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Broadback 02-08-2004 04:52 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
This year the wasps here are more numerous than I have ever seen. I was
looking forward to my first taste of apples this year, no way, the wasps
have had the lot. You risk life and limb picking the raspberries, they
are half way through my plums.

They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers
cope? Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the
blighters?
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David W.E. Roberts 02-08-2004 09:16 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

"Broadback" wrote in message
...
This year the wasps here are more numerous than I have ever seen. I was
looking forward to my first taste of apples this year, no way, the wasps
have had the lot. You risk life and limb picking the raspberries, they
are half way through my plums.

They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers
cope? Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the
blighters?


Control is by destroying wasps nests.
Next door has had one done, and I have just had a go at the second because
the entrance was accesible from our side.
With all due deference to those who point out that wasps are a generally
good thing on balance, if they get to be a nuisance or a pest which destroys
fruit&veg then war must sometimes be declared.

In our case their entrance was near to our balcony, so every time we try to
eat or drink there we have uninvited guests, and they have also started to
invade the house.

RIP (I hope).

Unlikely to dent the main wasp population, just make one small area more
habitable.

Cheers
Dave R



David W.E. Roberts 02-08-2004 09:16 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

"Broadback" wrote in message
...
This year the wasps here are more numerous than I have ever seen. I was
looking forward to my first taste of apples this year, no way, the wasps
have had the lot. You risk life and limb picking the raspberries, they
are half way through my plums.

They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers
cope? Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the
blighters?


Control is by destroying wasps nests.
Next door has had one done, and I have just had a go at the second because
the entrance was accesible from our side.
With all due deference to those who point out that wasps are a generally
good thing on balance, if they get to be a nuisance or a pest which destroys
fruit&veg then war must sometimes be declared.

In our case their entrance was near to our balcony, so every time we try to
eat or drink there we have uninvited guests, and they have also started to
invade the house.

RIP (I hope).

Unlikely to dent the main wasp population, just make one small area more
habitable.

Cheers
Dave R



Dave Poole 02-08-2004 10:08 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:16:47 +0100, "David W.E. Roberts"
wrote:

Control is by destroying wasps nests.
Next door has had one done, and I have just had a go at the second because
the entrance was accesible from our side.
With all due deference to those who point out that wasps are a generally
good thing on balance, if they get to be a nuisance or a pest which destroys
fruit&veg then war must sometimes be declared.


With extreme reluctance, I had to call in Pest Control to deal with 2
nests that were too close to our car-parking area. Most years, wasps
become troublesome and dangerous in late summer. Not so this year,
they started dive-bombing and threatening last week. Personally, I
suffer pain only from wasp stings, but any of my students may suffer
far worse and the thought of one going into anaphylaxic shock as a
result of a sting is far too serious to consider.
Dave Poole
Torquay, Coastal South Devon UK
Winter min -2°C. Summer max 34°C.
Growing season: March - November

Lazarus Cooke 02-08-2004 10:10 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
In article , David W.E. Roberts
wrote:


Control is by destroying wasps nests.


I've been following a discussion about this on a beekeeping network (I
have a hive at the end of my Brixton garden. Wasps predate on bees).

It can be nasty if you break into a nest unprotected. An ingenious
solution is to leave a vacuum cleaner running sucking at the entrance.

Be careful when emptying the bag, though.

Lazarus

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Lazarus Cooke 02-08-2004 10:10 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
In article , David W.E. Roberts
wrote:


Control is by destroying wasps nests.


I've been following a discussion about this on a beekeeping network (I
have a hive at the end of my Brixton garden. Wasps predate on bees).

It can be nasty if you break into a nest unprotected. An ingenious
solution is to leave a vacuum cleaner running sucking at the entrance.

Be careful when emptying the bag, though.

Lazarus

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Stephen Howard 02-08-2004 11:01 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:10:43 +0100, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

In article , David W.E. Roberts
wrote:


Control is by destroying wasps nests.


I've been following a discussion about this on a beekeeping network (I
have a hive at the end of my Brixton garden. Wasps predate on bees).


