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Desert Rose germinated... now what...
Hi All,
I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Thanks, Matthew |
Matthew J.E. Durkin wrote:
Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Blimey! A miracle! In my experience, that form of gypsum never germinates, but just quietly crumbles away on the mantelpiece. Mike. |
"Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Franz |
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Franz Adenium Obesum Grow as a natural bonsai in a small container. found a site that seems to answer my own question! http://www.angelfire.com/hi/AdeniumsofHawaii/ |
In article , Franz Heymann
writes "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. It's a name for Alygoyne hakeifolia, and also Aeonium obesum. And (with Sturt's name in front) Gossypium sturtianum. I guess it's the Aeonium which is meant. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Franz -- Stewart Robert Hinsley http://www.malvaceae.info/ |
"Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Adenium Obesum Grow as a natural bonsai in a small container. found a site that seems to answer my own question! http://www.angelfire.com/hi/AdeniumsofHawaii/ It looks like an interesting plant, but what is the connection between it and a bonsai tree? The RHS encyclopedia describes it as a frost tender perennial succulent, very prone to rotting. Franz Franz |
"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In article , Franz Heymann writes "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. It's a name for Alygoyne hakeifolia, and also Aeonium obesum. And (with Sturt's name in front) Gossypium sturtianum. I guess it's the Aeonium which is meant. According to the RHS encyclopedia it is Adenium obesum which is the desert rose. According to the same book, the only Aeoniums listed are arboretum, haworthii and tubuliforme Franz |
There is no such thing as Aeonium obesum. You mean Adenium obesum.
The popular common name "Desert Rose" is not really appropriate. It looks more like it should be called "Desert Rhododendron" from the appearance of the flowers. "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In article , Franz Heymann writes "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. It's a name for Alygoyne hakeifolia, and also Aeonium obesum. And (with Sturt's name in front) Gossypium sturtianum. I guess it's the Aeonium which is meant. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Franz -- Stewart Robert Hinsley http://www.malvaceae.info/ |
Adenium obseum is better described as a tender xerophytic pachycaul shrub
rather than a perennial. Its like an Oleander with a weight problem. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Adenium Obesum Grow as a natural bonsai in a small container. found a site that seems to answer my own question! http://www.angelfire.com/hi/AdeniumsofHawaii/ It looks like an interesting plant, but what is the connection between it and a bonsai tree? The RHS encyclopedia describes it as a frost tender perennial succulent, very prone to rotting. Franz Franz |
You better get rid of that RHS encyclopedia of yours, Franz. Its loaded with
mistakes. That's Aeonium arboreum and Aeonium tabuliforme not the gogglty gook you wrote. There are many more species in the genus than just the three you mention. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In article , Franz Heymann writes "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. It's a name for Alygoyne hakeifolia, and also Aeonium obesum. And (with Sturt's name in front) Gossypium sturtianum. I guess it's the Aeonium which is meant. According to the RHS encyclopedia it is Adenium obesum which is the desert rose. According to the same book, the only Aeoniums listed are arboretum, haworthii and tubuliforme Franz |
"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . .. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Adenium Obesum Grow as a natural bonsai in a small container. found a site that seems to answer my own question! http://www.angelfire.com/hi/AdeniumsofHawaii/ It looks like an interesting plant, but what is the connection between it and a bonsai tree? The RHS encyclopedia describes it as a frost tender perennial succulent, very prone to rotting. Adenium obseum is better described as a tender xerophytic pachycaul shrub rather than a perennial. Its like an Oleander with a weight problem. For a botanist, maybe. For a gardener, no. Franz |
"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . .. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In article , Franz Heymann writes "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. It's a name for Alygoyne hakeifolia, and also Aeonium obesum. And (with Sturt's name in front) Gossypium sturtianum. I guess it's the Aeonium which is meant. According to the RHS encyclopedia it is Adenium obesum which is the desert rose. According to the same book, the only Aeoniums listed are arboretum, haworthii and tubuliforme You better get rid of that RHS encyclopedia of yours, Franz. Its loaded with mistakes. Thanks for the advice, but I'll stick to the RHS book. That's Aeonium arboreum and Aeonium tabuliforme not the gogglty gook you wrote. There are many more species in the genus than just the three you mention. Google on the combination containing both phrases "Adenium obesum" "Desert rose" and you will find 3,800 reasons why I will stick to the RHS book rather than your flawed opinions. Franz |
For a gardener yes, you dim wit Franzy.
