WAsps, wasps and more wasps
atwifa wrote:
They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers cope? Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the blighters? just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that): but i've never come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests. it's always seemed to me like killing all the lions on the plain. they're important predators, and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm around them. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You reckon so? You're lucky. I've been stung without deliberate provocation on a couple of occasions. Once when our dog was stung, jumped sideways, and knocked me over near the nest (talk about bad luck). Most recently when a wasp that crawled under my shirt collar without my noticing took offence at the constriction when I moved. Within ten minutes I was white and shaking so badly I had to sit down. I'm not allergic to many things, but if I'm ever stung again I'm heading straight for A&E. I tolerate -- just -- individual wasps in the garden, but show no mercy to queens hunting for nest sites. A wasp in the house is a dead wasp. regards sarah -- NB. Note change of *usenet* email address: 'amitiel.demon.do.uk' will soon cease to function. My other email address will remain valid. Think of it as evolution in action :-) |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
"Bigus" wrote in message ... "atwifa" wrote in message ... if you really want to defend your crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are readily available. speaking of deterrents, are there any good ones that don't involve using chemicals? What is it that you want to deter? Playing the bagpipes might deter some unwanted visitors.. Franz |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
"Bigus" wrote in message ... "atwifa" wrote in message ... if you really want to defend your crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are readily available. speaking of deterrents, are there any good ones that don't involve using chemicals? What is it that you want to deter? Playing the bagpipes might deter some unwanted visitors.. Franz |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
atwifa said "...just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that):
but i've never come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests. it's always seemed to me like killing all the lions on the plain. they're important predators, and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm around them......." All I can say is What a load of pretentious nonsense If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even more unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be life threatening, then you do all to remove any chance. If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding it .or of getting your house full of wasps. When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice. They have to go P.S. If you have a man eating Lion, then you remove that Lion and don't try to kill all the Lions on the plain. David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
atwifa said "...just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that):
but i've never come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests. it's always seemed to me like killing all the lions on the plain. they're important predators, and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm around them......." All I can say is What a load of pretentious nonsense If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even more unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be life threatening, then you do all to remove any chance. If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding it .or of getting your house full of wasps. When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice. They have to go P.S. If you have a man eating Lion, then you remove that Lion and don't try to kill all the Lions on the plain. David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even more
unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be life threatening, then you do all to remove any chance. If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding it .or of getting your house full of wasps. When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice. my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from stings than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the proportion of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true, surely? which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and an allergenic) had the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? i'm not making light of the situation by asking, i'm just curious. |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even more
unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be life threatening, then you do all to remove any chance. If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding it .or of getting your house full of wasps. When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice. my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from stings than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the proportion of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true, surely? which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and an allergenic) had the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? i'm not making light of the situation by asking, i'm just curious. |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
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6.00.2800.1437 and still not have properly formatted messages. Do you deliberately delete the and and ... ? ............" I use it as I find convenient. And ........ I don't repeat miles of previous posts just to add a few words at the end . Remember if my postings are so offensive to your sensibilities then you can easily Black list me. I am here for garden related topics, and as others have already said, we are not here for corrections to style, grammar, spelling or other things not related to gardening / plants. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
Martin asked ".........How do you use Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2800.1437 and still not have properly formatted messages. Do you deliberately delete the and and ... ? ............" I use it as I find convenient. And ........ I don't repeat miles of previous posts just to add a few words at the end . Remember if my postings are so offensive to your sensibilities then you can easily Black list me. I am here for garden related topics, and as others have already said, we are not here for corrections to style, grammar, spelling or other things not related to gardening / plants. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
atwife asked ".... which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and
