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Air rifles
Hi all, Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons
and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. Thinking about buying an air rifle. Do I need a license for one of these nowadays? Clive in Kent |
On Wed, 11 May 2005 11:04:50 +0000 (UTC), "Clive in Kent"
wrote: Hi all, Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. Thinking about buying an air rifle. Do I need a license for one of these nowadays? Clive in Kent You do not need a license for an air rifle with an energy of less that 12 ft lbs, which should be adequate to deal with most small vermin. The rules which might affect you are that you can not use an air rifle within 15m of a public highway and any bullet, shot or pellet from a gun should not fall onto ground which you do not have permission to shoot over. NB those are from memory so don't rely on that. In practice the only considerations are normal gun safety guidelines it is unlikely that anybody will complain if you send an air rifle pellet from your garden into an otherwise empty field and if you are shooting away from a road then you probably need not worry about measuring how close you are. As long as you shoot over open ground or into a hillside / backstop then you are generally OK. Practical points are that pigeons can be suprisingly hard to take down, an air rifle is adequate but on another forum I have read anecdotal evidence that they can survive even glancing shots from a shotgun. Other than that then depending on circumstance an air rifle is in many ways the best solution and has the bonus of providing you with pigeon and squirrel pie. Talking of which does anyone have any suggestions on how best to cook squirrel - I have the same problem with squirrels causing damage in my garden! JB |
Do I need a license for one of these nowadays?
Not yet but a review of the laws is due by July. The outcome could be a total ban, but that seems very unlikely. More likely, I think, is a licensing system probably less strenous than the current system for firearms. Henry |
Clive in Kent wrote:
Do I need a license for one of these nowadays? Maybe. You need to provide more information. |
JB wrote:
Talking of which does anyone have any suggestions on how best to cook squirrel - I have the same problem with squirrels causing damage in my garden! treat like rabbit, but with much tougher skin! |
"JB" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 May 2005 11:04:50 +0000 (UTC), "Clive in Kent" wrote: Hi all, Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. Thinking about buying an air rifle. Do I need a license for one of these nowadays? Clive in Kent You do not need a license for an air rifle with an energy of less that 12 ft lbs, which should be adequate to deal with most small vermin. The rules which might affect you are that you can not use an air rifle within 15m of a public highway and any bullet, shot or pellet from a gun should not fall onto ground which you do not have permission to shoot over. NB those are from memory so don't rely on that. In practice the only considerations are normal gun safety guidelines it is unlikely that anybody will complain if you send an air rifle pellet from your garden into an otherwise empty field and if you are shooting away from a road then you probably need not worry about measuring how close you are. As long as you shoot over open ground or into a hillside / backstop then you are generally OK. Practical points are that pigeons can be suprisingly hard to take down, an air rifle is adequate but on another forum I have read anecdotal evidence that they can survive even glancing shots from a shotgun. Other than that then depending on circumstance an air rifle is in many ways the best solution and has the bonus of providing you with pigeon and squirrel pie. Talking of which does anyone have any suggestions on how best to cook squirrel - I have the same problem with squirrels causing damage in my garden! Skin 'em and treat 'em like rabbits....same as for cats as well...you may not think that funny but you 'old timers' out there know that in WW2 cats were fair game for ration starved folk.....incidentally, both taste very good'''HW JB |
Skin 'em and treat 'em like rabbits....same as for cats as well...you may not think that funny but you 'old timers' out there know that in WW2 cats were fair game for ration starved folk.....incidentally, both taste very good' I have been advocating this and the owners of the newsgroup think me disgusting. I was told it by someone in occupied Holland. Mike |
In article , "Mike" writes: | | Skin 'em and treat 'em like rabbits....same as for cats as well...you may | not think that funny but you 'old timers' out there know that in WW2 cats | were fair game for ration starved folk.....incidentally, both taste very | good' | | I have been advocating this and the owners of the newsgroup think me | disgusting. I was told it by someone in occupied Holland. That's two factual errors in one sentence. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
"Clive in Kent @hotmail.com" cliverholdenremove wrote in message ... Hi all, Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. Thinking about buying an air rifle. Do I need a license for one of these nowadays? Not yet. Aim for the head, I borrow a neighbours old .22 air rifle. |
