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Tumbleweed 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
cats

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Just Molly 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
lobelia and red salvias.



nambucca 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

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"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
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All my newly composted beds covered by the rubbish next door trims of his
b****y conifers



Robert 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

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"Just Molly" wrote in message
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: I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they
are.
: I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
: lobelia and red salvias.
:
Carrot fly, cabbage root fly and cabbage club root disease



Just Molly 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

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"Robert" wrote in message
...

"Just Molly" wrote in message
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: I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they
are.
: I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and

white
: lobelia and red salvias.
:
Carrot fly, cabbage root fly and cabbage club root disease


Hmmm, this isn't working very well is it? I didn't really mean what garden
pests don't you like as nobody likes garden pests. I *meant* what garden
features or plant do you dislike. You know how you drive past a garden and
think, oh that's just *awful* to look at. or bloody hell how naff, or My god
are they *colour blind*!



Ian Cox 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:48:11 +0100, Just Molly wrote:


Hmmm, this isn't working very well is it? I didn't really mean what garden
pests don't you like as nobody likes garden pests. I *meant* what garden
features or plant do you dislike. You know how you drive past a garden and
think, oh that's just *awful* to look at. or bloody hell how naff, or My god
are they *colour blind*!


OK, how about 40ft. monkey puzzle trees growing smack in front of a
window?

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Sutton-in-Ashfield
icq 116510696
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Just Molly 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 

"Ian Cox" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:48:11 +0100, Just Molly wrote:


Hmmm, this isn't working very well is it? I didn't really mean what

garden
pests don't you like as nobody likes garden pests. I *meant* what garden
features or plant do you dislike. You know how you drive past a garden

and
think, oh that's just *awful* to look at. or bloody hell how naff, or My

god
are they *colour blind*!


OK, how about 40ft. monkey puzzle trees growing smack in front of a
window?

Thass the sorta thing I meant :0)



Kay 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
In article Z51Dc.78$6r.32@newsfe2-win, Just Molly
writes


Hmmm, this isn't working very well is it? I didn't really mean what garden
pests don't you like as nobody likes garden pests. I *meant* what garden
features or plant do you dislike. You know how you drive past a garden and
think, oh that's just *awful* to look at. or bloody hell how naff, or My god
are they *colour blind*!


Brightly coloured perennials and annuals set out in ranks against a
background of bare soil.

I don't think I think 'how awful' or 'naff' or 'are they colour blind' -
it's just that that style of gardening leaves me cold.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Brian 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 

"Just Molly" wrote in message
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I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they

are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
lobelia and red salvias.


----------------------
Any and every plant that looks better, healthier and more gorgeous in
others' gardens than mine!! But wait until next year~~I tell myself!!
Best Wishes Brian





Peter Crosland 26-06-2004 11:53 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
Decking!



Klara 26-06-2004 11:54 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
In message , Kay
writes
Brightly coloured perennials and annuals set out in ranks against a
background of bare soil.

I don't think I think 'how awful' or 'naff' or 'are they colour blind'
- it's just that that style of gardening leaves me cold.


Yes! Especially red/blue/yellow combinations!

I also really don't like variegated leaved plants, especially variegated
with yellow or bright green, with cerise or purple or pink flowers - or
almost with any flowers except white ones.

--
Klara, Gatwick basin

Kay 26-06-2004 11:54 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
In article , Klara
writes
In message , Kay
writes
Brightly coloured perennials and annuals set out in ranks against a
background of bare soil.

I don't think I think 'how awful' or 'naff' or 'are they colour blind'
- it's just that that style of gardening leaves me cold.


Yes! Especially red/blue/yellow combinations!

I also really don't like variegated leaved plants, especially variegated
with yellow or bright green, with cerise or purple or pink flowers - or
almost with any flowers except white ones.

Spotted laurel
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Dave Poole 26-06-2004 11:54 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Kay
wrote:

I don't think I think 'how awful' or 'naff' or 'are they colour blind'
- it's just that that style of gardening leaves me cold.


Yes! Especially red/blue/yellow combinations!

