This is the claim for a Camellia japonica in the Pillnitz Gardens near
Dresden. A customer has sent us a pic because he thinks an unidentified
Camellia we have is the same one. But the story is fascinating - four
specimens were sent to Europe to Kew & The Paris Botanic Garden but this in
Dresden is the only one to survive. The Dresden Camellia has a special
greenhouse which is wheeled over this very large shrub every winter to
ensure its survival and it's *huge* - very impressive arrangement.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Sacha wrote:
This is the claim for a Camellia japonica in the Pillnitz Gardens
near
Dresden. A customer has sent us a pic because he thinks an
unidentified Camellia we have is the same one. But the story is
fascinating - four specimens were sent to Europe to Kew & The Paris
Botanic Garden but this in Dresden is the only one to survive. The
Dresden Camellia has a special greenhouse which is wheeled over
this
very large shrub every winter to ensure its survival and it's
*huge*
- very impressive arrangement.

Three not very good pictures:
http://camellia.de/pillsta.htm

And with the house in place, with people for scale:
http://www.dresden-pictures.com/dd/b...00228gross.jpg

The flowers look like this:
http://www.kamelien.de/link.htm


--
Mike.

On 29/4/05 15:10, in article , "Janet
Baraclough" wrote:

The message
from Sacha contains these words:

This is the claim for a Camellia japonica in the Pillnitz Gardens near
Dresden. A customer has sent us a pic because he thinks an unidentified
Camellia we have is the same one. But the story is fascinating - four
specimens were sent to Europe to Kew & The Paris Botanic Garden but this in
Dresden is the only one to survive. The Dresden Camellia has a special
greenhouse which is wheeled over this very large shrub every winter to
ensure its survival and it's *huge* - very impressive arrangement.

I want one of those greenhouses, wheeled out to cover the whole
garden in winter.

Janet.

I'm fascinated by it - it's a fabulous idea!

On 29/4/05 14:53, in article , "Mike Lyle"
wrote:

Sacha wrote:
snip
The
Dresden Camellia has a special greenhouse which is wheeled over
this
very large shrub every winter to ensure its survival and it's
*huge*
- very impressive arrangement.

Three not very good pictures:
http://camellia.de/pillsta.htm

And with the house in place, with people for scale:
http://www.dresden-pictures.com/dd/b...00228gross.jpg

The flowers look like this:
http://www.kamelien.de/link.htm


Thanks for doing that, Mike. The customer sent us pics but I hadn't gone
looking around for more.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Sacha wrote:
On 29/4/05 14:53, in article , "Mike
Lyle" wrote:

Sacha wrote:
snip
The
Dresden Camellia has a special greenhouse which is wheeled over
this
very large shrub every winter to ensure its survival and it's
*huge*
- very impressive arrangement.

Three not very good pictures:
http://camellia.de/pillsta.htm

And with the house in place, with people for scale:

http://www.dresden-pictures.com/dd/b...00228gross.jpg

The flowers look like this:
http://www.kamelien.de/link.htm


Thanks for doing that, Mike. The customer sent us pics but I
hadn't
gone looking around for more.

It was my awed pleasure. I meant to mention that one of the sites I
found reckons the thing puts out 35,000 flowers at a time. A
must-see, I think.

The garden is called "English-style" in German, the place houses a
horticultural college (which is promising), and it only costs a euro
to get in. I do hope some urgler will tell us about it soon.

--
Mike.

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
This is the claim for a Camellia japonica in the Pillnitz Gardens near
Dresden. A customer has sent us a pic because he thinks an unidentified
Camellia we have is the same one. But the story is fascinating - four
specimens were sent to Europe to Kew & The Paris Botanic Garden but this
in
Dresden is the only one to survive. The Dresden Camellia has a special
greenhouse which is wheeled over this very large shrub every winter to
ensure its survival and it's *huge* - very impressive arrangement.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
_____________________
I have heard this claim made several times and disputed just as
frequently~~though I don't personally doubt it. Portugal often insists
theirs are both older and larger. Many gardens in the West Country also have
very large and elderly specimens.
I have always wondered why we use a double 'l' in the spelling but not
in the pronunciation! Should we get the 'l' out of it as do some other
countries?! Even the history of its name suggests a single 'l'.
Best Wishes Brian.

