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Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive -
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Subject: mares tail
From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants (I'm sure someone here will be able to give the scientific explanation for this). The only way to reduce mares tail is to keep digging it up, you'll never get rid of it, but if you keep at it, an hour or so a day, you reduce it's visibility. -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ "The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." Aubrey on remaining at liberty www.somethingpositive.net |
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In article , Rhiannon S writes Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants (I'm sure someone here will be able to give the scientific explanation for this). It (though note I prefer the name horsetail, reserving the name mares tail for the harmless plant Hippuris vulgaris) has a coating of silica on its leaves and stems. This needs to be crushed in order for the roundup to penetrate. If you have considerable areas of it, then trampling or swiping will break and bruise it sufficiently. If it is just single stems, perhaps growing among other plants, then don rubber gloves and rub the stem between your hands and then spray it. The only way to reduce mares tail is to keep digging it up, you'll never get rid of it, but if you keep at it, an hour or so a day, you reduce it's visibility. I believe roots have been found several (?12) feet down :-( -- Malcolm |
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"martin" wrote in message ... On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants Somebody, Franz?, said that if you trample on the part above the surface first then the mares tails will absorb Roundup (I'm sure someone here will be able to give the scientific explanation for this). It's got a waxy surface that repels liquids. The only way to reduce mares tail is to keep digging it up, you'll never get rid of it, but if you keep at it, an hour or so a day, you reduce it's visibility. forever? :-(( As suggested, the external tissue is practically proof against absorption. There are silicates involved and these will not dissolve. To bruise the stems, is the best idea, prior to Roundup as some will then be taken in. Very little absorption is needed for a kill. Give three weeks between applications. There is a Roundup advisory service that would be able to help. They might suggest some additive that will slow down or stop the 'run off' Good Luck Brian. |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 17:58:57 +0100, Malcolm
wrote: In article , Rhiannon S writes Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants (I'm sure someone here will be able to give the scientific explanation for this). It (though note I prefer the name horsetail, reserving the name mares tail for the harmless plant Hippuris vulgaris) Then you'll be alone in that. Nothing new there!!!!! has a coating of silica on its leaves and stems. This needs to be crushed in order for the roundup to penetrate. If you have considerable areas of it, then trampling or swiping will break and bruise it sufficiently. If it is just single stems, perhaps growing among other plants, then don rubber gloves and rub the stem between your hands and then spray it. What a complete load of cobblers. The only way to reduce mares tail is to keep digging it up, you'll never get rid of it, but if you keep at it, an hour or so a day, you reduce it's visibility. I believe roots have been found several (?12) feet down :-( It's been said before. The ONLY way is to dig, dig and ****ing dig again. Cheerio. .. ************************************************** *********************************** Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. - Sir Winston Churchill The Eagle Has Landed. /T /I / |/ | .-~/ T\ Y I |/ / _ /T | \I | I Y.-~/ I l /I T\ | | l | T / T\ | \ Y l /T | \I l \ ` l Y __ | \l \l \I l __l l \ ` _. | \ ~-l `\ `\ \ \\ ~\ \ `. .-~ | \ ~-. "-. ` \ ^._ ^. "-. / \ | .--~-._ ~- ` _ ~-_.-"-." ._ /._ ." ./ --. ~-. ._ ~-" "\\ 7 7 ] ^.___~"--._ ~-{ .-~ . `\ Y . / | __ ~"-. ~ /_/ \ \I Y : | ^-.__ ~(_/ \ ._: | l______ ^--.,___.-~" /_/ ! `-.~"--l_ / ~"-. (_/ . ~( /' "~"--,Y -=b-. _) (_/ . \ : / l c"~o \ \ / `. . .^ \_.-~"~--. ) (_/ . ` / / ! )/ / / _. '. .': / ' ~(_/ . / _ ` .-_ /_/ . ' .-~" `. / \ \ ,z=. ~( / ' : | K "-.~-.______// "-,. l I/ \_ __{---._(==. //( \ ~"~" // /' /\ \ \ ,v=. (( .^. / /\ " }__ //===- ` Roy!/ASC / / ' ' "-.,__ {---(==- .^ ' : T ~" ll / . . . : | :! \\ (_/ / | | j-" ~^ So, you dont like reasoned, well thought out, civil debate? I understand. /´¯/) /¯../ /..../ /´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ /'/.../..../......./¨¯\ ('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') \.................'...../ ''...\.......... _.·´ \..............( \.............