I also really don't like variegated leaved plants, especially variegated
with yellow or bright green, with cerise or purple or pink flowers - or
almost with any flowers except white ones.

Spotted laurel


Any shrubby Potentilla, any Hypericum apart from 'Rowallane', shrubby
Cotoneasters (esp. and including horizontalis and the myriad,
desperately dull forms of microphyllus), hybrid tea roses and Salix
caprea 'Pendula' (Kilmarnock willow). Oh and I forgot, add to this,
large exhibition type Dahlias & Chrysanths and the big flowered (Edna
Everage type!) gladioli.


Dave Poole
Torquay, Coastal South Devon UK
Winter min -2°C. Summer max 34°C.
Growing season: March - November
Drop 's' when mailing

Brian Watson 26-06-2004 11:54 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 

"Just Molly" wrote in message
news:Nw0Dc.68$6r.49@newsfe2-win...
I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they

are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
lobelia and red salvias.


I have taken up all my lawns as I no longer see the point of growing work.

I have an intense antipathy to ivy, but am winning on that front at the
moment, and bindweed comes a close second.

:-)
--
Brian
"When all about you is crumbling, when the arse is falling out of your
world, you need to focus on something positive in your life. Something you
can control, improve even."



Brian Watson 26-06-2004 11:54 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 

"Just Molly" wrote in message
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Hmmm, this isn't working very well is it? I didn't really mean what

garden
pests don't you like as nobody likes garden pests. I *meant* what garden
features or plant do you dislike. You know how you drive past a garden and
think, oh that's just *awful* to look at. or bloody hell how naff, or My

god
are they *colour blind*!


OK. "A few gnomes."

One gnome - good (it's ironic, damnit).
A few gnomes - naff as can be, what can they be thinking of?
A garden full of gnomes - the owner is plainly a fine example of an English
eccentric who should be respected as such.
--
Brian
"Happy St George's Day. It either is, just was, or soon will be."



Chris Hogg 26-06-2004 11:54 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:08:30 +0100, "Just Molly"
wrote:

I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
lobelia and red salvias.

Gnomes


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Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

PK 26-06-2004 11:55 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
Just Molly wrote:
I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for
they are. I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating
blue and white lobelia and red salvias.


other peoples cats!

pk



Rod 26-06-2004 11:55 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:08:30 +0100, "Just Molly"
wrote:

I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
lobelia and red salvias.

Decking, mutilated trees and exessive statuary or other non-living
ornamentation - especially cheap nasty pastiche, small scale
imitations of the exesses of the wealthy are always tacky. Oh, and
anything 'fashionable' a garden should transcend passing fads. Notice
I haven't mentioned any plants - most have their place somewhere
though there's a lot I wouldn't choose to grow. I reserve the right
to dislike or even hate the way they get used sometimes though.
Rod

Weed my address to reply

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dave @ stejonda 26-06-2004 11:55 AM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
In message Nw0Dc.68$6r.49@newsfe2-win, Just Molly
writes
I hate lawns.


I've just been pulling off yet more plain branches from a supposedly
variegated shrub which as soon as it left the nursery decided it was
time to revert to its true colour. :(((


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Sacha 26-06-2004 01:04 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On 26/6/04 4:46, in article ,
"Dave Poole" wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Kay
wrote:

I don't think I think 'how awful' or 'naff' or 'are they colour blind'
- it's just that that style of gardening leaves me cold.

Yes! Especially red/blue/yellow combinations!

I also really don't like variegated leaved plants, especially variegated
with yellow or bright green, with cerise or purple or pink flowers - or
almost with any flowers except white ones.

Spotted laurel


Any shrubby Potentilla, any Hypericum apart from 'Rowallane', shrubby
Cotoneasters (esp. and including horizontalis and the myriad,
desperately dull forms of microphyllus), hybrid tea roses and Salix
caprea 'Pendula' (Kilmarnock willow). Oh and I forgot, add to this,
large exhibition type Dahlias & Chrysanths and the big flowered (Edna
Everage type!) gladioli.