an allergenic) had the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? I'm not making light of the situation by asking, I'm just curious ........" If the wasps are not bothering me and mine then live and let live, About 4 years ago we had a beautiful wasps nest in a large Viburnam Placatum ... it was out of the way so it stayed. I had hoped to have the nest at the end of the year, but after 4 nights of frost, and no sign of any wasps for 3 days I was planning to cut it down the next morning. All that night we had heavy rain, in the morning, just a pile of soggy pulp. This is an interesting piece about wasps http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/...ite/wasp.shtml -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
atwife asked ".... which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and
an allergenic) had the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? I'm not making light of the situation by asking, I'm just curious ........" If the wasps are not bothering me and mine then live and let live, About 4 years ago we had a beautiful wasps nest in a large Viburnam Placatum ... it was out of the way so it stayed. I had hoped to have the nest at the end of the year, but after 4 nights of frost, and no sign of any wasps for 3 days I was planning to cut it down the next morning. All that night we had heavy rain, in the morning, just a pile of soggy pulp. This is an interesting piece about wasps http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/...ite/wasp.shtml -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
"atwifa" wrote in message ... my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from stings than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the proportion of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true, surely? which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and an allergenic) had the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? i'm not making light of the situation by asking, i'm just curious. I am both gardner and possibly allergenic - my mother is, and I usually get what she gets in spades. I have never been stung and I don't plan to try. I have had a severe allergic reaction to another allergen and ended up in the a&e so - don't want to test it out ! Would I wipe out wasps totally ? Of course not. If there is one in the house I shoo it out or kill it if it won't go, if I am alone, or run like hell if I am accompanied and let someone else deal with it. Outside I avoid wasps and places where they might be. I have been chased out of the garden (well, I have decided to come indoors, really, rather than being physically chased) many times. A hornet came down my chimney earlier this year and I was terrified because I'd never seen one before and didn't know they're not the evil aggressive things they are made out to be. But I recognise the place all creatures have in the world and just stay away from the ones that might cause me harm. But if I was locked in a room with a wasp I'd kill it, or if there was a nest in my garden I would get it removed pronto. No sense in putting yourself at risk unnecessarily. An allergic person removing their immediate wasp threats is just another part of the natural order of things really - but that isn't the same as wiping out the whole species. Just in case you wanted replies from all allergenics, not just the OP. Rachael |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
"atwifa" wrote in message ... my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from stings than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the proportion of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true, surely? which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and an allergenic) had the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? i'm not making light of the situation by asking, i'm just curious. I am both gardner and possibly allergenic - my mother is, and I usually get what she gets in spades. I have never been stung and I don't plan to try. I have had a severe allergic reaction to another allergen and ended up in the a&e so - don't want to test it out ! Would I wipe out wasps totally ? Of course not. If there is one in the house I shoo it out or kill it if it won't go, if I am alone, or run like hell if I am accompanied and let someone else deal with it. Outside I avoid wasps and places where they might be. I have been chased out of the garden (well, I have decided to come indoors, really, rather than being physically chased) many times. A hornet came down my chimney earlier this year and I was terrified because I'd never seen one before and didn't know they're not the evil aggressive things they are made out to be. But I recognise the place all creatures have in the world and just stay away from the ones that might cause me harm. But if I was locked in a room with a wasp I'd kill it, or if there was a nest in my garden I would get it removed pronto. No sense in putting yourself at risk unnecessarily. An allergic person removing their immediate wasp threats is just another part of the natural order of things really - but that isn't the same as wiping out the whole species. Just in case you wanted replies from all allergenics, not just the OP. Rachael |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
"Broadback" wrote in message ... This year the wasps here are more numerous than I have ever seen. I was looking forward to my first taste of apples this year, no way, the wasps have had the lot. You risk life and limb picking the raspberries, they are half way through my plums. They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers cope? Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the blighters? I can't say I have noticed this. Our raspberrys have been picked without hinderance, our apples are ripening nicely, we will soon be picking un-wasped damsons and our (very small) peach tree has given us three perfect peaches. In case you are wondering, we are totally organic, spray nothing and let wasps go about their business as far as possible. Perhaps the problem is just local to you? best wishes Tom (S/W Essex) |
WAsps, wasps and more wasps
"Broadback" wrote in message ... This year the wasps here are more numerous than I have ever seen. I was looking forward to my first taste of apples this year, no way, the wasps have had the lot. You risk life and limb picking the raspberries, they are half way through my plums. They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers cope? Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the blighters? I can't say I have noticed this. Our raspberrys have been picked without hinderance, our apples are ripening nicely, we will soon be picking un-wasped damsons and our (very small) peach tree has given us three perfect peaches. In case you are wondering, we are totally organic, spray nothing and let wasps go about their business as far as possible. Perhaps the problem is just local to you? best wishes Tom (S/W Essex) |
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