Indeed they do.
I had a small colony of bees above my back door. These were a third
smaller than honey bees - and I was quite content to leave them
be...and then a few days later I spotted wasps coming out of the hive
entrance. No more bees.

I dosed them up with Nippon, and barely an hour later everything was
quiet.

Regards,




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http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

Stephen Howard 02-08-2004 11:01 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:10:43 +0100, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

In article , David W.E. Roberts
wrote:


Control is by destroying wasps nests.


I've been following a discussion about this on a beekeeping network (I
have a hive at the end of my Brixton garden. Wasps predate on bees).


Indeed they do.
I had a small colony of bees above my back door. These were a third
smaller than honey bees - and I was quite content to leave them
be...and then a few days later I spotted wasps coming out of the hive
entrance. No more bees.

I dosed them up with Nippon, and barely an hour later everything was
quiet.

Regards,




--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

David Hill 02-08-2004 11:15 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
I had a nest in a mouse hole in grass I had to cut, so tried 3 of the
"Sheds" to get Wasp Killer
B&Q only had a fly and wasp killer foam, instructions were to find the nest
then spray well with foam......I'm still looking for the fly's nest.
another told me they only sold wasp killer in season.that is from Sept.
onwards.
Finally got powder from Wilkinson
You squirt the powder into the hole and the wasps take it all the way in for
you. You can hit the hole from 4 or 5 ft away and if you do it at dusk then
the wasps have finished flying for the day.


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





David Hill 02-08-2004 11:15 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
I had a nest in a mouse hole in grass I had to cut, so tried 3 of the
"Sheds" to get Wasp Killer
B&Q only had a fly and wasp killer foam, instructions were to find the nest
then spray well with foam......I'm still looking for the fly's nest.
another told me they only sold wasp killer in season.that is from Sept.
onwards.
Finally got powder from Wilkinson
You squirt the powder into the hole and the wasps take it all the way in for
you. You can hit the hole from 4 or 5 ft away and if you do it at dusk then
the wasps have finished flying for the day.


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





atwifa 03-08-2004 07:34 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers cope?
Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the blighters?


just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that): but i've never
come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests. it's always seemed
to me like killing all the lions on the plain. they're important predators,
and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm around them.

i also find it hardly credible that they have taken *all* your apples ...
unless the tree is very small, that is. if you really want to defend your
crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are readily
available.

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atwifa 03-08-2004 07:34 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers cope?
Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the blighters?


just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that): but i've never
come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests. it's always seemed
to me like killing all the lions on the plain. they're important predators,
and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm around them.

i also find it hardly credible that they have taken *all* your apples ...
unless the tree is very small, that is. if you really want to defend your
crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are readily
available.

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Bigus 03-08-2004 01:29 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
"atwifa" wrote in message
...

if you really want to defend your
crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are readily
available.


speaking of deterrents, are there any good ones that don't involve using
chemicals?


Bigus 03-08-2004 01:29 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
"atwifa" wrote in message
...

if you really want to defend your
crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are readily
available.


speaking of deterrents, are there any good ones that don't involve using
chemicals?


sarah 03-08-2004 02:33 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
atwifa wrote:

They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers cope?
Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the blighters?


just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that): but i've never
come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests. it's always seemed
to me like killing all the lions on the plain. they're important predators,
and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm around them.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You reckon so? You're lucky. I've been stung without deliberate
provocation on a couple of occasions. Once when our dog was stung,
jumped sideways, and knocked me over near the nest (talk about bad
luck). Most recently when a wasp that crawled under my shirt collar
without my noticing took offence at the constriction when I moved.
Within ten minutes I was white and shaking so badly I had to sit down.
I'm not allergic to many things, but if I'm ever stung again I'm heading
straight for A&E. I tolerate -- just -- individual wasps in the garden,
but show no mercy to queens hunting for nest sites. A wasp in the house
is a dead wasp.