Since you obviously heve never grown Adenium obesum, you are not at all qualified to speak for those who do. http://www.cactus-mall.com/andre/index.html http://www.hort.wisc.edu/mastergarde...se/adenium.htm "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . .. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Adenium Obesum Grow as a natural bonsai in a small container. found a site that seems to answer my own question! http://www.angelfire.com/hi/AdeniumsofHawaii/ It looks like an interesting plant, but what is the connection between it and a bonsai tree? The RHS encyclopedia describes it as a frost tender perennial succulent, very prone to rotting. Adenium obseum is better described as a tender xerophytic pachycaul shrub rather than a perennial. Its like an Oleander with a weight problem. For a botanist, maybe. For a gardener, no. Franz |
How can you read your beloved RHS encyclopedia with your head up your ass,
Franzy? You obviously don't have enough sense to check things out for yourself rather than depend on the second hand lame opinions in some hack picture book. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . .. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In article , Franz Heymann writes "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. It's a name for Alygoyne hakeifolia, and also Aeonium obesum. And (with Sturt's name in front) Gossypium sturtianum. I guess it's the Aeonium which is meant. According to the RHS encyclopedia it is Adenium obesum which is the desert rose. According to the same book, the only Aeoniums listed are arboretum, haworthii and tubuliforme You better get rid of that RHS encyclopedia of yours, Franz. Its loaded with mistakes. Thanks for the advice, but I'll stick to the RHS book. That's Aeonium arboreum and Aeonium tabuliforme not the gogglty gook you wrote. There are many more species in the genus than just the three you mention. Google on the combination containing both phrases "Adenium obesum" "Desert rose" and you will find 3,800 reasons why I will stick to the RHS book rather than your flawed opinions. Franz |
"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message
om... How can you read your beloved RHS encyclopedia with your head up your ass, Franzy? You obviously don't have enough sense to check things out for yourself rather than depend on the second hand lame opinions in some hack picture book. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . .. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In article , Franz Heymann writes "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. It's a name for Alygoyne hakeifolia, and also Aeonium obesum. And (with Sturt's name in front) Gossypium sturtianum. I guess it's the Aeonium which is meant. According to the RHS encyclopedia it is Adenium obesum which is the desert rose. According to the same book, the only Aeoniums listed are arboretum, haworthii and tubuliforme You better get rid of that RHS encyclopedia of yours, Franz. Its loaded with mistakes. Thanks for the advice, but I'll stick to the RHS book. That's Aeonium arboreum and Aeonium tabuliforme not the gogglty gook you wrote. There are many more species in the genus than just the three you mention. Google on the combination containing both phrases "Adenium obesum" "Desert rose" and you will find 3,800 reasons why I will stick to the RHS book rather than your flawed opinions. Franz Let me clarify! Desert Rose = Adenium Obesum no questions or further discussion on that point required!!! It is nothing to do with Aeonium. As it turns out there are now lots of varieties and cultivars of the Adenium as it is a popular houseplant in Asia. Why it hasn't caught on here I'm not sure, but I bought some seeds to see if I could find out! The reason I mentioned bonsai, is that when grown indoors in a small pot, it grows as a miniature - i.e. a small plant rather than a very large bush which is how it is formed in the wild. They keep a nice compant shape and cover themselves in pretty 2" flowers twice a year. I have always been interested in more unusual plants, and in the adenium, I think I have found one of my favourites (though so far I only have a seedling!). I'll try to remember to let everyone know how it's looking in a years time. For now, rather astonishingly, after 1 week the seedling is about 3" tall and about ¼ (one quarter) of an inch wide. Apparently it is a very fast grower for the first couple of years, after which it slows down. The previous comment about rot is mostly correct. The plant grows in very well drained and dry conditoins (desert) ... It stores water in its trunk/stem. Therefore it must be grown in a well drained mix, and kept fairly dry. However to germinate it needs quite damp conditions. Hence my original question about when to reduce the moisture! If anyone out there has one growing I'd be intrigued to find out how well it grows here indoors in the UK... Thanks all, Matt |
At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer
to a windowsill? That depends on the conditions at your windowsill. You will want to keep it growing until the leaves yellow naturally or force it into dormancy by witholding water. It will want a dry (but do not dessicate), frost free (45-50F would be good) winter. Think benign neglect and check for mealies and scale. Underpot in well drained potting mix. Avoid overhead watering. No fertilizer until spring. |
"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . com... http://www.cactus-mall.com/andre/index.html http://www.hort.wisc.edu/mastergarde...se/adenium.htm "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . .. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Adenium Obesum Grow as a natural bonsai in a small container. found a site that seems to answer my own question! http://www.angelfire.com/hi/AdeniumsofHawaii/ It looks like an interesting plant, but what is the connection between it and a bonsai tree? The RHS encyclopedia describes it as a frost tender perennial succulent, very prone to rotting. Adenium obseum is better described as a tender xerophytic pachycaul shrub rather than a perennial. Its like an Oleander with a weight problem. For a botanist, maybe. For a gardener, no. For a gardener yes, you dim wit Franzy. Since you obviously heve never grown Adenium obesum, you are not at all qualified to speak for those who do. I am fully qualified to recognise bullshit when I encounter it. Franz |
"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message om... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . .. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In article , Franz Heymann writes "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. It's a name for Alygoyne hakeifolia, and also Aeonium obesum. And (with Sturt's name in front) Gossypium sturtianum. I guess it's the Aeonium which is meant. According to the RHS encyclopedia it is Adenium obesum which is the desert rose. According to the same book, the only Aeoniums listed are arboretum, haworthii and tubuliforme You better get rid of that RHS encyclopedia of yours, Franz. Its loaded with mistakes. Thanks for the advice, but I'll stick to the RHS book. That's Aeonium arboreum and Aeonium tabuliforme not the gogglty gook you wrote. There are many more species in the genus than just the three you mention. Google on the combination containing both phrases "Adenium obesum" "Desert rose" and you will find 3,800 reasons why I will stick to the RHS book rather than your flawed opinions. How can you read your beloved RHS encyclopedia with your head up your ass, Franzy? Try your reading skills on what I said above about using Google to prove that yo are wrong. You obviously don't have enough sense to check things out for yourself rather than depend on the second hand lame opinions in some hack picture book. I have done so. I told you there are 3,800 reasons given by a Google search to prove that you are wrong. Would you like a lesson on using Google? By the way, how about learning some of the elementary aspects of posting to a newsgroup so as to make it unnecessary for folk to put your meagre contributions in the correct place to maintain the integrity of the thread? Franz |
"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message .. . [snip] There is no such thing as Aeonium obesum. You mean Adenium obesum. The popular common name "Desert Rose" is not really appropriate. It looks more like it should be called "Desert Rhododendron" from the appearance of the flowers. There are many plants with inappropriate common names. That does not detract from the fact that the common name of Adenium obesum is "Desert Rose" Franz |
"I am fully qualified to recognise bullshit when I encounter it.
Franz" One would hope you recognize it by now. You see it in the mirror every morning!!!! "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . com... http://www.cactus-mall.com/andre/index.html http://www.hort.wisc.edu/mastergarde...se/adenium.htm "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . .. "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Matthew J.E. Durkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, I have just germinated a desert rose seed, the seedling is about 3" tall now with 2 leaves on top. I still have it in my propagator. I am totally ignorant about this. What is a desert rose? I know it only as a mineral. See for example the Hamlyn Guide to Minerals, rocks and fossils. At what point would it be OK to remove it from the propagator and transfer to a windowsill? Adenium Obesum Grow as a natural bonsai in a small container. found a site that seems to answer my own question! http://www.angelfire.com/hi/AdeniumsofHawaii/ It looks like an interesting plant, but what is the connection between it and a bonsai tree? The RHS encyclopedia describes it as a frost tender perennial succulent, very prone to rotting. Adenium obseum is better described as a tender xerophytic pachycaul shrub rather than a perennial. Its like an Oleander with a weight problem. For a botanist, maybe. For a gardener, no. For a gardener yes, you dim wit Franzy. Since you obviously heve never grown Adenium obesum, you are not at all qualified to speak for those who do. I am fully qualified to recognise bullshit when I encounter it. Franz |
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