Forsythia, bizzy lizzies, annual salvias, Calceolarias, 'cute' garden
ornaments, ditto the Chrysanths and EE glads, (though I have a fondness for
some Dahlias) Cupressus leylandii, not mad about marigolds, monkey puzzle
trees.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)


Klara 26-06-2004 01:08 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
In message , Sacha
writes
On 26/6/04 4:46, in article ,
"Dave Poole" wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Kay
wrote:

I don't think I think 'how awful' or 'naff' or 'are they colour blind'
- it's just that that style of gardening leaves me cold.

Yes! Especially red/blue/yellow combinations!

I also really don't like variegated leaved plants, especially variegated
with yellow or bright green, with cerise or purple or pink flowers - or
almost with any flowers except white ones.

Spotted laurel


Any shrubby Potentilla, any Hypericum apart from 'Rowallane', shrubby
Cotoneasters (esp. and including horizontalis and the myriad,
desperately dull forms of microphyllus), hybrid tea roses and Salix
caprea 'Pendula' (Kilmarnock willow). Oh and I forgot, add to this,
large exhibition type Dahlias & Chrysanths and the big flowered (Edna
Everage type!) gladioli.


Forsythia, bizzy lizzies, annual salvias, Calceolarias, 'cute' garden
ornaments, ditto the Chrysanths and EE glads, (though I have a fondness for
some Dahlias) Cupressus leylandii, not mad about marigolds, monkey puzzle
trees.


Cannas - I'm not sure why ...
--
Klara, Gatwick basin

Ian Cox 26-06-2004 01:10 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:08:30 +0100, Just Molly wrote:

I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
lobelia and red salvias.


An old workmate of mine had loads of plastic flowers in his back
garden.

Yuk! :O}

--
Ian Cox
Sutton-in-Ashfield
icq 116510696
Remove my hat to email me.

Klara 26-06-2004 01:11 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
In message , Ian Cox
writes
An old workmate of mine had loads of plastic flowers in his back
garden.

Yuk! :O}


Didn't Richard Nixon 'improve' the White House garden with the addition
of lots of plastic rhododendrons?

--
Klara, Gatwick basin

Kay 26-06-2004 03:18 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
In article , Dave Poole
writes

Any shrubby Potentilla, any Hypericum apart from 'Rowallane', shrubby
Cotoneasters (esp. and including horizontalis and the myriad,
desperately dull forms of microphyllus), hybrid tea roses and Salix
caprea 'Pendula' (Kilmarnock willow). Oh and I forgot, add to this,
large exhibition type Dahlias & Chrysanths and the big flowered (Edna
Everage type!) gladioli.

Now your style of gardening is very different from mine, and yet I share
all those hates!

I wonder whether in fact we're doing the same thing but with different
palettes - you are creating a jungle paradise with tender plants and
choice species, I am creating a jungle (less of the paradise) with
native plants and with species that flourish in shady wet clay and slug
heaven.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Kay 26-06-2004 03:19 PM

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In article , Brian Watson
writes

"Just Molly" wrote in message
news:Nw0Dc.68$6r.49@newsfe2-win...
I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they

are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
lobelia and red salvias.


I have taken up all my lawns as I no longer see the point of growing work.

I have an intense antipathy to ivy, but am winning on that front at the
moment, and bindweed comes a close second.

Oh, bindweed's OK, especially if you are lucky enough to have the one
with big pink striped flowers instead of white. And it's very satisfying
to pull out whole tangled ropes of it.

The little scented pink bindweed is lovely.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Dave Poole 26-06-2004 04:11 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
Kay wrote:

Now your style of gardening is very different from mine, and yet I share
all those hates!

I wonder whether in fact we're doing the same thing but with different
palettes - you are creating a jungle paradise with tender plants and
choice species, I am creating a jungle (less of the paradise) with
native plants and with species that flourish in shady wet clay and slug
heaven.


I suspect we are doing much the same Kay. I love the jungly, lush,
slightly unkempt look where bold and interesting, 'in-yer-face' plants
reign supreme. I loathe prissy, bitty plantings and typical municipal
schemes (muncipal screams - a term I inadvertently coined after a few
pints!) using ubiquitous plants. Ironically, I also like very well
executed formal gardens, but they have to have the 'tropical look' to
get my wholehearted approval.

