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Chris Hogg 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall) has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They take it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the public
(spread on a nearby farmer's fields, I believe, with whom they have
some sort of arrangement). When I rang them to ask if they had any
plans to bag and sell it, they replied that they would really love to,
but new regulations from DEFRA relating to foot-and-mouth mean that
they would have to get it all regularly tested, which makes it too
expensive to justify (tested for F&M presumably, although why garden
waste should carry it is beyond me! Perhaps DEFRA are worried about
animal contamination).

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do? Is this
testing thing just an excuse, or does it really have to be done? And
if so, what's the logic?


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

Tumbleweed 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall) has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They take it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the public
(spread on a nearby farmer's fields, I believe, with whom they have
some sort of arrangement). When I rang them to ask if they had any
plans to bag and sell it, they replied that they would really love to,
but new regulations from DEFRA relating to foot-and-mouth mean that
they would have to get it all regularly tested, which makes it too
expensive to justify (tested for F&M presumably, although why garden
waste should carry it is beyond me! Perhaps DEFRA are worried about
animal contamination).

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do? Is this
testing thing just an excuse, or does it really have to be done? And
if so, what's the logic?



my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free at the
local dump.

Seems a completely illogical excuse to me. If its being spread on farmers
fields surely theyd have to have it tested for F&M by that reasononing
(farmers....), if that was true which I bet it isnt.

--
email replies not necessary but to contact use;

tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com



Just Molly 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
...

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall) has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They take it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the public
(spread on a nearby farmer's fields, I believe, with whom they have
some sort of arrangement). When I rang them to ask if they had any
plans to bag and sell it, they replied that they would really love to,
but new regulations from DEFRA relating to foot-and-mouth mean that
they would have to get it all regularly tested, which makes it too
expensive to justify (tested for F&M presumably, although why garden
waste should carry it is beyond me! Perhaps DEFRA are worried about
animal contamination).

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do? Is this
testing thing just an excuse, or does it really have to be done? And
if so, what's the logic?



my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free at the
local dump.


Mine sells it for £5 a bag :0(



Poppy 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Just Molly" wrote in message
news:EM0Dc.73$6r.53@newsfe2-win...

"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
...

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall) has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They take it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the public
(spread on a nearby farmer's fields, I believe, with whom they have
some sort of arrangement). When I rang them to ask if they had any
plans to bag and sell it, they replied that they would really love to,
but new regulations from DEFRA relating to foot-and-mouth mean that
they would have to get it all regularly tested, which makes it too
expensive to justify (tested for F&M presumably, although why garden
waste should carry it is beyond me! Perhaps DEFRA are worried about
animal contamination).

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do? Is this
testing thing just an excuse, or does it really have to be done? And
if so, what's the logic?



my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free at the
local dump.


Mine sells it for £5 a bag :0(


Ours does it for £1 a bag (covers cost of bags and a token sum I think).

On the F&M thing - surely farmers using it over vast expanses of land are
*more* likely to spread F&M if that's the worry - smacks of nonsense to me.

--Poppy



Franz Heymann 26-06-2004 11:54 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall) has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They take

it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the public
(spread on a nearby farmer's fields, I believe, with whom they have
some sort of arrangement). When I rang them to ask if they had any
plans to bag and sell it, they replied that they would really love

to,
but new regulations from DEFRA relating to foot-and-mouth mean that
they would have to get it all regularly tested, which makes it too
expensive to justify (tested for F&M presumably, although why garden
waste should carry it is beyond me! Perhaps DEFRA are worried about
animal contamination).

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do? Is this
testing thing just an excuse, or does it really have to be done? And
if so, what's the logic?


My council, North Yorkshire CC, sells such compost at a number of
sites at £2.50 per 50 litre bag. This is the first season I am trying
it, so I cannot really comment except to say that it is really
thoroughly composted with a nice friable texture. I am trying itout
as a mulch, to be gradually hoed in as the season progresses.

Franz




Just Molly 26-06-2004 11:54 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall) has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They take

it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the public
(spread on a nearby farmer's fields, I believe, with whom they have
some sort of arrangement). When I rang them to ask if they had any
plans to bag and sell it, they replied that they would really love

to,
but new regulations from DEFRA relating to foot-and-mouth mean that
they would have to get it all regularly tested, which makes it too
expensive to justify (tested for F&M presumably, although why garden
waste should carry it is beyond me! Perhaps DEFRA are worried about
animal contamination).

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do? Is this
testing thing just an excuse, or does it really have to be done? And
if so, what's the logic?