regards
sarah


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'amitiel.demon.do.uk' will soon cease to function.
My other email address will remain valid.
Think of it as evolution in action :-)

sarah 03-08-2004 02:33 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
atwifa wrote:

They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers cope?
Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the blighters?


just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that): but i've never
come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests. it's always seemed
to me like killing all the lions on the plain. they're important predators,
and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm around them.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You reckon so? You're lucky. I've been stung without deliberate
provocation on a couple of occasions. Once when our dog was stung,
jumped sideways, and knocked me over near the nest (talk about bad
luck). Most recently when a wasp that crawled under my shirt collar
without my noticing took offence at the constriction when I moved.
Within ten minutes I was white and shaking so badly I had to sit down.
I'm not allergic to many things, but if I'm ever stung again I'm heading
straight for A&E. I tolerate -- just -- individual wasps in the garden,
but show no mercy to queens hunting for nest sites. A wasp in the house
is a dead wasp.

regards
sarah


--
NB. Note change of *usenet* email address:
'amitiel.demon.do.uk' will soon cease to function.
My other email address will remain valid.
Think of it as evolution in action :-)

Franz Heymann 03-08-2004 02:52 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

"Bigus" wrote in message
...
"atwifa" wrote in message
...

if you really want to defend your
crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are

readily
available.


speaking of deterrents, are there any good ones that don't involve

using
chemicals?


What is it that you want to deter?
Playing the bagpipes might deter some unwanted visitors..

Franz




Franz Heymann 03-08-2004 02:52 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

"Bigus" wrote in message
...
"atwifa" wrote in message
...

if you really want to defend your
crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are

readily
available.


speaking of deterrents, are there any good ones that don't involve

using
chemicals?


What is it that you want to deter?
Playing the bagpipes might deter some unwanted visitors..

Franz




David Hill 03-08-2004 07:29 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
atwifa said "...just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that):
but i've never come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests. it's
always seemed to me like killing all the lions on the plain. they're
important predators, and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm
around them......."

All I can say is
What a load of pretentious nonsense

If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even more
unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be life
threatening, then you do all to remove any chance.
If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding it .or
of getting your house full of wasps.
When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice.

They have to go

P.S. If you have a man eating Lion, then you remove that Lion and don't try
to kill all the Lions on the plain.


David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





David Hill 03-08-2004 07:29 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
atwifa said "...just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that):
but i've never come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests. it's
always seemed to me like killing all the lions on the plain. they're
important predators, and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm
around them......."

All I can say is
What a load of pretentious nonsense

If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even more
unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be life
threatening, then you do all to remove any chance.
If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding it .or
of getting your house full of wasps.
When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice.

They have to go

P.S. If you have a man eating Lion, then you remove that Lion and don't try
to kill all the Lions on the plain.


David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





atwifa 03-08-2004 07:57 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even more
unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be life
threatening, then you do all to remove any chance.
If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding it .or
of getting your house full of wasps.
When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice.


my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from stings
than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the proportion
of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about
wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true,
surely?

which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and an allergenic) had
the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? i'm not making
light of the situation by asking, i'm just curious.






atwifa 03-08-2004 07:57 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even more
unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be life
threatening, then you do all to remove any chance.
If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding it .or
of getting your house full of wasps.
When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice.


my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from stings
than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the proportion
of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about
wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true,
surely?

which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and an allergenic) had
the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? i'm not making
light of the situation by asking, i'm just curious.






David Hill 03-08-2004 09:43 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
Martin asked ".........How do you use Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2800.1437 and still not have properly formatted messages. Do you
deliberately delete the and and ... ? ............"

I use it as I find convenient.
And ........
I don't repeat miles of previous posts just to add a few words at the end .

Remember if my postings are so offensive to your sensibilities then you can
easily Black list me.

I am here for garden related topics, and as others have already said, we are
not here for corrections to style, grammar, spelling or other things not
related to gardening / plants.


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





David Hill 03-08-2004 09:43 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
Martin asked ".........How do you use Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2800.1437 and still not have properly formatted messages. Do you
deliberately delete the and and ... ? ............"