\.. GOOD SIGS wanted. APPLY WITHIN. Please Note: I am not the forger-troll Derek Moody who posts with and who continues to stalk me, ensuring he is at the top of my hit list and who also published child porn websites and kinky sex outlets in the UK, not to mention deviant holidays. You've not heard of the Geneva Convention, then? Our enemies sure haven't. |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:23:12 +0100, "Brian"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants Somebody, Franz?, said that if you trample on the part above the surface first then the mares tails will absorb Roundup (I'm sure someone here will be able to give the scientific explanation for this). It's got a waxy surface that repels liquids. The only way to reduce mares tail is to keep digging it up, you'll never get rid of it, but if you keep at it, an hour or so a day, you reduce it's visibility. forever? :-(( As suggested, the external tissue is practically proof against absorption. There are silicates involved and these will not dissolve. To bruise the stems, is the best idea, prior to Roundup as some will then be taken in. Very little absorption is needed for a kill. Give three weeks between applications. There is a Roundup advisory service that would be able to help. They might suggest some additive that will slow down or stop the 'run off' Good Luck Brian. Roundup is highly toxic, dangerous and completely unnecessary, not to mention the fact it simply doesn't work. There is no substitute for hard work and just digging the weeds out. The fact that there are plenty of stupid fat people willing to pay through the nose for something that doesn't work, wont make it right. No gardener worth their salt would be seen dead using such rubbish. Cheerio. .. ************************************************** *********************************** Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. - Sir Winston Churchill The Eagle Has Landed. /T /I / |/ | .-~/ T\ Y I |/ / _ /T | \I | I Y.-~/ I l /I T\ | | l | T / T\ | \ Y l /T | \I l \ ` l Y __ | \l \l \I l __l l \ ` _. | \ ~-l `\ `\ \ \\ ~\ \ `. .-~ | \ ~-. "-. ` \ ^._ ^. "-. / \ | .--~-._ ~- ` _ ~-_.-"-." ._ /._ ." ./ --. ~-. ._ ~-" "\\ 7 7 ] ^.___~"--._ ~-{ .-~ . `\ Y . / | __ ~"-. ~ /_/ \ \I Y : | ^-.__ ~(_/ \ ._: | l______ ^--.,___.-~" /_/ ! `-.~"--l_ / ~"-. (_/ . ~( /' "~"--,Y -=b-. _) (_/ . \ : / l c"~o \ \ / `. . .^ \_.-~"~--. ) (_/ . ` / / ! )/ / / _. '. .': / ' ~(_/ . / _ ` .-_ /_/ . ' .-~" `. / \ \ ,z=. ~( / ' : | K "-.~-.______// "-,. l I/ \_ __{---._(==. //( \ ~"~" // /' /\ \ \ ,v=. (( .^. / /\ " }__ //===- ` Roy!/ASC / / ' ' "-.,__ {---(==- .^ ' : T ~" ll / . . . : | :! \\ (_/ / | | j-" ~^ So, you dont like reasoned, well thought out, civil debate? I understand. /´¯/) /¯../ /..../ /´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ /'/.../..../......./¨¯\ ('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') \.................'...../ ''...\.......... _.·´ \..............( \.............\.. GOOD SIGS wanted. APPLY WITHIN. Please Note: I am not the forger-troll Derek Moody who posts with and who continues to stalk me, ensuring he is at the top of my hit list and who also published child porn websites and kinky sex outlets in the UK, not to mention deviant holidays. You've not heard of the Geneva Convention, then? Our enemies sure haven't. |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:23:12 +0100, "Brian"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants Somebody, Franz?, said that if you trample on the part above the surface first then the mares tails will absorb Roundup (I'm sure someone here will be able to give the scientific explanation for this). It's got a waxy surface that repels liquids. The only way to reduce mares tail is to keep digging it up, you'll never get rid of it, but if you keep at it, an hour or so a day, you reduce it's visibility. forever? :-(( As suggested, the external tissue is practically proof against absorption. There are silicates involved and these will not dissolve. To bruise the stems, is the best idea, prior to Roundup as some will then be taken in. Very little absorption is needed for a kill. Give three weeks between applications. There is a Roundup advisory service that would be able to help. They might suggest some additive that will slow down or stop the 'run off' Good Luck Brian. Have you actually succeeded in getting rid of mares tails this way, Brian? |
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In article , Derek Moody
wrote: Nothing at all. Pete the troll is forhing my name again. Assume that anything he writes is garbage. For example: Roundup is highly toxic, dangerous and completely unnecessary, not to It is in fact one of the safest herbicides available. The reps used to drink it to demonstrate its safety - though since generic versions have been on the market and the potential profits are now very low they seem to have given up as the flavour is not a great selling point. Cheerio, -- |