My council, North Yorkshire CC, sells such compost at a number of
sites at £2.50 per 50 litre bag. This is the first season I am trying
it, so I cannot really comment except to say that it is really
thoroughly composted with a nice friable texture. I am trying itout
as a mulch, to be gradually hoed in as the season progresses.

I think more ppl would buy ours if it were not so expensive :0(



Franz Heymann 26-06-2004 04:13 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Just Molly" wrote in message
news:EM0Dc.73$6r.53@newsfe2-win...

"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
...

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall)

has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They

take it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But

it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the

public
(spread on a nearby farmer's fields, I believe, with whom they

have
some sort of arrangement). When I rang them to ask if they had

any
plans to bag and sell it, they replied that they would really

love to,
but new regulations from DEFRA relating to foot-and-mouth mean

that
they would have to get it all regularly tested, which makes it

too
expensive to justify (tested for F&M presumably, although why

garden
waste should carry it is beyond me! Perhaps DEFRA are worried

about
animal contamination).

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do? Is this
testing thing just an excuse, or does it really have to be done?

And
if so, what's the logic?



my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free

at the
local dump.


Mine sells it for £5 a bag :0(


If that is less than 100 litres you ought to tell them they are
ripping you off.

Franz




Franz Heymann 26-06-2004 04:13 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Just Molly" wrote in message
...

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall)

has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They

take
it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But

it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the

public
(spread on a nearby farmer's fields, I believe, with whom they

have
some sort of arrangement). When I rang them to ask if they had

any
plans to bag and sell it, they replied that they would really

love
to,
but new regulations from DEFRA relating to foot-and-mouth mean

that
they would have to get it all regularly tested, which makes it

too
expensive to justify (tested for F&M presumably, although why

garden
waste should carry it is beyond me! Perhaps DEFRA are worried

about
animal contamination).

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do? Is this
testing thing just an excuse, or does it really have to be done?

And
if so, what's the logic?


My council, North Yorkshire CC, sells such compost at a number of
sites at £2.50 per 50 litre bag. This is the first season I am

trying
it, so I cannot really comment except to say that it is really
thoroughly composted with a nice friable texture. I am trying

itout
as a mulch, to be gradually hoed in as the season progresses.

I think more ppl would buy ours if it were not so expensive :0(


I think you should get yourlocal paper to point out prominently that
they are ripping you off in comparison with the other Councils
mentioned in urg. If the paper would be brave enough to suggest that
the householders should boycott the stuff until the price is
reasonable, they will come to theit senses quite quickly, since they
have already incurred the cost of setting up thr composting plant and
producing the compost. Could you find out if there is a neighbouring
council from which you could threaten to buy your compost?

Franz



Janet Baraclough 26-06-2004 09:08 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free

at the
local dump.


Mine sells it for £5 a bag :0(


If that is less than 100 litres you ought to tell them they are
ripping you off.


Maybe they aren't ripping anyone off; just being realistic.

£5 might reflect the actual cost of council collection, storage,
processing, labour and packaging costs of turning household waste into
compost. Councils that "give it away to the public for free", also face
production costs. There's no such thing as a free lunch, even for
plants. When councils give anything away free or at a knockdown price,
council tax payers are funding that "generosity". Read your council's
annual accounts, you might get a nasty shock to see where some of your
money was spent, or "given".

Our council (North Ayshire) uses their mainland public's composted
green waste in the gardens it manages in schools, parks, public gardens
and care homes etc.

Janet.








Choc-brain 26-06-2004 10:10 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
"Chris Hogg" wrote
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall) has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They take it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the public

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do?


My council (Macclesfield) gives you a voucher every time you take garden
waste to the tip. When you have 5 vouchers, you can exchange them for a free
(20litre??) bag of compost. The only problem with this method is that they
give you 1 voucher for any quantity of garden waste, so it's very tempting
to take garden waste to the tip in small amounts in order to get lots of
vouchers.

Choccie



Franz Heymann 27-06-2004 12:05 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains

these words:

my council composts garden waste and makes it available for

free
at the
local dump.


Mine sells it for £5 a bag :0(


If that is less than 100 litres you ought to tell them they are
ripping you off.


Maybe they aren't ripping anyone off; just being realistic.

£5 might reflect the actual cost of council collection, storage,


We have already all paid for this in our garbage collection levy.
We also have already paid for what would otherwise have been the
labour cost of transporting it to, and manipulating it at an
incinerator or a landfill site.

processing, labour and packaging costs of turning household waste

into
compost. Councils that "give it away to the public for free", also

face
production costs.


