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Does anyone have any good tips for persuading blackbirds not to throw bark
mulch over the lawn when foraging in the borders? With a large garden and a lot of formal beds, the benefits of weed supression are being offset by the time needed to clear up each day. Any suggestions will be gratefully received. Bob Holly |
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Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs so they should be
commended. Mine are too lazy and just take the "easy to grab" worms from my lawn. Paul DS. |
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"Bob Holly" wrote in message
news:dN0tc.43$NF6.21@newsfe2-win... Does anyone have any good tips for persuading blackbirds not to throw bark mulch over the lawn when foraging in the borders? With a large garden and a lot of formal beds, the benefits of weed supression are being offset by the time needed to clear up each day. Any suggestions will be gratefully received. The do this with compost mulch and leaves too. It seems to be inevitable. Next door's cats don't seem to put them off and neither does my presence in the garden, so I just enjoy standing and watching the cheeky blighters. -- Nick Wagg |
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In article dN0tc.43$NF6.21@newsfe2-win, Bob Holly writes Does anyone have any good tips for persuading blackbirds not to throw bark mulch over the lawn when foraging in the borders? With a large garden and a lot of formal beds, the benefits of weed supression are being offset by the time needed to clear up each day. Any suggestions will be gratefully received. They may be making a mess, but they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't finding food. I think you have to balance the mess against the possibly, even probably in the case of slugs and snails, harmful critters they are eating. -- Malcolm |
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In article , Paul
D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! They are just searching for worms and insects. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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In article , Paul
D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! They are just searching for worms and insects. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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In article , Jane Ransom writes In article , Paul D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! They are just searching for worms and insects. Hey, why not give blackbirds the credit that is their due?! They certainly do eat slugs as is confirmed by this quote from the monograph 'British Thrushes' (Simms 1978): "Slugs stand rather low in human esteem due to their slimy quality and the damage that some will do in our gardens. The garden slug (Arion hortensis) breeds throughout most of the year and is our best known slug, while the netted slug (Agriolimax reticulatus) is the commonest British slug and when contracted has a characteristic dome-shaped body. Both species figure in the diet of mistle thrushes, song thrushes, redwings and blackbirds. Before eating them or feeding them to their young the adults birds will generally wipe them on bare earth or on grass to remove the slime. One individual redwing in my garden spent half a minute doing this and blackbirds may remain occupied in the task for several minutes at a time." -- Malcolm |
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"Jane Ransom" wrote in message ... In article , Paul D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! You might want to come and tell the blackbirds in my garden - I have observed them eating slugs on many occasions :-) Neil |
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In article , Malcolm
writes In article , Jane Ransom writes In article , Paul D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! They are just searching for worms and insects. Hey, why not give blackbirds the credit that is their due?! They certainly do eat slugs Perhaps you could let the people who compiled the 'cd rom guide to British birds' and the Readers Digest who compiled the 'book of British birds' then!!!!!! I once went through them to see what birds ate slugs. There were only 7 - Starling, partridge, corncrake, stone curlew, spotted crake, black tailed godwit and moorhen. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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Jane Ransom wrote:
In article dN0tc.43$NF6.21@newsfe2-win, Bob Holly writes Does anyone have any good tips for persuading blackbirds not to throw bark mulch over the lawn when foraging in the borders? Nope - unless you can face suspending models of sparrowhawks all over your garden!!!!!! With a large garden and a lot of formal beds, the benefits of weed supression are being offset by the time needed to clear up each day. Get used to it and be thankful that you have lots of birds in your garden. Let's face it, it doesn't take long to use a soft brush on the lawn to sweep the bark mulch back on to the borders, does it? !!!!! They certainly make a mess on my lawn and drive throwing the bark chippings about, can't get it all off the lawn, the lawnmower lets me know what's left! :-( I thought that I would line the edges with lawn edging, reckon that would work? -- Please only reply to Newsgroup as emails to this address are deleted on arrival. |
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In article , Paul
D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! They are just searching for worms and insects. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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In article , Jane Ransom writes In article , Paul D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! They are just searching for worms and insects. Hey, why not give blackbirds the credit that is their due?! They certainly do eat slugs as is confirmed by this quote from the monograph 'British Thrushes' (Simms 1978): "Slugs stand rather low in human esteem due to their slimy quality and the damage that some will do in our gardens. The garden slug (Arion hortensis) breeds throughout most of the year and is our best known slug, while the netted slug (Agriolimax reticulatus) is the commonest British slug and when contracted has a characteristic dome-shaped body. Both species figure in the diet of mistle thrushes, song thrushes, redwings and blackbirds. Before eating them or feeding them to their young the adults birds will generally wipe them on bare earth or on grass to remove the slime. One individual redwing in my garden spent half a minute doing this and blackbirds may remain occupied in the task for several minutes at a time." -- Malcolm |