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"martin" wrote in message ... On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants Somebody, Franz?, said that if you trample on the part above the surface first then the mares tails will absorb Roundup Not guilty. Marestail is ineradicable. I fought it for 11 years in one garden without winning. (I'm sure someone here will be able to give the scientific explanation for this). It's got a waxy surface that repels liquids. The only way to reduce mares tail is to keep digging it up, you'll never get rid of it, but if you keep at it, an hour or so a day, you reduce it's visibility. forever? Franz |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:21:53 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants Somebody, Franz?, said that if you trample on the part above the surface first then the mares tails will absorb Roundup Not guilty. Sorry! My mistake. Marestail is ineradicable. I fought it for 11 years in one garden without winning. How come it hasn't taken over the whole world? :-) |
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"martin" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:23:12 +0100, "Brian" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants Somebody, Franz?, said that if you trample on the part above the surface first then the mares tails will absorb Roundup (I'm sure someone here will be able to give the scientific explanation for this). It's got a waxy surface that repels liquids. The only way to reduce mares tail is to keep digging it up, you'll never get rid of it, but if you keep at it, an hour or so a day, you reduce it's visibility. forever? :-(( As suggested, the external tissue is practically proof against absorption. There are silicates involved and these will not dissolve. To bruise the stems, is the best idea, prior to Roundup as some will then be taken in. Very little absorption is needed for a kill. Give three weeks between applications. There is a Roundup advisory service that would be able to help. They might suggest some additive that will slow down or stop the 'run off' Good Luck Brian. Have you actually succeeded in getting rid of mares tails this way, Brian? Our neighbouring farm had this as a major local problem covering a field edge that must have exceeded 2 acres in total. He used heavy duty ring-rollers before agricultural Roundup [there does seem to be a difference as I have used both]. The problem was minimal the next year but had apparently been treated further as the ground was clear of crops. I visited once more, about three years later and saw none left/obvious. I didn't make further enquiries. Many years before that I found a small [3 stems]group on my own land and used SBK as I was spraying brambles nearby. I don't remember seeing it again~~ but it had probably not got a good foothold. You mentioned depth of roots.~~ Near Hertford, there was a new sandpit opened and was quickly about twenty feet deep. On the vertical edges roots could be seen at, and more than, 12'. But then it was pure soft sand~~ perhaps not so deep elsewhere. Brian. |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 22:38:54 +0100, "Brian"
wrote: You mentioned depth of roots.~~ Near Hertford, there was a new sandpit opened and was quickly about twenty feet deep. On the vertical edges roots could be seen at, and more than, 12'. But then it was pure soft sand~~ perhaps not so deep elsewhere. It's pure soft sand in these parts :-((( -- Martin |
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"martin" wrote in message How come it hasn't taken over the whole world? :-) Well we have it on our allotments, and have had from the start. I've noticed it seems to spread in a wave, the front of which is of very thick lush growth and behind that it gets less and less. Probably uses up most of the nutrients it needs and then tails off. Seen the same initial lushness and then the tailing off on a railway line near here. We simply hoe it off as soon as we see it, a constant battle every season, but it is getting less and less each year. Don't know what I would do about it if it got into my garden amongst my plants where I can't hoe. -- Regards Bob Some photos of my plants at..... |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 23:01:30 +0100, "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message How come it hasn't taken over the whole world? :-) Well we have it on our allotments, and have had from the start. I've noticed it seems to spread in a wave, the front of which is of very thick lush growth and behind that it gets less and less. Probably uses up most of the nutrients it needs and then tails off. Seen the same initial lushness and then the tailing off on a railway line near here. When I was a kid, I only remember it growing on industrial waste land, bomb sites, railway tracks etc. |
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In article , martin writes: | | Marestail is ineradicable. I fought it for 11 years in one garden | without winning. | | How come it hasn't taken over the whole world? :-) It did, once. It's waiting until the climate is right for it again. Stick around for a few hundred million years, and you will see :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , Judith Lea
