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The oldest Camellia in Europe
This is the claim for a Camellia japonica in the Pillnitz Gardens near
Dresden. A customer has sent us a pic because he thinks an unidentified Camellia we have is the same one. But the story is fascinating - four specimens were sent to Europe to Kew & The Paris Botanic Garden but this in Dresden is the only one to survive. The Dresden Camellia has a special greenhouse which is wheeled over this very large shrub every winter to ensure its survival and it's *huge* - very impressive arrangement. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Sacha wrote:
This is the claim for a Camellia japonica in the Pillnitz Gardens near Dresden. A customer has sent us a pic because he thinks an unidentified Camellia we have is the same one. But the story is fascinating - four specimens were sent to Europe to Kew & The Paris Botanic Garden but this in Dresden is the only one to survive. The Dresden Camellia has a special greenhouse which is wheeled over this very large shrub every winter to ensure its survival and it's *huge* - very impressive arrangement. Three not very good pictures: http://camellia.de/pillsta.htm And with the house in place, with people for scale: http://www.dresden-pictures.com/dd/b...00228gross.jpg The flowers look like this: http://www.kamelien.de/link.htm -- Mike. |
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Sacha wrote:
On 29/4/05 14:53, in article , "Mike Lyle" wrote: Sacha wrote: snip The Dresden Camellia has a special greenhouse which is wheeled over this very large shrub every winter to ensure its survival and it's *huge* - very impressive arrangement. Three not very good pictures: http://camellia.de/pillsta.htm And with the house in place, with people for scale: http://www.dresden-pictures.com/dd/b...00228gross.jpg The flowers look like this: http://www.kamelien.de/link.htm Thanks for doing that, Mike. The customer sent us pics but I hadn't gone looking around for more. It was my awed pleasure. I meant to mention that one of the sites I found reckons the thing puts out 35,000 flowers at a time. A must-see, I think. The garden is called "English-style" in German, the place houses a horticultural college (which is promising), and it only costs a euro to get in. I do hope some urgler will tell us about it soon. -- Mike. |
"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... This is the claim for a Camellia japonica in the Pillnitz Gardens near Dresden. A customer has sent us a pic because he thinks an unidentified Camellia we have is the same one. But the story is fascinating - four specimens were sent to Europe to Kew & The Paris Botanic Garden but this in Dresden is the only one to survive. The Dresden Camellia has a special greenhouse which is wheeled over this very large shrub every winter to ensure its survival and it's *huge* - very impressive arrangement. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) _____________________ I have heard this claim made several times and disputed just as frequently~~though I don't personally doubt it. Portugal often insists theirs are both older and larger. Many gardens in the West Country also have very large and elderly specimens. I have always wondered why we use a double 'l' in the spelling but not in the pronunciation! Should we get the 'l' out of it as do some other countries?! Even the history of its name suggests a single 'l'. Best Wishes Brian. |
Brian wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... This is the claim for a Camellia japonica in the Pillnitz Gardens near Dresden. A customer has sent us a pic because he thinks an unidentified Camellia we have is the same one. But the story is fascinating - four specimens were sent to Europe to Kew & The Paris Botanic Garden but this in Dresden is the only one to survive. The Dresden Camellia has a special greenhouse which is wheeled over this very large shrub every winter to ensure its survival and it's *huge* - very impressive arrangement. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) _____________________ I have heard this claim made several times and disputed just as frequently~~though I don't personally doubt it. Portugal often insists theirs are both older and larger. Many gardens in the West Country also have very large and elderly specimens. I have always wondered why we use a double 'l' in the spelling but not in the pronunciation! Should we get the 'l' out of it as do some other countries?! Even the history of its name suggests a single 'l'. The Latin form of Fr Kamel's name was "Camellus", and that was the one Linnaeus (also the Latin form!) used. I think we just pronounce it wrong, rather than spelling it wrong: poor old Wistaria and Aubrieta cop it both ways. I keep trying to say "Camellia" correctly with an "ell", but it never seems to come out with conviction. Maybe one of these days everybody will know how to say "Clematis" and "Cyclamen coum". -- Mike. |