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"Jane Ransom" wrote in message ... In article , Paul D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! You might want to come and tell the blackbirds in my garden - I have observed them eating slugs on many occasions :-) Neil |
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In article , Malcolm
writes In article , Jane Ransom writes In article , Paul D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! They are just searching for worms and insects. Hey, why not give blackbirds the credit that is their due?! They certainly do eat slugs Perhaps you could let the people who compiled the 'cd rom guide to British birds' and the Readers Digest who compiled the 'book of British birds' then!!!!!! I once went through them to see what birds ate slugs. There were only 7 - Starling, partridge, corncrake, stone curlew, spotted crake, black tailed godwit and moorhen. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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Jane Ransom wrote:
In article dN0tc.43$NF6.21@newsfe2-win, Bob Holly writes Does anyone have any good tips for persuading blackbirds not to throw bark mulch over the lawn when foraging in the borders? Nope - unless you can face suspending models of sparrowhawks all over your garden!!!!!! With a large garden and a lot of formal beds, the benefits of weed supression are being offset by the time needed to clear up each day. Get used to it and be thankful that you have lots of birds in your garden. Let's face it, it doesn't take long to use a soft brush on the lawn to sweep the bark mulch back on to the borders, does it? !!!!! They certainly make a mess on my lawn and drive throwing the bark chippings about, can't get it all off the lawn, the lawnmower lets me know what's left! :-( I thought that I would line the edges with lawn edging, reckon that would work? -- Please only reply to Newsgroup as emails to this address are deleted on arrival. |
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Jane,
I've seen blackbirds in my parents garden eating both slugs and using anvil stones to each snails. My parents have very sandy soil and worms are often deep down so perhaps it might be more correct to say that blackbirds prefer not to eat slugs but will if that's all that's around. My own garden is clay, normally quite damp and with worms near the surface. I see blackbirds pulling worms all the time but they've never gone for either the slugs all snails as far as I can see. My wife wishes they would because she likes hostas! Paul DS. |
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In article , Jane Ransom writes In article , Malcolm writes In article , Jane Ransom writes In article , Paul D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! They are just searching for worms and insects. Hey, why not give blackbirds the credit that is their due?! They certainly do eat slugs Perhaps you could let the people who compiled the 'cd rom guide to British birds' and the Readers Digest who compiled the 'book of British birds' then!!!!!! I once went through them to see what birds ate slugs. There were only 7 - Starling, partridge, corncrake, stone curlew, spotted crake, black tailed godwit and moorhen. Well, I'm astonished that no member of the thrush family is mentioned. But of course that just goes to show you can't trust what you read in bird books :-)) But if you do (!), then as well as the book on thrushes that I quoted, slugs are mentioned as blackbird food in the 7-volume (and *very* authoritative) 'Birds of the Western Palearctic'. They are also mentioned as being eaten "in abundance" in 'The Blackbird' (Hillstead 1945). -- Malcolm |
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In article , Broadback writes Jane Ransom wrote: In article dN0tc.43$NF6.21@newsfe2-win, Bob Holly writes Does anyone have any good tips for persuading blackbirds not to throw bark mulch over the lawn when foraging in the borders? Nope - unless you can face suspending models of sparrowhawks all over your garden!!!!!! With a large garden and a lot of formal beds, the benefits of weed supression are being offset by the time needed to clear up each day. Get used to it and be thankful that you have lots of birds in your garden. Let's face it, it doesn't take long to use a soft brush on the lawn to sweep the bark mulch back on to the borders, does it? !!!!! They certainly make a mess on my lawn and drive throwing the bark chippings about, can't get it all off the lawn, the lawnmower lets me know what's left! :-( I thought that I would line the edges with lawn edging, reckon that would work? It'll probably just encourage them to give them an obstacle to throw the mulch over. Much more fun! -- Malcolm |
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In article , Neil Jones neil@the-
joneses.org.uk writes You might want to come and tell the blackbirds in my garden - I have observed them eating slugs on many occasions :-) While I have watched a thrush eating a snail, I have never seen any bird eat a slug :(((((((( Perhaps there is enough stuff that they like in our garden so that they don't need to resort to slugs :)))))))))))) -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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"Malcolm" wrote in message ... In article , Jane Ransom writes In article , Malcolm writes In article , Jane Ransom writes In article , Paul D.Smith writes Sounds like your blackbirds are searching for slugs No, no, no - blackbirds do not eat slugs!! They are just searching for worms and insects. Hey, why not give blackbirds the credit that is their due?! They certainly do eat slugs Perhaps you could let the people who compiled the 'cd rom guide to British birds' and the Readers Digest who compiled the 'book of British birds' then!!!!!! I once went through them to see what birds ate slugs. There were only 7 - Starling, partridge, corncrake, stone curlew, spotted crake, black tailed godwit and moorhen. Well, I'm astonished that no member of the thrush family is mentioned. But of course that just goes to show you can't trust what you read in bird books :-)) But if you do (!), then as well as the book on thrushes that I quoted, slugs are mentioned as blackbird food in the 7-volume (and *very* authoritative) 'Birds of the Western Palearctic'. They are also mentioned as being eaten "in abundance" in 'The Blackbird' (Hillstead 1945). I have watched both male and female blackbirds catching and eating slugs in the garden. I have also on various occasions watched a thrush beating a snail on a stone to crack the shell before extracting the snail for eating. Franz |
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Lets just say that the blackbirds turn over the mulch looking for food.