writes Thank you to everyone - it has got into my shrubbery and flower beds from the field next door - would adding washing up fluid help the Roundup to stick to the plant? -- Judith Lea |
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In article , Judith Lea
writes Thank you to everyone - it has got into my shrubbery and flower beds from the field next door - would adding washing up fluid help the Roundup to stick to the plant? -- Judith Lea |
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In message , Derek.Moody
writes In article , Derek Moody wrote: Nothing at all. Pete the troll is forhing my name again. Assume that anything he writes is garbage. For example: Roundup is highly toxic, dangerous and completely unnecessary, not to It is in fact one of the safest herbicides available. The reps used to drink it to demonstrate its safety - That is a pretty dumb thing to do. The active ingredient is fairly harmless, but the powerful wetting agents in commercial formulations are really not something you want to drink. Cavalier handling of the industrial strength concentrate by the terminally stupid has led to some injuries by ingestion. though since generic versions have been on the market and the potential profits are now very low they seem to have given up as the flavour is not a great selling point. Unless you really like Monsanto always choose the own brand with the best concentration of active ingredient per unit price (or Zeneca's variant). Regards, -- Martin Brown |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 09:53:25 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote: In message , Derek.Moody writes In article , Derek Moody wrote: Nothing at all. Pete the troll is forhing my name again. Assume that anything he writes is garbage. For example: Roundup is highly toxic, dangerous and completely unnecessary, not to It is in fact one of the safest herbicides available. The reps used to drink it to demonstrate its safety - That is a pretty dumb thing to do. If you knew anything about derek moody the forger/troll and porno king you would not be surprised at what he drinks. The active ingredient is fairly harmless, but the powerful wetting agents in commercial formulations are really not something you want to drink. Cavalier handling of the industrial strength concentrate by the terminally stupid has led to some injuries by ingestion. Indeed. Amazing really who would risk it. To avoid grizzlies, the Alaska Department of Fish & Game advises hikers to wear noisy little bells on clothes and carry pepper spray. Also watch for signs of activity: Black bear scat is smaller and contains berries; grizzly scat has little bells in it and smells like pepper. |
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"Judith Lea" wrote in message ... In article , Judith Lea writes Thank you to everyone - it has got into my shrubbery and flower beds from the field next door - would adding washing up fluid help the Roundup to stick to the plant? -- Judith Lea Judith, Try cutting the stems at a long angle and then smear with Roundup mixed with a little wallpaper paste. It remains for days and has been very effective with Japanese Knotweed and every weed I've ever encountered. Wear throw-away [very cheap] plastic gloves.[not that I bother]. This method gets under the repellent outer covering. This paste method is very good with all weeds within wanted plant areas as there is no drift. Well worth a try. Roundup from a farmers' outlet seems much stronger and when last bought cost about £17 a litre.[smallest available]. Enough to eliminate an acre~~ and doesn't seem to deteriorate when stored. I have only had to sign the poisons book for Grammoxone which is very poisonous. Best Wishes Brian 'flayb' to reply. |
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In message , Judith Lea
writes In article , Judith Lea writes Thank you to everyone - it has got into my shrubbery and flower beds from the field next door - would adding washing up fluid help the Roundup to stick to the plant? No. It already contains a more powerful wetting agent than that. Bruising the stems helps get past the silica surface barrier. There is some mileage in using a gel formulation for this application (or though it is unlicensed use, adding some wallpaper paste to it for spot weeding). Regards, -- Martin Brown |
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"martin" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:21:53 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? Move house? Ok, on a slightly more practical note then, mares tail is almost impossible to kill and doesn't absorb roundup like most plants Somebody, Franz?, said that if you trample on the part above the surface first then the mares tails will absorb Roundup Not guilty. Sorry! My mistake. Marestail is ineradicable. I fought it for 11 years in one garden without winning. How come it hasn't taken over the whole world? :-) Because we had reached a dynamic equilibrium. {:-) Franz |
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i have an allotment full of it. the best things which help