Brian wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
This is the claim for a Camellia japonica in the Pillnitz Gardens
near Dresden. A customer has sent us a pic because he thinks an
unidentified Camellia we have is the same one. But the story is
fascinating - four specimens were sent to Europe to Kew & The
Paris
Botanic Garden but this in Dresden is the only one to survive.
The
Dresden Camellia has a special greenhouse which is wheeled over
this
very large shrub every winter to ensure its survival and it's
*huge*
- very impressive arrangement. --
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
_____________________
I have heard this claim made several times and disputed just as
frequently~~though I don't personally doubt it. Portugal often
insists
theirs are both older and larger. Many gardens in the West Country
also have very large and elderly specimens.
I have always wondered why we use a double 'l' in the
spelling
but not in the pronunciation! Should we get the 'l' out of it as
do
some other countries?! Even the history of its name suggests a
single 'l'.

The Latin form of Fr Kamel's name was "Camellus", and that was the
one Linnaeus (also the Latin form!) used. I think we just pronounce
it wrong, rather than spelling it wrong: poor old Wistaria and
Aubrieta cop it both ways.

I keep trying to say "Camellia" correctly with an "ell", but it never
seems to come out with conviction. Maybe one of these days everybody
will know how to say "Clematis" and "Cyclamen coum".

--
Mike.

On 29/4/05 21:24, in article , "Mike Lyle"
wrote:

Brian wrote:
snip
I have always wondered why we use a double 'l' in the
spelling
but not in the pronunciation! Should we get the 'l' out of it as
do
some other countries?! Even the history of its name suggests a
single 'l'.

The Latin form of Fr Kamel's name was "Camellus", and that was the
one Linnaeus (also the Latin form!) used. I think we just pronounce
it wrong, rather than spelling it wrong: poor old Wistaria and
Aubrieta cop it both ways.

I keep trying to say "Camellia" correctly with an "ell", but it never
seems to come out with conviction. Maybe one of these days everybody
will know how to say "Clematis" and "Cyclamen coum".


This is a touch of "you say potato......." Quite a long time ago we had a
thread on how people pronounce the Latin names of plants - Ray says
CleMAYtis, I say CLEMatis, some say kNIPhofia, others say KNIfofia etc. etc.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

In article , Sacha
writes

some say kNIPhofia,

Eh??

k-NIP-hofia???
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

On 29/4/05 22:59, in article , "Kay"
wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes

some say kNIPhofia,

Eh??

k-NIP-hofia???

Bad attempt obviously - KnifOefia, NIFFoffia, KNIfoffia, NipOffia or
KnipoffEEa are all variants I've heard.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 29/4/05 21:24, in article , "Mike Lyle"
wrote:

Brian wrote:
snip
I have always wondered why we use a double 'l' in the
spelling
but not in the pronunciation! Should we get the 'l' out of it as
do
some other countries?! Even the history of its name suggests a
single 'l'.

The Latin form of Fr Kamel's name was "Camellus", and that was the
one Linnaeus (also the Latin form!) used. I think we just pronounce
it wrong, rather than spelling it wrong: poor old Wistaria and
Aubrieta cop it both ways.

I keep trying to say "Camellia" correctly with an "ell", but it never
seems to come out with conviction. Maybe one of these days everybody
will know how to say "Clematis" and "Cyclamen coum".


This is a touch of "you say potato......." Quite a long time ago we had
a
thread on how people pronounce the Latin names of plants - Ray says
CleMAYtis, I say CLEMatis, some say kNIPhofia, others say KNIfofia etc.
etc.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
_________________-
I seem to remember that the botanical congress stated that stress
was, henceforth, to be made on the prepenultimate syllable. On this basis
those that sound pretentious are probably correct. As with all things
however, they probably made numerous 'unless es' etc.
Best Wishes Brian.

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:06:25 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

Bad attempt obviously - KnifOefia, NIFFoffia, KNIfoffia, NipOffia or
KnipoffEEa are all variants I've heard.

Add nifoffia to your Little List.

kn=n, i=i, ph=f, ofia=offia

I imagine Herr (or Frau?) Kniphof (or Kniphoff?), after whom the genus
is named, basked in the pronunciation Nip-hoff.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, BC, Canada
to send email, change atlantic to pacific
and invalid to net

On 2/5/05 16:05, in article , "Rodger
Whitlock" wrote:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:06:25 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

Bad attempt obviously - KnifOefia, NIFFoffia, KNIfoffia, NipOffia or
KnipoffEEa are all variants I've heard.

Add nifoffia to your Little List.

kn=n, i=i, ph=f, ofia=offia

I imagine Herr (or Frau?) Kniphof (or Kniphoff?), after whom the genus
is named, basked in the pronunciation Nip-hoff.


Sounds quite rude. ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

On 2/5/05 17:53, in article , "Janet
Baraclough" wrote:

The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Sounds quite rude. ;-)

Look on the bright side..maybe Princess Anne was offering
horticultural advice to the Press.

Janet

You read my mind..... ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)