In so doing they also stop any weed seed taking rot in the mulch. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
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from "David Hill" contains these words: Lets just say that the blackbirds turn over the mulch looking for food. In so doing they also stop any weed seed taking rot in the mulch. Quite. As they endlessly turn over the mulch here, they are doing the same job as turning a compost heap..letting in air and rain and encouraging its decomposition which in turn encourages more worm activity, to our mutual benefit. Janet. |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:17:36 +0100, "Bob Holly"
wrote: Does anyone have any good tips for persuading blackbirds not to throw bark mulch over the lawn when foraging in the borders? With a large garden and a lot of formal beds, the benefits of weed supression are being offset by the time needed to clear up each day. Any suggestions will be gratefully received. Bob Holly We had the same problem but they were doing it on the drive. I had to go out and give them a stern telling off so that they would stand the other way round. Seriously though we bought some black netting and have spread it over the mulching borders, about 18" wide. This has all but put a stop to it. We get just a bit from a particularly energetic bird who manages to reach the drive from well into the border. It's not a problem now. The netting is about 1/2" square, and you have to look hard to see it. I anchored it with hooks made from some redundant old wire that was lying about. John In limine sapientiae |
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On 29/5/04 10:41 am, in article ,
"John Edgar" wrote: snip Seriously though we bought some black netting and have spread it over the mulching borders, about 18" wide. This has all but put a stop to it. We get just a bit from a particularly energetic bird who manages to reach the drive from well into the border. It's not a problem now. The netting is about 1/2" square, and you have to look hard to see it. I anchored it with hooks made from some redundant old wire that was lying about. And you will quite possibly have trapped, injured and dead birds in the netting. All because some mulch gets thrown around? The blackbirds are searching for and eating pests that will attack the very plants you are trying to protect. Does a perfectly tidy, manicured, practically hoovered garden make up for more pests and dead birds? ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds after garden to email me) |
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"John Edgar" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 May 2004 13:17:36 +0100, "Bob Holly" wrote: Does anyone have any good tips for persuading blackbirds not to throw bark mulch over the lawn when foraging in the borders? With a large garden and a lot of formal beds, the benefits of weed supression are being offset by the time needed to clear up each day. Any suggestions will be gratefully received. Bob Holly We had the same problem but they were doing it on the drive. I had to go out and give them a stern telling off so that they would stand the other way round. Seriously though we bought some black netting and have spread it over the mulching borders, about 18" wide. This has all but put a stop to it. We get just a bit from a particularly energetic bird who manages to reach the drive from well into the border. It's not a problem now. The netting is about 1/2" square, and you have to look hard to see it. I anchored it with hooks made from some redundant old wire that was lying about. Just in case you don't know, allowing birds to be trapped in micronetting is illegal. Judging by your description, yout netting falls into that category. Franz |
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And you will quite possibly have trapped, injured and dead birds in the netting. All because some mulch gets thrown around? The blackbirds are searching for and eating pests that will attack the very plants you are trying to protect. Does a perfectly tidy, manicured, practically hoovered garden make up for more pests and dead birds? ;-) Frankly I think this is a bit of an over-reaction. Firstly I have seen no dead birds anywhere. Secondly the netting is only about 12" to 18" wide - it is just where the mulch comes up to the drive. They have the rest of the beds to go over at their own will and pleasure which they do extensively. I don't care 2 hoots what they do there and they are welcome to find whatever they want. John In limine sapientiae |
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Just in case you don't know, allowing birds to be trapped in micronetting is illegal. Judging by your description, yout netting falls into that category. Franz I don't think it is micro netting. It was described as fruit netting. No birds have become trapped. They simply do not go on it or over it which is the plan. They have the rest of the beds to muck about in which is what they do and I am quite happy abbout that. John In limine sapientiae |
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"John Edgar" wrote in message ... Just in case you don't know, allowing birds to be trapped in micronetting is illegal. Judging by your description, yout netting falls into that category. Franz I don't think it is micro netting. It was described as fruit netting. This does not sound like fruit netting :- "The netting is about 1/2" square, and you have to look hard to see it." No birds have become trapped. They simply do not go on it or over it which is the plan. They have the rest of the beds to muck about in which is what they do and I am quite happy abbout that. Franz |