break it underfoot then sponge on. just keep hoeing but the best is to get hold of it a pull upwards and some root will also come. i have found to work with it. plant peas and use the stuff to grow under the peas. this keeps them moist good luck roger "Judith Lea" wrote in message ... Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? -- Judith Lea |
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Judith Lea wrote:
In article , Judith Lea writes Thank you to everyone - it has got into my shrubbery and flower beds from the field next door - would adding washing up fluid help the Roundup to stick to the plant? In my experience, ........ Yes. I had it forcing its way through that 'weed preventing' fabric and coming up between paving slabs. Sprayed it (with washing up liquid added) and left it to go brown. There was a bit of regrowth, so repeated the treatment and it hasn't come back. That was three years ago. -- ned http://www.bugsandweeds.co.uk |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 21:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: Marestail is ineradicable. I fought it for 11 years in one garden without winning. How come it hasn't taken over the whole world? :-) Because we had reached a dynamic equilibrium. {:-) We seem to be out of balance at the moment :-) |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 23:01:42 +0100, "roger"
wrote: i have an allotment full of it. the best things which help break it underfoot then sponge on. just keep hoeing but the best is to get hold of it a pull upwards and some root will also come. i have found to work with it. plant peas and use the stuff to grow under the peas. this keeps them moist Probably the best solution would be to cultivate it. Within weeks unknown parasites viruses etc would destroy the whole crop. |
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In article , martin
writes Thank you everyone, I will now use all of the methods suggested. On Tue, 25 May 2004 23:01:42 +0100, "roger" wrote: i have an allotment full of it. the best things which help break it underfoot then sponge on. just keep hoeing but the best is to get hold of it a pull upwards and some root will also come. i have found to work with it. plant peas and use the stuff to grow under the peas. this keeps them moist Probably the best solution would be to cultivate it. Within weeks unknown parasites viruses etc would destroy the whole crop. -- Judith Lea |
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"Brian" wrote in message
... "martin" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:23:12 +0100, "Brian" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? snip As suggested, the external tissue is practically proof against absorption. There are silicates involved and these will not dissolve. To bruise the stems, is the best idea, prior to Roundup as some will then be taken in. Very little absorption is needed for a kill. Give three weeks between applications. There is a Roundup advisory service that would be able to help. They might suggest some additive that will slow down or stop the 'run off' Good Luck Brian. Have you actually succeeded in getting rid of mares tails this way, Brian? Our neighbouring farm had this as a major local problem covering a field edge that must have exceeded 2 acres in total. He used heavy duty ring-rollers before agricultural Roundup [there does seem to be a difference as I have used both]. The problem was minimal the next year but had apparently been treated further as the ground was clear of crops. I visited once more, about three years later and saw none left/obvious. I didn't make further enquiries. Many years before that I found a small [3 stems]group on my own land and used SBK as I was spraying brambles nearby. I don't remember seeing it again~~ but it had probably not got a good foothold. You mentioned depth of roots.~~ Near Hertford, there was a new sandpit opened and was quickly about twenty feet deep. On the vertical edges roots could be seen at, and more than, 12'. But then it was pure soft sand~~ perhaps not so deep elsewhere. Brian. Reading all this, I wonder whether there is merit in crushing/bruising a couple of stems and then using the technique of putting it in a plastic bag with 1/2 strength roundup, as others have posted success stories with this when dealing with bindweed. Or even just crushing then spraying a couple of times with dilute roundup. I presume that they are all linked by a large root system, and not individual plants? We have difficulty with mares tail/horses tail on a few of the allotment plots near to the river bank. The non-plot land affected is covered mostly with black plastic as a means of controlling it. -- Richard Sampson email me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
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"Brian" wrote in message