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from JB contains these words: You do not need a license for an air rifle with an energy of less that 12 ft lbs, which should be adequate to deal with most small vermin. The rules which might affect you are that you can not use an air rifle within 15m of a public highway There is no such law. You can fire a gun from the middle of a public highway providing you have good reason, and you do not alarm or injure anyone using it. You may have to have the permission of the controlling authority too, but I'm not sure about that. (But I can find out tonight.) and any bullet, shot or pellet from a gun should not fall onto ground which you do not have permission to shoot over. NB those are from memory so don't rely on that. The bullet, shot or pellet mustn't cross your boundary unless your neighbour permits. In practice the only considerations are normal gun safety guidelines it is unlikely that anybody will complain if you send an air rifle pellet from your garden into an otherwise empty field and if you are shooting away from a road then you probably need not worry about measuring how close you are. As long as you shoot over open ground or into a hillside / backstop then you are generally OK. Practical points are that pigeons can be suprisingly hard to take down, an air rifle is adequate but on another forum I have read anecdotal evidence that they can survive even glancing shots from a shotgun. Other than that then depending on circumstance an air rifle is in many ways the best solution and has the bonus of providing you with pigeon and squirrel pie. The breast feathers of a pigeon can cushion pellets from a shotgun if they hit face-on. Head-shots are favourite, so 'practice makes pigeon'. Talking of which does anyone have any suggestions on how best to cook squirrel - I have the same problem with squirrels causing damage in my garden! Skin, gut and joint your squirrel. Put a couple of tablespoons of plain flour in a big mixing-bowl. Add some sea salt, ground celery seed, ground black pepper, marjoram or oregano and sage, and mix it in well. Put carrots, parsnip, swede &c into a casserole and cover with water (or stock) and bring it to the boil in the oven or in a microwave. Meanwhile, heat some oil in a pan and fry a couple of chopped onions in it, and garlic if you like it. When the onions are cooked, 'seal' the squirrel flesh by putting it into the hot pan and stirring it about until all the surface has turned a greyish white. Tip contents of pan into bowl and mix into the flour. Put squirrel and onions into casserole and if there is any loose oil and flour left, take some of the liquor and mix it into a thin paste, and add to the casserole. Mix it in well, and replace in oven at around 100° C, or in the microwave on defrost. Cook for an hour at least, or until meat comes off the bone. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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from "Harold Walker" contains these words: Skin 'em and treat 'em like rabbits....same as for cats as well...you may not think that funny but you 'old timers' out there know that in WW2 cats were fair game for ration starved folk.....incidentally, both taste very good'''HW We always suspected that was what happend to my cat Rufus - I must have been about six at the time, and I spent days looking in the fields and woods about my house. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message k... The message from "Harold Walker" contains these words: Skin 'em and treat 'em like rabbits....same as for cats as well...you may not think that funny but you 'old timers' out there know that in WW2 cats were fair game for ration starved folk.....incidentally, both taste very good'''HW We always suspected that was what happend to my cat Rufus - I must have been about six at the time, and I spent days looking in the fields and woods about my house. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ And.........I was "off Age" at that time and Winnie called me....yup, am what some consider me to be 'an old geezer'..HW |
martin wrote:
On 11 May 2005 13:57:25 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , "Mike" writes: Skin 'em and treat 'em like rabbits....same as for cats as well...you may not think that funny but you 'old timers' out there know that in WW2 cats were fair game for ration starved folk.....incidentally, both taste very good' I have been advocating this and the owners of the newsgroup think me disgusting. I was told it by someone in occupied Holland. That's two factual errors in one sentence. Assuming he meant The Netherlands and not East Anglia? Well, in all fairness, I have to point out that neither Holland has ever been entirely vacant in recent years. I'm sure that's what our hyperbolic friend must have meant. -- Mike. |
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message from JB contains these words: You do not need a license for an air rifle with an energy of less that 12 ft lbs, which should be adequate to deal with most small vermin. The rules which might affect you are that you can not use an air rifle within 15m of a public highway There is no such law. You can fire a gun from the middle of a public highway providing you have good reason, and you do not alarm or injure anyone using it. You may have to have the permission of the controlling authority too, but I'm not sure about that. (But I can find out tonight.) [...] I'm not at all sure about this. There certainly did use to a be a rule about not discharging a firearm within n (40? 60?) feet of a public highway. I have a faint suspicion that it may even have been printed on the back of my old from-the-Post-Office gun licence. Anyhow, all this talk is utterly absurd. No inexperienced shot should go to the hassle and expense of buying and learning to use an air rifle to kill two pigeons and a squirrel. You either live with them, taking the usual precautions, or ask a regular shooter to deal with them. -- Mike. |
