Salmonella and lettuce
As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being caused by lettuce contaminated by manure. Are there implications here for the home producer? I would have thought salmonella would be most likely found in raw chicken manure, what about horse manure, can we assume herbivores are safe? -- Mike Reid Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:07:10 +0100, The Reids
wrote: | As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the | radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being | caused by lettuce contaminated by manure. | Are there implications here for the home producer? I would have | thought salmonella would be most likely found in raw chicken | manure, what about horse manure, can we assume herbivores are | safe? Strictly *nothing* is *absolutely* safe, be it getting up in the morning or staying in bed. Herbivores also have various nasties in their guts. All soil contains various nasties. The problem here was IMO almost certainly caused by a problem in *one* field, and the salmonella was transported all over Europe in lorries. This has happened before. The general advice about salads has always been to wash them before eating. Home growers should IMO continue as normal, the worst thing that can happen is that you can give your family the runs, and the EHOs will never notice that. -- Dave F |
"The Reids" wrote in message ... As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being caused by lettuce contaminated by manure. Are there implications here for the home producer? Of course. So much for organic gardening. Franz Heymann |
Following up to Dave and Jim
The problem here was IMO almost certainly caused by a problem in *one* field, and the salmonella was transported all over Europe in lorries. This has happened before. Lets not get polorised on the dangers of food poisoning. This outbreak is limited to a fast food companies outlets in UK. What interests me is any precautions that might (or not) be appropriate to the use of horse manure on allotments? -- Mike Reid Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
I don't think that there has ever been a problem of this sort from British
grown lettuce. It seems as if this was all from lettuce used by one chain of Burger outlet (MMakes you think). I should think that the results of the salmonella would remove any beef from the system that could cause mad cow disease. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
Franz Heymann wrote:
"The Reids" wrote in message ... As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being caused by lettuce contaminated by manure. Are there implications here for the home producer? Of course. So much for organic gardening. Franz Heymann Organic gardening is proved as worthless because someone didn't wash the shit of some lettuce? Or have I misunderstood your point? -- "The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a bit longer." -- Henry Kissinger |
Following up to Jim Webster
Franz Heymann prat Jim, your sig file is a little over the recommended 4 lines max. -- Mike Reid Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:07:10 +0100, The Reids
wrote: ~As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the ~radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being ~caused by lettuce contaminated by manure. ~Are there implications here for the home producer? I would have ~thought salmonella would be most likely found in raw chicken ~manure, what about horse manure, can we assume herbivores are ~safe? ~-- I think there's an outbreak of lack of common sense rather than of salmonella. Anything that grows in the ground should be well-washed before eating, regardless of what it was grown in. Anyone who grows their own veg would wash it automatically, as it tends to be muddy :) and all manures contain nasties when you think about it... I'd have thought the danger would be in supermarket stuff which has only been roughly washed and which people think is safe to eat straight out of the packet. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:46:01 +0100, The Reids
wrote: | Following up to Dave and Jim | | The problem here was IMO almost certainly caused by a problem in *one* | field, and the salmonella was transported all over Europe in lorries. | This has happened before. | | Lets not get polorised on the dangers of food poisoning. | | This outbreak is limited to a fast food companies outlets in UK. | | What interests me is any precautions that might (or not) be | appropriate to the use of horse manure on allotments? IMO Wash things which have been in contact with soil or any manures. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Sick and tired of Junk Snail Mail? Register your family surname and address with www.mpsonline.org.uk IME it works :-) |
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:06:41 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "The Reids" wrote in message .. . As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being caused by lettuce contaminated by manure. Are there implications here for the home producer? Of course. So much for organic gardening. This is precisely the sort of apathetic, generalised hogwash that the biochemical industry wants everyone to believe - you're not safe unless you've sprayed, dusted and treated anything and everything that moves..and plenty more that doesn't. The fact of the matter is that unless you grow your produce in a sterile environment you're at risk from any number of diseases, salmonella being just one of them - and given the number of possible vectors of this particular disease it's not enough to assume that simply using biochemicals is enough to prevent contamination. In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically grown. The presence of horse manure isn't a sufficient basis upon which to draw that conclusion - and considering the destination of the lettuces I think it highly unlikely that they were. Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
The Reids wrote:
Following up to Jim Webster Franz Heymann prat Jim, your sig file is a little over the recommended 4 lines max. S'not Jim, at least not as we know him, Captain. Jim Webster is a respectable poster to UBA; what we have here is a disreputable troll with no imagination. regards sarah -- Think of it as evolution in action. |
Franz Heymann wrote:
"The Reids" wrote in message ... As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being caused by lettuce contaminated by manure. Are there implications here for the home producer? Of course. So much for organic gardening. If you forgot the sarcasm, I apologise for the following: Fool. Manure is used by both organic and conventional systems. Salmonella is present in most faeces, including those of wild birds. Which droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven on organic and conventional produce alike. regards sarah -- Think of it as evolution in action. |
Following up to Nick Maclaren
Jim, your sig file is a little over the recommended 4 lines max. And your net nannying is OTT. I suppose a 100 or so line sigfile after a one word post isn't over the top in your book? As the most extreme post/sig ratio I've seen I felt a mild wry comment was not inappropriate. Get a life. get a sense of irony or if you cant afford that a sense of sarcasm? -- Mike Reid Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
Following up to Stephen Howard
In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically grown. The presence of horse manure isn't a sufficient basis upon which to draw that conclusion - and considering the destination of the lettuces I think it highly unlikely that they were. only "manure" was mentioned, I assumed chicken? -- Mike Reid Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
Following up to sarah
including those of wild birds. Which droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven on organic and conventional produce alike. luckily unlike horse manure. Pegasus aside. -- Mike Reid Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
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