Of course. But don't you find it an odd coincidence that they sell
for prices in the same ballpark as normal peat-based potting composts?
I call that charging what the market will bear.
Donkeys years ago, in the sixties, the local council produced compost
from household waste at Leatherhead at a price which was (quoting
from memory) about a quarter of the price of commercial composts.
They only stopped after a few years because of fears of spreading
disease and glass slivers, since they composted all household waste,
and not only garden waste. (Damn good stuff it was,too.)

There's no such thing as a free lunch, even for
plants. When councils give anything away free or at a knockdown

price,
council tax payers are funding that "generosity". Read your

council's
annual accounts, you might get a nasty shock to see where some of

your
money was spent, or "given".

Our council (North Ayshire) uses their mainland public's composted
green waste in the gardens it manages in schools, parks, public

gardens
and care homes etc.


Franz




Franz Heymann 27-06-2004 12:06 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Choc-brain" wrote in message
...
"Chris Hogg" wrote
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall) has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They take

it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But

it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the

public

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do?


My council (Macclesfield) gives you a voucher every time you take

garden
waste to the tip. When you have 5 vouchers, you can exchange them

for a free
(20litre??) bag of compost. The only problem with this method is

that they
give you 1 voucher for any quantity of garden waste, so it's very

tempting
to take garden waste to the tip in small amounts in order to get

lots of
vouchers.


Running a car costs a non negligible fraction of a £ per mile

Franz



gary davis 27-06-2004 10:06 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
On 6/26/04 1:34 PM, in article ,
"Choc-brain" wrote:

"Chris Hogg" wrote
In recent years, our local council (Kerrier, in west Cornwall) has
been taking garden waste at local waste recycling sites. They take it
away to a central depot where it's shredded and composted. But it's
disposed of locally, rather than being made available to the public

I'm amazed and disappointed. What do other councils do?


My council (Macclesfield) gives you a voucher every time you take garden
waste to the tip. When you have 5 vouchers, you can exchange them for a free
(20litre??) bag of compost. The only problem with this method is that they
give you 1 voucher for any quantity of garden waste, so it's very tempting
to take garden waste to the tip in small amounts in order to get lots of
vouchers.

Choccie


Interesting! It would seem that your council needs to pay more attention to
detail. Do they get paid for being on council??
My thinking is that if you should bring more then you get more vouchers. But
then there may be problems at their end that you need to find out about.
Otherwise just follow the rules...or you could just compost it yourself.
It's not that difficult and you could add 'other' stuff that you wouldn't
send to the tip and increases the power of your compost for plants. Your
plants will love you.
Gary


Rodger Whitlock 28-06-2004 03:17 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:56:33 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote:

The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free
at the local dump.


Mine sells it for £5 a bag :0(


If that is less than 100 litres you ought to tell them they are
ripping you off.


Maybe they aren't ripping anyone off; just being realistic.

£5 might reflect the actual cost of council collection, storage,
processing, labour and packaging costs of turning household waste into
compost.


This overlooks one of the important reasons municipalities have
set up garden waste composting: to keep such waste out of
landfills (or wherever the garbage goes). So in calculating
"actual cost", a discount is required to reflect this benefit.


--
Rodger Whitlock, Victoria, BC, Canada

"Listening to the [Opus Clavicembalisticum] is much like
Mussolini is alleged to have reported about governing
the Italians: it's not impossible, just POINTLESS."

----Jeffrey Friedman, 2004/06/24

[email protected] 28-06-2004 09:07 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

We have already all paid for this in our garbage collection levy.
We also have already paid for what would otherwise have been the
labour cost of transporting it to, and manipulating it at an
incinerator or a landfill site.


We have garden waste bins now. They are provided by the council
(Oldham) and collected every fortnight. No idea what they do with it
but the idea was to separate it from the waste in the black bins. So..
we now have plastic bags for paper, green bins, black bins and a black
box for plastic and tins.
Diana


Janet Tweedy 30-06-2004 01:09 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
In article , Tumbleweed
writes

my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free at the
local dump.




Amersham council sell their and not too cheaply wither! Mind you, seeing
what people put in the compost I wouldn't want any. I can't believe that
ground elder and bindweed will be killed by simple composting and what
about the odd chunk of Japanese knotweed that some new gardener might
not recognise?

Janet

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Tumbleweed 02-07-2004 08:08 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Tumbleweed
writes

my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free at the
local dump.




