldn't use a rifle in a garden ;-). Ask around in the pub, someone
: must have a SGC and would come and shoot them for you.


You are the sort we will ban very soon I hope

Why?

Alan

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On Thu, 06 May 2004 09:04:26 +0100, Derek Turner wrote:

2. mark your territory yourself! easy if you're male and not
overlooked. recycle a Paul Masson californian wine carafe if not!

I want to protest at the waste of perfectly good compost
accelerator by using it for scent marking.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
[change "atlantic" to "pacific" and
"invalid" to "net" to reply by email]

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"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 4 May 2004 17:31:28 +0000 (UTC), papa

[snip]

2. mark your territory yourself! easy if you're male and not
overlooked. recycle a Paul Masson californian wine carafe if not! NB
someone will be round protesting at the waste of perfectly good
compost accelerator before long!

Hey, Derek,
I prefer to drink my wine.
Does DIY territory marking work against cats as well?

Franz

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On Sat, 8 May 2004 21:39:12 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


Hey, Derek,
I prefer to drink my wine.
Does DIY territory marking work against cats as well?

No, I'm not sure that it will work with urban foxes either. After all,
every shop doorway, lift, stairwell and telephone box smells of human
pi^H^H compost accelerator anyway, so they're probably used to it (am
I showing my countrymans' prejudice?)

;-)

Derek.

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In article , Ann
wrote:

"papa" wrote in message
...
Might anyone have experience of getting rid of foxes? I have a family
of foxes in my (very) small London garden and they are creating a mess
and with summer coming I am reluctant to let the children out there as I
don't know how dangerous they (the foxes that is!!) can be.

I called a couple of companies like rentokill but they don't deal with
foxes.

We have foxes in our garden - they have a den just under a boundary wall. I
have never found them to be aggressive in any way (we don't have small
children however, but we do have cats that they have never confronted or
harmed). They have cubs every year that are a real pleasure to watch as
they play - they also bring us gifts in the form of an assortment of balls -
from footballs to tennis balls - that they bring into the garden to play
with. Yes - they can leave a mess on the lawn but I wouldn't be without my
foxes.

I have a regular visitor around 2-3am most nights. If I'm in my study,
I know when he arrives because he activates the security lights.
Sometimes he comes onto the patio directly outside my French windows
and sniffs around for 5 minutes - very, very close and in bright 500W
lighting. It's wonderful to just be able to sit there and watch him, no
more than 4 ft away. He doesn't seem to mind the light at all - but he
runs off if he sees me moving. Maybe I'll leave some food out for him -
and save someone's chickens. I guess they prefer raw meat? Petfood?

I'm not sure what mess he makes in the garden. We have so many visitors
including badgers, moles and rabbits (the latter perhaps attracting the
fox) but I haven't seen any signs of carnage or lawn damage. What kind
of mess do foxes make?

I do know that our dog usually senses the arrival of the fox and barks
long and loud - but the fox doesn't seem bothered by it.

Stan

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The message
from Derek Turner contains these words:

2. mark your territory yourself! easy if you're male and not
overlooked. recycle a Paul Masson californian wine carafe if not! NB
someone will be round protesting at the waste of perfectly good
compost accelerator before long!

You'd do just as well probably if you used the Paul Masson that's in the
carafe: there's not a lot of difference....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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On Sat, 15 May 2004 03:04:50 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from Derek Turner contains these words:

2. mark your territory yourself! easy if you're male and not
overlooked. recycle a Paul Masson californian wine carafe if not! NB
someone will be round protesting at the waste of perfectly good
compost accelerator before long!

You'd do just as well probably if you used the Paul Masson that's in the
carafe: there's not a lot of difference....

.... except in the price.