nasty prickly anti cat anti burglar hedges
The fence at the top of my back garden, owned by my neighbour, is
broken and falling down, basically it's a wreck. Cats get through and attack the birds in my garden. It is also in my opinion a security risk from burglars. My neighbour wont fix it I would like to plant an extremely nasty, anti cat, and anti burglar, hedge. I would like something that grows relatively quickly and that I would be able to prune with powerful electric hedge trimmers. 5 ft. tall would be my target height. I plan long-term to remove my leylandii when the hedge is formed. Any ideas? Pyracanthea, Rosa rugosa, or berberis. A bonus would be to have butterflies and birds attracted to my hedge. Phil of Whittlesey Peterborough England |
"PhilBoy" wrote in message ups.com... The fence at the top of my back garden, owned by my neighbour, is broken and falling down, basically it's a wreck. Cats get through and attack the birds in my garden. It is also in my opinion a security risk from burglars. My neighbour wont fix it I would like to plant an extremely nasty, anti cat, and anti burglar, hedge. I would like something that grows relatively quickly and that I would be able to prune with powerful electric hedge trimmers. 5 ft. tall would be my target height. I plan long-term to remove my leylandii when the hedge is formed. Any ideas? Pyracanthea, Rosa rugosa, or berberis. A bonus would be to have butterflies and birds attracted to my hedge. Phil of Whittlesey Peterborough England Pyracantha is the most immediate suggestion and the birds love the berries in the winter althought to get best berries you really need to prune correctly with secateurs Berberis in front for low level prickles Rosa Rugosa is a pain to keep in control and nasty to deal with |
"PhilBoy" wrote in message ups.com... The fence at the top of my back garden, owned by my neighbour, is broken and falling down, basically it's a wreck. Cats get through and attack the birds in my garden. It is also in my opinion a security risk from burglars. My neighbour wont fix it I would like to plant an extremely nasty, anti cat, and anti burglar, hedge. I would like something that grows relatively quickly and that I would be able to prune with powerful electric hedge trimmers. 5 ft. tall would be my target height. I plan long-term to remove my leylandii when the hedge is formed. Any ideas? Pyracanthea, Rosa rugosa, or berberis. A bonus would be to have butterflies and birds attracted to my hedge. Phil of Whittlesey Peterborough England No hedge of whatever species will ever be catproof. You need your fence on your land, electrified if necessary to sort out the pussy cats and additional barbed wire to deter humans. You can then plant the wildlife friendly hedge on your side of it to attract flutterbies, birds etc. Pete www.thecanalshop.com |
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PhilBoy writes Pyracanthea, Rosa rugosa, or berberis. A bonus would be to have butterflies and birds attracted to my hedge. Phil of Whittlesey Peterborough England Have a look at the thread 'what edge' which is the same question. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
"PhilBoy" wrote in message ups.com... The fence at the top of my back garden, owned by my neighbour, is broken and falling down, basically it's a wreck. Cats get through and attack the birds in my garden. It is also in my opinion a security risk from burglars. My neighbour wont fix it I would like to plant an extremely nasty, anti cat, and anti burglar, hedge. I would like something that grows relatively quickly and that I would be able to prune with powerful electric hedge trimmers. 5 ft. tall would be my target height. I plan long-term to remove my leylandii when the hedge is formed. NOTHING is cat proof :~)) Except maybe getting a dog ........ Any ideas? Pyracanthea, Rosa rugosa, or berberis. All of those are good Blackberries are good too and you get the fruit as a bonus. A bonus would be to have butterflies and birds attracted to my hedge. Phil of Whittlesey Peterborough England Put a few Buddleias in-between. They are not prickly but the flowers smell gorgeous and attract masses of butterfly's. They will like being pruned hard every year so will fit in with your scheme of things. Jenny |
There's a real gap in the market for a book titled "Security Plantings", describing all the spiny thicket forming plants which are actually in some other way horticulturally attractive. It would have a section on screens and possibly a (very thin) section on attempts at cat-proofing. |
"John McMillan" wrote There's a real gap in the market for a book titled "Security Plantings", describing all the spiny thicket forming plants which are actually in some other way horticulturally attractive. It would have a section on screens and possibly a (very thin) section on attempts at cat-proofing. No, a very thick section of cat proofing, a very thin section on 100% successful cat proofing. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