Amersham council sell their and not too cheaply wither! Mind you, seeing
what people put in the compost I wouldn't want any. I can't believe that
ground elder and bindweed will be killed by simple composting and what
about the odd chunk of Japanese knotweed that some new gardener might
not recognise?



What is 'simple' composting? "Good" composting will kill any plant
remnants.AFAIK the problem with all the plants you mention is that they are
difficult to kill when growing, not that they are particularily hardy in
compost heaps compared to other plants.

--
Tumbleweed

email replies not necessary but to contact use;
tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com



Kay 02-07-2004 08:09 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
In article , Tumbleweed thisaccountneverr
writes

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Tumbleweed
writes

my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free at the
local dump.




Amersham council sell their and not too cheaply wither! Mind you, seeing
what people put in the compost I wouldn't want any. I can't believe that
ground elder and bindweed will be killed by simple composting and what
about the odd chunk of Japanese knotweed that some new gardener might
not recognise?



What is 'simple' composting? "Good" composting will kill any plant
remnants.AFAIK the problem with all the plants you mention is that they are
difficult to kill when growing, not that they are particularily hardy in
compost heaps compared to other plants.


Come to that, what else should one do with them? If you don't want them
in your compost, then there aren't many alternatives. You can't put them
in the dustbin, it isn't particularly desirable to burn them, and I'm
not sure whetehr they're any better for landfill
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Franz Heymann 02-07-2004 08:09 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Tumbleweed
writes

my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free at

the
local dump.




Amersham council sell their and not too cheaply wither! Mind you,

seeing
what people put in the compost I wouldn't want any. I can't believe

that
ground elder and bindweed will be killed by simple composting and

what
about the odd chunk of Japanese knotweed that some new gardener

might
not recognise?


Nothing survives an well executed composting process My Council
jollop looks as near to perfectly composted material as I have ever
seen. Time will tell if it only looks good, or if it actually
benefits the garden.

Franz



Janet Baraclough.. 02-07-2004 08:09 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

Nothing survives an well executed composting process My Council
jollop looks as near to perfectly composted material as I have ever
seen. Time will tell if it only looks good, or if it actually
benefits the garden.


In rec.gardens archive in google, you should be able to find the
threads about their equivalent of council compost containing high levels
of plant-toxic chemicals. These were supposed to have arrived on
clippings from treated lawns.

Janet.



Janet Baraclough.. 02-07-2004 08:09 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
The message
from Kay contains these words:


Come to that, what else should one do with them? If you don't want them
in your compost, then there aren't many alternatives. You can't put them
in the dustbin, it isn't particularly desirable to burn them, and I'm
not sure whetehr they're any better for landfill


Put them in a wormbin. That's what I do with couch grass. Nothing
survives being eaten by worms :-)

Janet.

Franz Heymann 02-07-2004 08:11 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in
message ...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains

these words:

Nothing survives an well executed composting process My Council
jollop looks as near to perfectly composted material as I have

ever
seen. Time will tell if it only looks good, or if it actually
benefits the garden.


In rec.gardens archive in google, you should be able to find the
threads about their equivalent of council compost containing high

levels
of plant-toxic chemicals. These were supposed to have arrived on
clippings from treated lawns.


Do you know of anyone who, for this reason, does not use their own
grass cuttings either as a mulch or a compost ingredient?

Franz



Douglas 02-07-2004 11:02 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Tumbleweed
writes

my council composts garden waste and makes it available for free at

the
local dump.




Amersham council sell their and not too cheaply wither! Mind you,

seeing
what people put in the compost I wouldn't want any. I can't believe

that
ground elder and bindweed will be killed by simple composting and

what
about the odd chunk of Japanese knotweed that some new gardener

might
not recognise?


Nothing survives an well executed composting process My Council
jollop looks as near to perfectly composted material as I have ever
seen. Time will tell if it only looks good, or if it actually
benefits the garden.

Franz


******
Jollop?, I had a good smile at that one!. That word was said occasionally
when I was a child, by my Dad when referring to the diaphorryo the poor
footsloggers in the WW1 trenches suffered. Actually the word is jalap; A
purgative drug derived from the tuberous roots of a Mexican climbing
plant., - ( Spanish, Ipomoea , family Convolvulaceae.); It was the only
military answer to constipation and it was said it was not usually required
just before they went over the top..
He was better off in WW2, - he was a Flight Louie in the R.A.F. Training
Command and the Officers Mess was not short of a loo or three..
Doug.
******



Janet Baraclough.. 02-07-2004 05:03 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:


"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in
message ...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains

these words:

Nothing survives an well executed composting process My Council
jollop looks as near to perfectly composted material as I have

ever
seen. Time will tell if it only looks good, or if it actually
benefits the garden.