... "martin" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:23:12 +0100, "Brian" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? snip As suggested, the external tissue is practically proof against absorption. There are silicates involved and these will not dissolve. To bruise the stems, is the best idea, prior to Roundup as some will then be taken in. Very little absorption is needed for a kill. Give three weeks between applications. There is a Roundup advisory service that would be able to help. They might suggest some additive that will slow down or stop the 'run off' Good Luck Brian. Have you actually succeeded in getting rid of mares tails this way, Brian? Our neighbouring farm had this as a major local problem covering a field edge that must have exceeded 2 acres in total. He used heavy duty ring-rollers before agricultural Roundup [there does seem to be a difference as I have used both]. The problem was minimal the next year but had apparently been treated further as the ground was clear of crops. I visited once more, about three years later and saw none left/obvious. I didn't make further enquiries. Many years before that I found a small [3 stems]group on my own land and used SBK as I was spraying brambles nearby. I don't remember seeing it again~~ but it had probably not got a good foothold. You mentioned depth of roots.~~ Near Hertford, there was a new sandpit opened and was quickly about twenty feet deep. On the vertical edges roots could be seen at, and more than, 12'. But then it was pure soft sand~~ perhaps not so deep elsewhere. Brian. Reading all this, I wonder whether there is merit in crushing/bruising a couple of stems and then using the technique of putting it in a plastic bag with 1/2 strength roundup, as others have posted success stories with this when dealing with bindweed. Or even just crushing then spraying a couple of times with dilute roundup. I presume that they are all linked by a large root system, and not individual plants? We have difficulty with mares tail/horses tail on a few of the allotment plots near to the river bank. The non-plot land affected is covered mostly with black plastic as a means of controlling it. -- Richard Sampson email me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
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"Brian" wrote in message
... "martin" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:23:12 +0100, "Brian" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On 24 May 2004 13:17:35 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: mares tail From: Judith Lea Date: 24/05/2004 14:08 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Help, I have sprayed twice with Roundup - it is becoming very invasive - any suggestions? snip As suggested, the external tissue is practically proof against absorption. There are silicates involved and these will not dissolve. To bruise the stems, is the best idea, prior to Roundup as some will then be taken in. Very little absorption is needed for a kill. Give three weeks between applications. There is a Roundup advisory service that would be able to help. They might suggest some additive that will slow down or stop the 'run off' Good Luck Brian. Have you actually succeeded in getting rid of mares tails this way, Brian? Our neighbouring farm had this as a major local problem covering a field edge that must have exceeded 2 acres in total. He used heavy duty ring-rollers before agricultural Roundup [there does seem to be a difference as I have used both]. The problem was minimal the next year but had apparently been treated further as the ground was clear of crops. I visited once more, about three years later and saw none left/obvious. I didn't make further enquiries. Many years before that I found a small [3 stems]group on my own land and used SBK as I was spraying brambles nearby. I don't remember seeing it again~~ but it had probably not got a good foothold. You mentioned depth of roots.~~ Near Hertford, there was a new sandpit opened and was quickly about twenty feet deep. On the vertical edges roots could be seen at, and more than, 12'. But then it was pure soft sand~~ perhaps not so deep elsewhere. Brian. Reading all this, I wonder whether there is merit in crushing/bruising a couple of stems and then using the technique of putting it in a plastic bag with 1/2 strength roundup, as others have posted success stories with this when dealing with bindweed. Or even just crushing then spraying a couple of times with dilute roundup. I presume that they are all linked by a large root system, and not individual plants? We have difficulty with mares tail/horses tail on a few of the allotment plots near to the river bank. The non-plot land affected is covered mostly with black plastic as a means of controlling it. -- Richard Sampson email me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
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Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , martin writes: | | Marestail is ineradicable. I fought it for 11 years in one garden | without winning. | | How come it hasn't taken over the whole world? :-) It did, once. It's waiting until the climate is right for it again. Stick around for a few hundred million years, and you will see :-) Ha! regards sarah -- Think of it as evolution in action. |
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