"John McMillan" wrote in message ... There's a real gap in the market for a book titled "Security Plantings", describing all the spiny thicket forming plants which are actually in some other way horticulturally attractive. It would have a section on screens and possibly a (very thin) section on attempts at cat-proofing. Found these: Catproof : http://www.webmesh.co.uk/hedgetodeter.htm Totally mad matress recyling !: http://www.users.on.net/~arachne/mattress.html Jenny :~)) |
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McMillan writes There's a real gap in the market for a book titled "Security Plantings", describing all the spiny thicket forming plants which are actually in some other way horticulturally attractive. It would have a section on screens and possibly a (very thin) section on attempts at cat-proofing. Talk to your local policy security advisor - at least one police force gives out a leaflet describing different plants for security hedging. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:24:03 +0000, Peter Stockdale wrote
(in message ): No hedge of whatever species will ever be catproof. You need your fence on your land, electrified if necessary to sort out the pussy cats and additional barbed wire to deter humans. You can then plant the wildlife friendly hedge on your side of it to attract flutterbies, birds etc. Pete I've seen one strange thing recommended for deterring cats- I have no idea how well it works, but it is dried "lion dung" or pellets treated with same. Supposedly they smell a big cat and stay away! -- VX (remove alcohol for email) |
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wrote: In article , John McMillan writes There's a real gap in the market for a book titled "Security Plantings", describing all the spiny thicket forming plants which are actually in some other way horticulturally attractive. It would have a section on screens and possibly a (very thin) section on attempts at cat-proofing. Talk to your local policy security advisor - at least one police force gives out a leaflet describing different plants for security hedging. I've seen those leaflets. They're a start but what I want is an A4, ~160page coffee table size book with glossy pictures of Rubus Cockburnianus looking threatening. j |
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John McMillan wrote: There's a real gap in the market for a book titled "Security Plantings", describing all the spiny thicket forming plants which are actually in some other way horticulturally attractive. It would have a section on screens and possibly a (very thin) section on attempts at cat-proofing. Talk to your local policy security advisor - at least one police force gives out a leaflet describing different plants for security hedging. I've seen those leaflets. They're a start but what I want is an A4, ~160page coffee table size book with glossy pictures of Rubus Cockburnianus looking threatening. I doubt that burglars, small boys or cats will be discouraged by a book, even if you hang it in the path they use. You could use it to throw at cats, I suppose. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... No, a very thick section of cat proofing, a very thin section on 100% successful cat proofing. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London Yup - leccy fences are very thin !! Pete |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... No, a very thick section of cat proofing, a very thin section on 100% successful cat proofing. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London Yup - leccy fences are very thin !! It's important when setting up an electric fence to remember where it is if you believe in the gardener's privilege of nocturnal watering the natural way. Mike. |
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Peter Stockdale wrote: "Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... No, a very thick section of cat proofing, a very thin section on 100% successful cat proofing. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London Yup - leccy fences are very thin !! It's important when setting up an electric fence to remember where it is if you believe in the gardener's privilege of nocturnal watering the natural way. Mike. 4000volts Ouch !! Pete |
"VX" wrote in message s.com... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:24:03 +0000, Peter Stockdale wrote (in message ): No hedge of whatever species will ever be catproof. You need your fence on your land, electrified if necessary to sort out the pussy cats and additional barbed wire to deter humans. You can then plant the wildlife friendly hedge on your side of it to attract flutterbies, birds etc. Pete I've seen one strange thing recommended for deterring cats- I have no idea how well it works, but it is dried "lion dung" or pellets treated with same. Supposedly they smell a big cat and stay away! VX (remove alcohol for email) I have inside information that says its a con by the Zoo's to generate extra cash flow ! Jenny |
Just tell your neighbors that its okay for them to let their dogs shit and