On Wed, 11 May 2005 16:59:53 +0200, martin wrote:
On 11 May 2005 13:57:25 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , "Mike" writes: | | Skin 'em and treat 'em like rabbits....same as for cats as well...you may | not think that funny but you 'old timers' out there know that in WW2 cats | were fair game for ration starved folk.....incidentally, both taste very | good' | | I have been advocating this and the owners of the newsgroup think me | disgusting. I was told it by someone in occupied Holland. That's two factual errors in one sentence. Assuming he meant The Netherlands and not East Anglia? Is Lincolnshire (Lindsey, Kesteven and Holland) in East Anglia? |
On Wed, 11 May 2005 16:12:43 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message from JB contains these words: You do not need a license for an air rifle with an energy of less that 12 ft lbs, which should be adequate to deal with most small vermin. The rules which might affect you are that you can not use an air rifle within 15m of a public highway There is no such law. You can fire a gun from the middle of a public highway providing you have good reason, and you do not alarm or injure anyone using it. You may have to have the permission of the controlling authority too, but I'm not sure about that. (But I can find out tonight.) I don't think you're allowed to have a loaded firearm on a public highway and I think they have to be covered when out in public. That's why you have to unload a shotgun, not just break it, even to cross a road. and any bullet, shot or pellet from a gun should not fall onto ground which you do not have permission to shoot over. NB those are from memory so don't rely on that. The bullet, shot or pellet mustn't cross your boundary unless your neighbour permits. In practice the only considerations are normal gun safety guidelines it is unlikely that anybody will complain if you send an air rifle pellet from your garden into an otherwise empty field and if you are shooting away from a road then you probably need not worry about measuring how close you are. As long as you shoot over open ground or into a hillside / backstop then you are generally OK. Practical points are that pigeons can be suprisingly hard to take down, an air rifle is adequate but on another forum I have read anecdotal evidence that they can survive even glancing shots from a shotgun. Other than that then depending on circumstance an air rifle is in many ways the best solution and has the bonus of providing you with pigeon and squirrel pie. The breast feathers of a pigeon can cushion pellets from a shotgun if they hit face-on. Head-shots are favourite, so 'practice makes pigeon'. Talking of which does anyone have any suggestions on how best to cook squirrel - I have the same problem with squirrels causing damage in my garden! Skin, gut and joint your squirrel. Put a couple of tablespoons of plain flour in a big mixing-bowl. Add some sea salt, ground celery seed, ground black pepper, marjoram or oregano and sage, and mix it in well. Put carrots, parsnip, swede &c into a casserole and cover with water (or stock) and bring it to the boil in the oven or in a microwave. Meanwhile, heat some oil in a pan and fry a couple of chopped onions in it, and garlic if you like it. When the onions are cooked, 'seal' the squirrel flesh by putting it into the hot pan and stirring it about until all the surface has turned a greyish white. Tip contents of pan into bowl and mix into the flour. Put squirrel and onions into casserole and if there is any loose oil and flour left, take some of the liquor and mix it into a thin paste, and add to the casserole. Mix it in well, and replace in oven at around 100° C, or in the microwave on defrost. Cook for an hour at least, or until meat comes off the bone. |
On Wed, 11 May 2005 16:12:43 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The rules which might affect you are that you can not use an air rifle within 15m of a public highway There is no such law. You can fire a gun from the middle of a public highway providing you have good reason, and you do not alarm or injure anyone using it. I forgot (or didn't know in the first place) about the "and do not alarm or injure ..." clause. A quick web hunt showed that subject to that it is illegal to discharge a firearm from within 50 feet of the centre of any highway (Highways act 1980, not firearms legislation) The bullet, shot or pellet mustn't cross your boundary unless your neighbour permits. The breast feathers of a pigeon can cushion pellets from a shotgun if they hit face-on. Head-shots are favourite, so 'practice makes pigeon'. I stand corrected on the details. Talking of which does anyone have any suggestions on how best to cook squirrel - I have the same problem with squirrels causing damage in my garden! Skin, gut and joint your squirrel. Put a couple of tablespoons of plain flour in a big mixing-bowl. Add some sea salt, ground celery seed, ground black pepper, marjoram or oregano and sage, and mix it in well. Put carrots, parsnip, swede &c into a casserole and cover with water (or stock) and bring it to the boil in the oven or in a microwave. Meanwhile, heat some oil in a pan and fry a couple of chopped onions in it, and garlic if you like it. When the onions are cooked, 'seal' the squirrel flesh by putting it into the hot pan and stirring it about until all the surface has turned a greyish white. Tip contents of pan into bowl and mix into the flour. Put squirrel and onions into casserole and if there is any loose oil and flour left, take some of the liquor and mix it into a thin paste, and add to the casserole. Mix it in well, and replace in oven at around 100° C, or in the microwave on defrost. Cook for an hour at least, or until meat comes off the bone. Ta for that ... now where's that casserole dish? ;-) JB |