To give you an idea; I yearn to have a garden where I can have a very
long (120ft. plus, wide, canal-like pool, set within an avenue of
tall, trunked palms such as Phoenix or even Rhopalostylis, these
underplanted just one variety/species of Hedychium or Canna. The
whole would be surrounded with perfect, tightly mown turf, but at the
edges, informal mixed herbaceous-style borders stuffed with all manner
of exotics. The climate in the far south can support this, but cost
of a property in the right spot with the right amount of land would be
desperately prohibitive.

Dave Poole
Torquay, Coastal South Devon UK
Winter min -2°C. Summer max 34°C.
Growing season: March - November
Drop 's' when mailing

Franz Heymann 26-06-2004 04:15 PM

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"Just Molly" wrote in message
news:Nw0Dc.68$6r.49@newsfe2-win...
I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for

they are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and

white
lobelia and red salvias.


Agreed. Add decking, fencing painted in saturated colours and gaily
painted baubles on sticks

Franz



Tumbleweed 26-06-2004 05:10 PM

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"Just Molly" wrote in message
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"Robert" wrote in message
...

"Just Molly" wrote in message
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: I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they
are.
: I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and

white
: lobelia and red salvias.
:
Carrot fly, cabbage root fly and cabbage club root disease


Hmmm, this isn't working very well is it? I didn't really mean what

garden
pests don't you like as nobody likes garden pests. I *meant* what garden
features or plant do you dislike. You know how you drive past a garden and
think, oh that's just *awful* to look at. or bloody hell how naff, or My

god
are they *colour blind*!


You said what are your garden PET (my emphasis) hates
:-)

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Sue 26-06-2004 05:14 PM

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I have a small garden so my pet hate is bare soil!

Sue

"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
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cats

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Janet Baraclough 26-06-2004 06:09 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 

Plastic. Including white and "terracotta" plastic planters, brightly
coloured plastic toys, plastic furniture and fences, plastic plates on
the plastic table, plastic mini-marquees. Plastic raincovers on plastic
or wooden garden furniture. Plastic herons, plastic gnomes, plastic
bunnies, plastic foxes, plastic ducks, plastic ponds with the plastic
showing...

Janet.

Brian Watson 26-06-2004 06:09 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 

"Kay" wrote in message
...

Oh, bindweed's OK, especially if you are lucky enough to have the one
with big pink striped flowers instead of white. And it's very satisfying
to pull out whole tangled ropes of it.


And half your flippin' planting comes with it! No thank you.

The little scented pink bindweed is lovely.


Grrr.

:-)
--
Brian
"I know about kittens and knitting. Will that do?"



Joanne 26-06-2004 07:10 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
Plastic. Including white and "terracotta" plastic planters, brightly
coloured plastic toys, plastic furniture and fences, plastic plates on
the plastic table, plastic mini-marquees. Plastic raincovers on plastic
or wooden garden furniture. Plastic herons, plastic gnomes, plastic
bunnies, plastic foxes, plastic ducks, plastic ponds with the plastic
showing...



Oi, I resemble your remarks :) :) My hubbie works at a plastics factory so
the more plastic that's used the longer he keeps his job :) :) And some of
the new plastic "terracotta" pots are so realistic that one has to knock on
them to see if they're real or not. And I sheepishly have to admit to a
plastic gnome (oh dear, I see your point!), and when I fell over at my
barbecue the other week and smashed my china plate (no, I hadn't been
drinking), I wished I'd had a plastic one instead !!!!!

My pet hates are bedding plants, particularly begonias, pelargoniums and
bizzie-lizzies, all neatly spaced out in regimented rows in narrow borders
around a neat, square lawn. I like bedding plants, but not used in an
orderly fashion, and I admire such gardens because they do look colourful
throughout the summer, but I prefer a more haphazard style (in my personal
appearance and housekeeping, as well as in my garden)!!




VivienB 26-06-2004 07:11 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:23:42 +0100, Klara wrote:

I don't think I think 'how awful' or 'naff' or 'are they colour blind'
- it's just that that style of gardening leaves me cold.