**** all over your yard. That will definitely keep the burglars and cats away!!! "PhilBoy" wrote in message ups.com... The fence at the top of my back garden, owned by my neighbour, is broken and falling down, basically it's a wreck. Cats get through and attack the birds in my garden. It is also in my opinion a security risk from burglars. My neighbour wont fix it I would like to plant an extremely nasty, anti cat, and anti burglar, hedge. I would like something that grows relatively quickly and that I would be able to prune with powerful electric hedge trimmers. 5 ft. tall would be my target height. I plan long-term to remove my leylandii when the hedge is formed. Any ideas? Pyracanthea, Rosa rugosa, or berberis. A bonus would be to have butterflies and birds attracted to my hedge. Phil of Whittlesey Peterborough England |
Mike Lyle wrote in message ... Peter Stockdale wrote: "Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... No, a very thick section of cat proofing, a very thin section on 100% successful cat proofing. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London Yup - leccy fences are very thin !! It's important when setting up an electric fence to remember where it is if you believe in the gardener's privilege of nocturnal watering the natural way. Mike. But then, you're not going to put an electric fence around the compost heap, are you!! :~0 |
PhilBoy wrote in message ups.com... The fence at the top of my back garden, owned by my neighbour, is broken and falling down, basically it's a wreck. Cats get through and attack the birds in my garden. It is also in my opinion a security risk from burglars. My neighbour wont fix it I would like to plant an extremely nasty, anti cat, and anti burglar, hedge. I would like something that grows relatively quickly and that I would be able to prune with powerful electric hedge trimmers. 5 ft. tall would be my target height. I plan long-term to remove my leylandii when the hedge is formed. Any ideas? Pyracanthea, Rosa rugosa, or berberis. A bonus would be to have butterflies and birds attracted to my hedge. Phil of Whittlesey Peterborough England Hi Phil, Judging by the number of times my cats come home with thorns in their sides, it is apparent that they have absolutely no respect for thorns! Plant an evergreen Berberis hedge (B. darwinii is good, and very available) to ward off burglars and opportunist two-legged rats. Also enjoy the hedge for what it is, not just as a utility screen. Although I do love my cats, and admire many others, I really do understand that some visiting cats can be a thorn in the side. I'm very lucky because my cats see off the most offensive callers. There's not a lot you can do. However, having owned cats for 25 years, I can assure you that most cats cease active hunting as they mature ... like most opportunists, they're basically lazy. When frustration moves you to anger, don't throw stones .. throw water. It works, and even the RSPCA approve it. Best of luck, Spider |
Spider wrote:
[...] When frustration moves you to anger, don't throw stones .. throw water. It works, and even the RSPCA approve it. Those of us with an ineradicable childish streak welcome the arrival of those extraordinary new water "pistols". Garden centres should stock Super Soakers. And a nurse friend reports that as students they used to derive much innocent amusement from squirting passing policemen with water-filled hypodermics from the windows of the nurses' home. Mike. |
In article , "Mike Lyle" writes: | Spider wrote: | [...] | When frustration moves you to anger, don't throw stones .. throw | water. It works, and even the RSPCA approve it. | | Those of us with an ineradicable childish streak welcome the arrival | of those extraordinary new water "pistols". Garden centres should | stock Super Soakers. And a nurse friend reports that as students they | used to derive much innocent amusement from squirting passing | policemen with water-filled hypodermics from the windows of the | nurses' home. And, as I pointed out over a decade ago now, a bicycle pump with the connector removed throws a goodly volume of water a long way. I have only once caught a cat squarely with that, but its expression conveyed its clear opinion of me, my personal habits, ancestry and ultimate destination. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Spider wrote in message ... PhilBoy wrote in message ups.com... The fence at the top of my back garden, owned by my neighbour, is broken and falling down, basically it's a wreck. Cats get through and attack the birds in my garden. It is also in my opinion a security risk from burglars. My neighbour wont fix it I would like to plant an extremely nasty, anti cat, and anti burglar, hedge. I would like something that grows relatively quickly and that I would be able to prune with powerful electric hedge trimmers. 