I use it as I find convenient.
And ........
I don't repeat miles of previous posts just to add a few words at the end .

Remember if my postings are so offensive to your sensibilities then you can
easily Black list me.

I am here for garden related topics, and as others have already said, we are
not here for corrections to style, grammar, spelling or other things not
related to gardening / plants.


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





David Hill 03-08-2004 09:59 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
atwife asked ".... which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and
an allergenic) had the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it?
I'm not making light of the situation by asking, I'm just curious ........"

If the wasps are not bothering me and mine then live and let live,
About 4 years ago we had a beautiful wasps nest in a large Viburnam Placatum
... it was out of the way so it stayed.
I had hoped to have the nest at the end of the year, but after 4 nights of
frost, and no sign of any wasps for 3 days I was planning to cut it down the
next morning.
All that night we had heavy rain, in the morning, just a pile of soggy pulp.

This is an interesting piece about wasps
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/...ite/wasp.shtml
--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





David Hill 03-08-2004 09:59 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
atwife asked ".... which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and
an allergenic) had the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it?
I'm not making light of the situation by asking, I'm just curious ........"

If the wasps are not bothering me and mine then live and let live,
About 4 years ago we had a beautiful wasps nest in a large Viburnam Placatum
... it was out of the way so it stayed.
I had hoped to have the nest at the end of the year, but after 4 nights of
frost, and no sign of any wasps for 3 days I was planning to cut it down the
next morning.
All that night we had heavy rain, in the morning, just a pile of soggy pulp.

This is an interesting piece about wasps
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/...ite/wasp.shtml
--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





Rachael of Nex, the Wiccan Rat 03-08-2004 10:09 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

"atwifa" wrote in message
...

my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from

stings
than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the

proportion
of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about
wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true,
surely?

which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and an allergenic) had
the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? i'm not making
light of the situation by asking, i'm just curious.

I am both gardner and possibly allergenic - my mother is, and I usually get
what she gets in spades. I have never been stung and I don't plan to try. I
have had a severe allergic reaction to another allergen and ended up in the
a&e so - don't want to test it out !

Would I wipe out wasps totally ? Of course not. If there is one in the house
I shoo it out or kill it if it won't go, if I am alone, or run like hell if
I am accompanied and let someone else deal with it.
Outside I avoid wasps and places where they might be. I have been chased out
of the garden (well, I have decided to come indoors, really, rather than
being physically chased) many times.

A hornet came down my chimney earlier this year and I was terrified because
I'd never seen one before and didn't know they're not the evil aggressive
things they are made out to be. But I recognise the place all creatures have
in the world and just stay away from the ones that might cause me harm. But
if I was locked in a room with a wasp I'd kill it, or if there was a nest in
my garden I would get it removed pronto. No sense in putting yourself at
risk unnecessarily. An allergic person removing their immediate wasp threats
is just another part of the natural order of things really - but that isn't
the same as wiping out the whole species.


Just in case you wanted replies from all allergenics, not just the OP.



Rachael



Rachael of Nex, the Wiccan Rat 03-08-2004 10:09 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

"atwifa" wrote in message
...

my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from

stings
than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the

proportion
of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about
wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true,
surely?

which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and an allergenic) had
the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? i'm not making
light of the situation by asking, i'm just curious.

I am both gardner and possibly allergenic - my mother is, and I usually get
what she gets in spades. I have never been stung and I don't plan to try. I
have had a severe allergic reaction to another allergen and ended up in the
a&e so - don't want to test it out !

Would I wipe out wasps totally ? Of course not. If there is one in the house
I shoo it out or kill it if it won't go, if I am alone, or run like hell if
I am accompanied and let someone else deal with it.
Outside I avoid wasps and places where they might be. I have been chased out
of the garden (well, I have decided to come indoors, really, rather than
being physically chased) many times.