Yes! Especially red/blue/yellow combinations!


Oh no - cerise/orange/bright purple is far worse!

Regards, VivienB

VivienB 26-06-2004 07:12 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:08:30 +0100, "Just Molly"
wrote:

I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
lobelia and red salvias.

A 'gardener' who uses hedge trimmers to cut every single shrub in a
largish garden (not ours - he wouldn't have lived another day if he
did this here!) into the same 'hot air balloon' shape, all at the same
time, regardless of spring/summer flowering, etc. I especially hate
him for doing this to what was a lovely Amelanchier, one of my
favourite shrubs.

Regards, VivienB

Just Molly 26-06-2004 08:06 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 

"VivienB" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:08:30 +0100, "Just Molly"
wrote:

I hate lawns. Huge expanses of nothingness however well cared for they

are.
I also hate neatly cut edges and borders with alternating blue and white
lobelia and red salvias.

A 'gardener' who uses hedge trimmers to cut every single shrub in a
largish garden (not ours - he wouldn't have lived another day if he
did this here!) into the same 'hot air balloon' shape, all at the same
time, regardless of spring/summer flowering, etc. I especially hate
him for doing this to what was a lovely Amelanchier, one of my
favourite shrubs.

Regards, VivienB

And I HATE that red cedar (bright orange) wood stain. Especially if the
shed, fence, gate and decking is all done in the same nasty garish colour.



Janet Baraclough 26-06-2004 09:07 PM

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The message gWhDc.104$%m5.81@newsfe4-gui
from "Sue" contains these words:

I have a small garden so my pet hate is bare soil!


That's okay Sue..bare soil in a large garden is even more horrible ;-)

Janet

Dvd 26-06-2004 09:13 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
So fond of this quote, even though I haven't achieved it.



Annihilating all that's made

To a green thought

in a green shade.



Andrew Marvell



Peter 26-06-2004 09:13 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:20:45 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

On 26/6/04 4:46, in article ,
"Dave Poole" wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Kay
wrote:

I don't think I think 'how awful' or 'naff' or 'are they colour blind'
- it's just that that style of gardening leaves me cold.

Snip

Forsythia, bizzy lizzies, annual salvias, Calceolarias, 'cute' garden
ornaments, ditto the Chrysanths and EE glads, (though I have a fondness for
some Dahlias) Cupressus leylandii, not mad about marigolds, monkey puzzle
trees.


Please do not be too hard on Leylandii! Cut off the trunk about 18
inches shorter than the final height required, then cut twice a
year. This gives a pretty good hedge quickly.

The Leylandii problem is largely one of the owners, not the plants.

Peter.


[email protected] 26-06-2004 09:15 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:56:44 +0100, Kay
wrote:


Spotted laurel
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

Oh, I think it has a place. It's got one in my garden anyway. I prefer
it to fences. I have tried for years to cover all ours. You would all
probably dislike many of the plants in my garden, a lot of which are
from the sweepings of the HPS, or some I actually chose like Phlomis
and Evening Primrose. Now I've got a pile of Echium seedlings - the
ones that grow very tall with blue flowers in the second year.
They are a result of an offer I couldn't refuse in The Times. Got a
lot of Aconite too and they never look right and the Gardener's
garters and leathery leaved ivy are going berserk again.
But there's not much soil to be seen,
Diana


Kay 26-06-2004 10:09 PM

what are your garden pet hates?
 
In article ,
writes

Oh, I think it has a place. It's got one in my garden anyway. I prefer
it to fences. I have tried for years to cover all ours. You would all
probably dislike many of the plants in my garden,


Why do you think that? None of the ones you mention are in the least
like spotted laurel ;-)

a lot of which are
from the sweepings of the HPS, or some I actually chose like Phlomis
and Evening Primrose. Now I've got a pile of Echium seedlings - the
ones that grow very tall with blue flowers in the second year.
They are a result of an offer I couldn't refuse in The Times. Got a
lot of Aconite too and they never look right and the Gardener's
garters and leathery leaved ivy are going berserk again.
But there's not much soil to be seen,


--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"



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