5 ft. tall would be my target height. I plan long-term to remove my leylandii when the hedge is formed. Any ideas? Pyracanthea, Rosa rugosa, or berberis. A bonus would be to have butterflies and birds attracted to my hedge. Phil of Whittlesey Peterborough England Hi Phil, Judging by the number of times my cats come home with thorns in their sides, it is apparent that they have absolutely no respect for thorns! Plant an evergreen Berberis hedge (B. darwinii is good, and very available) to ward off burglars and opportunist two-legged rats. Also enjoy the hedge for what it is, not just as a utility screen. Although I do love my cats, and admire many others, I really do understand that some visiting cats can be a thorn in the side. I'm very lucky because my cats see off the most offensive callers. There's not a lot you can do. However, having owned cats for 25 years, I can assure you that most cats cease active hunting as they mature ... like most opportunists, they're basically lazy. When frustration moves you to anger, don't throw stones .. throw water. It works, and even the RSPCA approve it. Best of luck, Spider P.S. ~ Having thought about it over night, there is one impassable place in my ga rden where cats can't pass in or out .. and that's through a barrier of chicken-wire behind a hedge (of Pyracantha). It was placed as temporary security until the hedge filled out, but still serves a purpose keeping my cats in and others out. You may like to try this, but make sure they can't push underneath or past a joint with a neighbouring wall/fence, etc. Remember, too, that cats can jump, so make your mesh barrier at least 4' high - that's 1.20m in new 'money'. Spider |
In article , "Spider" writes: | | Having thought about it over night, there is one impassable place in my ga | rden where cats can't pass in or out .. and that's through a barrier of | chicken-wire behind a hedge (of Pyracantha). It was placed as temporary | security until the hedge filled out, but still serves a purpose keeping my | cats in and others out. You may like to try this, but make sure they can't | push underneath or past a joint with a neighbouring wall/fence, etc. | Remember, too, that cats can jump, so make your mesh barrier at least 4' | high - that's 1.20m in new 'money'. An athletic cat can clear jump about 4' but can jump and scramble at least 6'. You also need something that they can't climb up somewhere else and jump down or across onto. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
PhilBoy wrote:
The fence at the top of my back garden, owned by my neighbour, is broken and falling down, basically it's a wreck. Cats get through and attack the birds in my garden. It is also in my opinion a security risk from burglars. My neighbour wont fix it I would like to plant an extremely nasty, anti cat, and anti burglar, hedge. I would like something that grows relatively quickly and that I would be able to prune with powerful electric hedge trimmers. 5 ft. tall would be my target height. I plan long-term to remove my leylandii when the hedge is formed. Any ideas? Pyracanthea, Rosa rugosa, or berberis. A bonus would be to have butterflies and birds attracted to my hedge. Phil of Whittlesey Peterborough England Rambling Rector - there's a flush of white flowers in late spring which are quite attractive. More importantly, it grows enthusiastically - in 3 years, two have covered 60 feet of our garden fence. And the thorns are viciously curved - any attempt at pruning results in lots of blood. A cat did try scrambling up it when I was close behind - lots of screaming, from the cat! It can look a bit tatty and seems susceptible to mildew but the thorns are impressive. We planted it to deter anybody trying to get into the garden over some flat garage roofs at the end - which it has done. -- Larry Stoter |
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:54:39 +0000, JennyC wrote
(in message ): I've seen one strange thing recommended for deterring cats- I have no idea how well it works, but it is dried "lion dung" or pellets treated with same. Supposedly they smell a big cat and stay away! VX (remove alcohol for email) I have inside information that says its a con by the Zoo's to generate extra cash flow ! Jenny Are you saying that this is a load of crap? Er, let me rephrase that. Are you saying it doesn't really work? I have already passed the lion dung idea on to others and I need to know if I'm making a pointless suggestion! -- VX (remove alcohol for email) |
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VX wrote: Are you saying that this is a load of crap? Indeed. Like specially packaged farmyard manure - just a lot of bullshit .... Er, let me rephrase that. Are you saying it doesn't really work? I have already passed the lion dung idea on to others and I need to know if I'm making a pointless suggestion! Apparently it does work, at least fairly often. But cats aren't as stupid as Sun 'readers' and are capable of learning - so fairly soon they realise that the horrible smell doesn't indicate a large cat after all and may be ignored. Keeping a lion might well have the desired effect, but recent nanny legislation means that you can't just buy them in your local pet shop and install them in your back garden. I can't think why not. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Better yet, put up a life sized poster of Janet Broccoli.