A hornet came down my chimney earlier this year and I was terrified because
I'd never seen one before and didn't know they're not the evil aggressive
things they are made out to be. But I recognise the place all creatures have
in the world and just stay away from the ones that might cause me harm. But
if I was locked in a room with a wasp I'd kill it, or if there was a nest in
my garden I would get it removed pronto. No sense in putting yourself at
risk unnecessarily. An allergic person removing their immediate wasp threats
is just another part of the natural order of things really - but that isn't
the same as wiping out the whole species.


Just in case you wanted replies from all allergenics, not just the OP.



Rachael



Tom Warner 04-08-2004 12:37 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

"Broadback" wrote in message
...
This year the wasps here are more numerous than I have ever seen. I was
looking forward to my first taste of apples this year, no way, the wasps
have had the lot. You risk life and limb picking the raspberries, they
are half way through my plums.

They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers
cope? Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the
blighters?


I can't say I have noticed this. Our raspberrys have been picked without
hinderance, our apples are ripening nicely, we will soon be picking
un-wasped damsons and our (very small) peach tree has given us three perfect
peaches.
In case you are wondering, we are totally organic, spray nothing and let
wasps go about their business as far as possible.
Perhaps the problem is just local to you?
best wishes
Tom (S/W Essex)



Tom Warner 04-08-2004 12:37 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

"Broadback" wrote in message
...
This year the wasps here are more numerous than I have ever seen. I was
looking forward to my first taste of apples this year, no way, the wasps
have had the lot. You risk life and limb picking the raspberries, they
are half way through my plums.

They have not started yet on my peaches. How do commercial growers
cope? Is there anything that can be done to protect fruit from the
blighters?


I can't say I have noticed this. Our raspberrys have been picked without
hinderance, our apples are ripening nicely, we will soon be picking
un-wasped damsons and our (very small) peach tree has given us three perfect
peaches.
In case you are wondering, we are totally organic, spray nothing and let
wasps go about their business as far as possible.
Perhaps the problem is just local to you?
best wishes
Tom (S/W Essex)



Franz Heymann 04-08-2004 09:54 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:29:55 +0100, "David Hill"
wrote:

atwifa said "...just a general point (and likely a contentious one

at that):
but i've never come across a good reason for destroying wasps'

nests. it's
always seemed to me like killing all the lions on the plain.

they're
important predators, and you need to be somewhat witless to come to

any harm
around them......."

All I can say is
What a load of pretentious nonsense

If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even

more
unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be

life
threatening, then you do all to remove any chance.
If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding

it .or
of getting your house full of wasps.
When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice.

They have to go

P.S. If you have a man eating Lion, then you remove that Lion and

don't try
to kill all the Lions on the plain.


How do you use Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 and still

not
have properly formatted messages. Do you deliberately delete the

and
and ... ?


I doubt if you will be able to persuade David to abide by the usual
rules of netiquette. Others have tried and failed, so you will just
have to struggle through his contributions, which are usually worth
reading, despite the missing context, snip marks and attributions.

Franz



Franz Heymann 04-08-2004 09:54 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:29:55 +0100, "David Hill"
wrote:

atwifa said "...just a general point (and likely a contentious one

at that):
but i've never come across a good reason for destroying wasps'

nests. it's
always seemed to me like killing all the lions on the plain.

they're
important predators, and you need to be somewhat witless to come to

any harm
around them......."

All I can say is
What a load of pretentious nonsense

If like me you are Hypersensitive to wasp stings or you are even

more
unlucky to be Allergic to the stings when just one sting can be

life
threatening, then you do all to remove any chance.
If you have a nest in your garden where there is no way of avoiding

it .or
of getting your house full of wasps.
When it comes down to me or them then there is no choice.

They have to go

P.S. If you have a man eating Lion, then you remove that Lion and

don't try
to kill all the Lions on the plain.


How do you use Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 and still

not
have properly formatted messages. Do you deliberately delete the

and
and ... ?


I doubt if you will be able to persuade David to abide by the usual
rules of netiquette. Others have tried and failed, so you will just
have to struggle through his contributions, which are usually worth
reading, despite the missing context, snip marks and attributions.