In rec.gardens archive in google, you should be able to find the
threads about their equivalent of council compost containing high

levels
of plant-toxic chemicals. These were supposed to have arrived on
clippings from treated lawns.


Do you know of anyone who, for this reason, does not use their own
grass cuttings either as a mulch or a compost ingredient?


As an extensive collector of other peoples' grass cuttings for my
mulches and compost, I don't accept contributions from anyone who uses
lawn weedkillers.

Janet.




Franz Heymann 03-07-2004 09:02 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in
message ...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains

these words:


"Janet Baraclough.." wrote

in
message ...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains

these words:

Nothing survives an well executed composting process My

Council
jollop looks as near to perfectly composted material as I have

ever
seen. Time will tell if it only looks good, or if it actually
benefits the garden.

In rec.gardens archive in google, you should be able to find

the
threads about their equivalent of council compost containing

high
levels
of plant-toxic chemicals. These were supposed to have arrived on
clippings from treated lawns.


Do you know of anyone who, for this reason, does not use their own
grass cuttings either as a mulch or a compost ingredient?


As an extensive collector of other peoples' grass cuttings for my
mulches and compost, I don't accept contributions from anyone who

uses
lawn weedkillers.


That sounds strict. Are you adhering to this rule because you have
had some bad experience in the past srising from the use of
contaminated grass cuttings?

Franz



Franz Heymann 03-07-2004 09:02 PM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 

"Douglas" wrote in message
...

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Tumbleweed
writes

my council composts garden waste and makes it available for

free at
the
local dump.



Amersham council sell their and not too cheaply wither! Mind

you,
seeing
what people put in the compost I wouldn't want any. I can't

believe
that
ground elder and bindweed will be killed by simple composting

and
what
about the odd chunk of Japanese knotweed that some new gardener

might
not recognise?


Nothing survives an well executed composting process My Council
jollop looks as near to perfectly composted material as I have

ever
seen. Time will tell if it only looks good, or if it actually
benefits the garden.

Franz


******
Jollop?, I had a good smile at that one!. That word was said

occasionally
when I was a child, by my Dad when referring to the diaphorryo the

poor
footsloggers in the WW1 trenches suffered. Actually the word is

jalap; A
purgative drug derived from the tuberous roots of a Mexican

climbing
plant., - ( Spanish, Ipomoea , family Convolvulaceae.); It was the

only
military answer to constipation and it was said it was not usually

required
just before they went over the top..
He was better off in WW2, - he was a Flight Louie in the R.A.F.

Training
Command and the Officers Mess was not short of a loo or three..


My father used to say that he learnt the word when he was a child in a
concentration camp in the anglo-boer war. But he referred to it as
"janlap".

Franz



gary davis 06-07-2004 08:02 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
On 7/1/04 6:03 AM, in article ,
"Janet Baraclough.." wrote:

The message
from Kay contains these words:


Come to that, what else should one do with them? If you don't want them
in your compost, then there aren't many alternatives. You can't put them
in the dustbin, it isn't particularly desirable to burn them, and I'm
not sure whetehr they're any better for landfill


Put them in a wormbin. That's what I do with couch grass. Nothing
survives being eaten by worms :-)

Janet.

Worm Power!! Yes! 24-7....:)


gary davis 06-07-2004 08:02 AM

Garden waste recycled as compost by local councils
 
Xref: kermit uk.rec.gardening:255257

On 7/1/04 1:07 PM, in article ,
"Janet Baraclough.." wrote:

The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:


"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in
message ...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains

these words:

Nothing survives an well executed composting process My Council
jollop looks as near to perfectly composted material as I have

ever
seen. Time will tell if it only looks good, or if it actually
benefits the garden.

In rec.gardens archive in google, you should be able to find the
threads about their equivalent of council compost containing high

levels
of plant-toxic chemicals. These were supposed to have arrived on
clippings from treated lawns.


Do you know of anyone who, for this reason, does not use their own
grass cuttings either as a mulch or a compost ingredient?


As an extensive collector of other peoples' grass cuttings for my
mulches and compost, I don't accept contributions from anyone who uses
lawn weedkillers.

Janet.

I, too, say thanks but no thanks.
Gary



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