On 29/4/05 21:24, in article , "Mike Lyle"
wrote: Brian wrote: snip I have always wondered why we use a double 'l' in the spelling but not in the pronunciation! Should we get the 'l' out of it as do some other countries?! Even the history of its name suggests a single 'l'. The Latin form of Fr Kamel's name was "Camellus", and that was the one Linnaeus (also the Latin form!) used. I think we just pronounce it wrong, rather than spelling it wrong: poor old Wistaria and Aubrieta cop it both ways. I keep trying to say "Camellia" correctly with an "ell", but it never seems to come out with conviction. Maybe one of these days everybody will know how to say "Clematis" and "Cyclamen coum". This is a touch of "you say potato......." Quite a long time ago we had a thread on how people pronounce the Latin names of plants - Ray says CleMAYtis, I say CLEMatis, some say kNIPhofia, others say KNIfofia etc. etc. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
In article , Sacha
writes some say kNIPhofia, Eh?? k-NIP-hofia??? -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
On 29/4/05 22:59, in article , "Kay"
wrote: In article , Sacha writes some say kNIPhofia, Eh?? k-NIP-hofia??? Bad attempt obviously - KnifOefia, NIFFoffia, KNIfoffia, NipOffia or KnipoffEEa are all variants I've heard. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 29/4/05 21:24, in article , "Mike Lyle" wrote: Brian wrote: snip I have always wondered why we use a double 'l' in the spelling but not in the pronunciation! Should we get the 'l' out of it as do some other countries?! Even the history of its name suggests a single 'l'. The Latin form of Fr Kamel's name was "Camellus", and that was the one Linnaeus (also the Latin form!) used. I think we just pronounce it wrong, rather than spelling it wrong: poor old Wistaria and Aubrieta cop it both ways. I keep trying to say "Camellia" correctly with an "ell", but it never seems to come out with conviction. Maybe one of these days everybody will know how to say "Clematis" and "Cyclamen coum". This is a touch of "you say potato......." Quite a long time ago we had a thread on how people pronounce the Latin names of plants - Ray says CleMAYtis, I say CLEMatis, some say kNIPhofia, others say KNIfofia etc. etc. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) _________________- I seem to remember that the botanical congress stated that stress was, henceforth, to be made on the prepenultimate syllable. On this basis those that sound pretentious are probably correct. As with all things however, they probably made numerous 'unless es' etc. Best Wishes Brian. |
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:06:25 +0100, Sacha
wrote: Bad attempt obviously - KnifOefia, NIFFoffia, KNIfoffia, NipOffia or KnipoffEEa are all variants I've heard. Add nifoffia to your Little List. kn=n, i=i, ph=f, ofia=offia I imagine Herr (or Frau?) Kniphof (or Kniphoff?), after whom the genus is named, basked in the pronunciation Nip-hoff. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, BC, Canada to send email, change atlantic to pacific and invalid to net |
On 2/5/05 16:05, in article , "Rodger
Whitlock" wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:06:25 +0100, Sacha wrote: Bad attempt obviously - KnifOefia, NIFFoffia, KNIfoffia, NipOffia or KnipoffEEa are all variants I've heard. Add nifoffia to your Little List. kn=n, i=i, ph=f, ofia=offia I imagine Herr (or Frau?) Kniphof (or Kniphoff?), after whom the genus is named, basked in the pronunciation Nip-hoff. Sounds quite rude. ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
On 2/5/05 17:53, in article , "Janet
Baraclough" wrote: The message from Sacha contains these words: Sounds quite rude. ;-) Look on the bright side..maybe Princess Anne was offering horticultural advice to the Press. Janet You read my mind..... ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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