A poster of that wicked witch will scare away almost everything including cats, children and munchkins ............but not flying monkeys!!! "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message m from VX contains these words: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:54:39 +0000, JennyC wrote (in message ): I've seen one strange thing recommended for deterring cats- I have no idea how well it works, but it is dried "lion dung" or pellets treated with same. Supposedly they smell a big cat and stay away! VX (remove alcohol for email) I have inside information that says its a con by the Zoo's to generate extra cash flow ! Jenny Are you saying that this is a load of crap? Er, let me rephrase that. Are you saying it doesn't really work? I have already passed the lion dung idea on to others and I need to know if I'm making a pointless suggestion! Of course it's crap. Otherwise, you too would have inherited a subconscious ancestral terror of being hunted by the sabre-toothed tiger . The mere sight of a nylon-tiger-fur cushion/blouse, (or a large tabby cat), would impel you to hide the children up the nearest tree and snatch a burning brand from the fake-log gas fire. Janet. |
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article m, VX wrote: Er, let me rephrase that. Are you saying it doesn't really work? I have already passed the lion dung idea on to others and I need to know if I'm making a pointless suggestion! Apparently it does work, at least fairly often. But cats aren't as stupid as Sun 'readers' and are capable of learning - so fairly soon they realise that the horrible smell doesn't indicate a large cat after all and may be ignored. Keeping a lion might well have the desired effect, but recent nanny legislation means that you can't just buy them in your local pet shop and install them in your back garden. I can't think why not. Regards, Nick Maclaren. LOL thanks Nick for the first smile of the day :~)) Jenny |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words: Apparently it does work, at least fairly often. How do you know? Well, I am trusting that at least some of the people who have claimed that it did are telling the truth. Naive, I know, but .... Keeping a lion might well have the desired effect, but recent nanny legislation means that you can't just buy them in your local pet shop and install them in your back garden. I can't think why not. If it did work, one would expect that where the dumped panthers/ cougars have established themselves (Bodmin moor, parts of the Highlands), it would be very hard to persuade a domestic pet cat to leave the house, let alone crap in the garden.. AFAIK, this is not the case. Indeed, I believe that it is not the case that such animals have established themselves anywhere in the UK. Now, if you have definite evidence to the contrary .... Regards, |
Janet Baraclough wrote:
[...] Of course it's crap. Otherwise, you too would have inherited a subconscious ancestral terror of being hunted by the sabre-toothed tiger . The mere sight of a nylon-tiger-fur cushion/blouse, (or a large tabby cat), would impel you to hide the children up the nearest tree and snatch a burning brand from the fake-log gas fire. You should have seen me jump last time I saw a snake in the garden. That was pure ancestral horror. And, come to think of it, I froze for a moment the only time I saw a wild leopard. Mike. |
In message , Janet Baraclough
writes If it did work, one would expect that where the dumped panthers/ cougars have established themselves (Bodmin moor, parts of the Highlands), it would be very hard to persuade a domestic pet cat to leave the house, let alone crap in the garden.. AFAIK, this is not the case. Janet A friend just back from digging in the Negev (archaeology, not gardening) saw what is supposed to be the last leopard in the area: all the others have succumbed to some disease carried by domestic cats, on which the leopards had been dining ... -- Klara, Gatwick basin |
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In message , Janet Baraclough writes If it did work, one would expect that where the dumped panthers/ cougars have established themselves (Bodmin moor, parts of the Highlands), it would be very hard to persuade a domestic pet cat to leave the house, let alone crap in the garden.. AFAIK, this is not the case. Janet A friend just back from digging in the Negev (archaeology, not gardening) saw what is supposed to be the last leopard in the area: all the others have succumbed to some disease carried by domestic cats, on which the leopards had been dining ... Hey, a new line for the _Daily Mail_: mad cat disease! Mike. |
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In article , "Mike Lyle" writes: | Sacha wrote: | On 2/2/05 22:17, in article | , | "Janet Baraclough" wrote: | | PLEASE tell us your nickname is not Riki.... | | My nickname is not Riki. Okay? | | Tiki Baraclough. | | Okay! | | Tavi Lyle. Yes. "Run and find out" Maclaren. |
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