Franz



The Reids 04-08-2004 10:31 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
Following up to atwifa

just a general point (and likely a contentious one at that): but i've never
come across a good reason for destroying wasps' nests.


Have you ever tried to have a barbecue in late summer? Or this
year, now.

and you need to be somewhat witless to come to any harm around them.


A child with a coke with a wasp in it?

i also find it hardly credible that they have taken *all* your apples ...
unless the tree is very small, that is. if you really want to defend your
crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are readily
available.


they have taken virtually all my raspberries. What control method
would you recommend?
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

The Reids 04-08-2004 10:31 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
Following up to atwifa

my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from stings
than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the proportion
of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about
wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true,
surely?


You don't have to be allergic if you swallow one in a drink. And
they love beer.
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

The Reids 04-08-2004 10:31 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
Following up to atwifa

my apologies. i had forgotten that some people are at more risk from stings
than just the brief pain and slight swelling. however, since the proportion
of allergic individuals must be relatively small, my general concern about
wiping out whole micro-environments still holds at least partially true,
surely?


You don't have to be allergic if you swallow one in a drink. And
they love beer.
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

The Reids 04-08-2004 10:41 AM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
Following up to David Hill

Remember if my postings are so offensive to your sensibilities then you can
easily Black list me.


I don't post in this group much but I think i'll take you up on
the offer as I have found over the years on usenet that those who
refuse to conform to simple conventions that make life easier for
others are usually pains in the arse in other ways too.
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

The Reids 04-08-2004 03:34 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
Following up to

I don't post in this group much but I think i'll take you up on
the offer as I have found over the years on usenet that those who
refuse to conform to simple conventions that make life easier for
others are usually pains in the arse in other ways too.


David is an exception, all his posts are well worth reading.


OK, i'll take your work for it and unkill him (is there such a
word?)
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Nick Gray 04-08-2004 04:37 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 

"The Reids" wrote in message
...
Following up to atwifa

[..snipped...]

i also find it hardly credible that they have taken *all* your apples ...
unless the tree is very small, that is. if you really want to defend

your
crops, then any number of physical (and chemical) deterrents are readily
available.


they have taken virtually all my raspberries. What control method
would you recommend?
--
Mike Reid

Hi Mike,

Have you tried making wasp traps?

We used to do this with our victoria plum.

Take a jam jar, (without lid) tie some string around the neck of the jar,
create a hoop on the top. Hang the jar(s) on fruit branches or nearby
supports. Half fill the jars with water mixed with a little jam, honey or
marmalade. Obviously the more fruit trees you have, the more traps you are
likely to want.

HTH

Cheers

Nick
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk



The Reids 04-08-2004 05:35 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
Following up to Nick Gray

Take a jam jar, (without lid) tie some string around the neck of the jar,
create a hoop on the top. Hang the jar(s) on fruit branches or nearby
supports. Half fill the jars with water mixed with a little jam, honey or
marmalade. Obviously the more fruit trees you have, the more traps you are
likely to want.


I might well do that, we have not had a problem previous years
but this year they targetted the rapsberries I wonder if its the
dry weather?
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Rodger Whitlock 04-08-2004 06:43 PM

WAsps, wasps and more wasps
 
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:57:41 +0100, atwifa wrote:

which begs another question: if you (as a gardener and an allergenic) had
the power to wipe out wasps utterly ... would you do it? i'm not making
light of the situation by asking, i'm just curious.


Heavens no! Wasps undoubtedly play an important ecological role,
even if we don't fully understand it.

I draw the attention of those interested to the current issue of
Scientific American, wherein the ecological consequences of the
re-introduction of wolves into Yellowstone National Park in
Wyoming, USA, are described. They are all to the good; the wolves
predate herbivores which had been in turn chomping all the young
tree seedlings.

Add wolves, and the trees start to regenerate after the
herbivores themselves are chomped. Who would have foreseen this?

The only folks unhappy are the ranchers around Yellowstone.

--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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