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On Sun, 30 May 2004 20:41:24 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "John Edgar" wrote in message .. . Just in case you don't know, allowing birds to be trapped in micronetting is illegal. Judging by your description, yout netting falls into that category. Franz I don't think it is micro netting. It was described as fruit netting. This does not sound like fruit netting :- "The netting is about 1/2" square, and you have to look hard to see it." Sounds single filament fish netting? |
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:48:27 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 30 May 2004 20:41:24 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "John Edgar" wrote in message .. . Just in case you don't know, allowing birds to be trapped in micronetting is illegal. Judging by your description, yout netting falls into that category. Franz I don't think it is micro netting. It was described as fruit netting. This does not sound like fruit netting :- "The netting is about 1/2" square, and you have to look hard to see it." Sounds like single filament fish netting? I am probably wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. What are the same thing? |
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"martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:48:27 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 30 May 2004 20:41:24 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "John Edgar" wrote in message .. . Just in case you don't know, allowing birds to be trapped in micronetting is illegal. Judging by your description, yout netting falls into that category. Franz I don't think it is micro netting. It was described as fruit netting. This does not sound like fruit netting :- "The netting is about 1/2" square, and you have to look hard to see it." Sounds like single filament fish netting? I am probably wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. What are the same thing? Filament fish netting and the micro-netting used by authorised bird ringers. Franz |
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:16:06 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:48:27 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 30 May 2004 20:41:24 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "John Edgar" wrote in message .. . Just in case you don't know, allowing birds to be trapped in micronetting is illegal. Judging by your description, yout netting falls into that category. Franz I don't think it is micro netting. It was described as fruit netting. This does not sound like fruit netting :- "The netting is about 1/2" square, and you have to look hard to see it." Sounds like single filament fish netting? I am probably wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. What are the same thing? Filament fish netting and the micro-netting used by authorised bird ringers. ah! I admit to knowing nothing about the micro netting used by authorised or unauthorised bird ringers. I do know what bird netting used to protect fruit looks like. |
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In article , Franz Heymann writes "martin" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:48:27 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . Sounds like single filament fish netting? I am probably wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. What are the same thing? Filament fish netting and the micro-netting used by authorised bird ringers. Not so. The mist-nets used by bird ringers are completely different from what I understand by mono-filament fish netting. -- Malcolm |
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:05:07 +0100, Malcolm
wrote: In article , Franz Heymann writes "martin" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:48:27 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . Sounds like single filament fish netting? I am probably wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. What are the same thing? Filament fish netting and the micro-netting used by authorised bird ringers. Not so. The mist-nets used by bird ringers are completely different from what I understand by mono-filament fish netting. but they all come from Bridport? |
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In article , martin writes On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:05:07 +0100, Malcolm wrote: In article , Franz Heymann writes "martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:48:27 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . Sounds like single filament fish netting? I am probably wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. What are the same thing? Filament fish netting and the micro-netting used by authorised bird ringers. Not so. The mist-nets used by bird ringers are completely different from what I understand by mono-filament fish netting. but they all come from Bridport? Only some mistnets, nowadays. Japan, Poland, Sweden. -- Malcolm |
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And you will quite possibly have trapped, injured and dead birds in the netting. All because some mulch gets thrown around? The blackbirds are searching for and eating pests that will attack the very plants you are trying to protect. Does a perfectly tidy, manicured, practically hoovered garden make up for more pests and dead birds? ;-) I have a blackbird now that completely disproves your theory. It is able to mess up my drive with the mulch in spite of the netting. It is doing it right through it and still no evidence of trapped birds. Quite the reverse. After making their mess they escape with great alacrity, and I suspect have a jolly good laugh at me. John In limine sapientiae |
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