What actually was the charge recently which put that Headmistress in prison for 5 months (or however long it was) for using an air rifle in the street because they were threatening her? Pam in Bristol |
"Pam Moore" wrote in message ... What actually was the charge recently which put that Headmistress in prison for 5 months (or however long it was) for using an air rifle in the street because they were threatening her? It was something along the lines of possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence. And affray, too. |
I think you are the verminous one. How utterly vile. What are the creatures
doing to deserve death? What kind of a world do we live in where we blast something we don't like into smithereens? You are the keeper of a small part of this beautiful earth, please treat everything in it with respect. Clare "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com" cliverholdenremove wrote in message ... Hi all, Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. Thinking about buying an air rifle. Do I need a license for one of these nowadays? Clive in Kent |
"BAC" wrote in message ... "Pam Moore" wrote in message ... What actually was the charge recently which put that Headmistress in prison for 5 months (or however long it was) for using an air rifle in the street because they were threatening her? It was something along the lines of possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence. And affray, too. Is an air rifle classified as a firearm? Steve |
On Wed, 11 May 2005 21:00:42 +0000 (UTC), "batgirl"
wrote: I think you are the verminous one. How utterly vile. What are the creatures doing to deserve death? What kind of a world do we live in where we blast something we don't like into smithereens? You are the keeper of a small part of this beautiful earth, please treat everything in it with respect. Everything? Does that include every plant and every slug? JB |
This land in which we live did not become the way it is by treating
everything in it with respect. If we left every living thing to its own devices we'd be living in a forest and you, dear batgirl, would have nowhere to live. Ben (on a top posting mission) "batgirl" wrote in message ... I think you are the verminous one. How utterly vile. What are the creatures doing to deserve death? What kind of a world do we live in where we blast something we don't like into smithereens? You are the keeper of a small part of this beautiful earth, please treat everything in it with respect. Clare "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com" cliverholdenremove wrote in message ... Hi all, Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. Thinking about buying an air rifle. Do I need a license for one of these nowadays? Clive in Kent |
" "Clive in Kent wrote Hi all, Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. Thinking about buying an air rifle. Do I need a license for one of these nowadays? Clare replied I think you are the verminous one. How utterly vile. What are the creatures doing to deserve death? What kind of a world do we live in where we blast something we don't like into smithereens? You are the keeper of a small part of this beautiful earth, please treat everything in it with respect. He will probably have the greatest respect as he pulls the trigger. Like the almost reverential respect, even love, shown by carp fisherman to the fish they catch. Personally I don't see the need to shoot the Wood Pigeons nesting in one of our Cordylines or the Grey squirrels that occasionally infest our Bird Table yet our next door neighbour catches them in traps. Some people go mad about other peoples cats in their gardens which again doesn't bother me one bit, Sue even feeds them (as I have just done to the local Hedgehog)! Perhaps if Clive would explain why he dislikes these creature in his garden, to those of us that find his desired actions strange and "over the top", we could understand where he is coming from. O.T. A steam train has just gone past, lovely hissing/clanking sound, the glow of the firebox..... amazing, wonderful, nostalgic. I suppose some people would complain about that too. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
Ben Clay wrote:
This land in which we live did not become the way it is by treating everything in it with respect. If we left every living thing to its own devices we'd be living in a forest and you, dear batgirl, would have nowhere to live. Ben (on a top posting mission) [...] ..posting-top love just I ..distinctions making of capable are us of some but ,thread this for hope little There's .preservation total meant "respect" said Nobody ..argument of level juvenile this with time our waste Don't (.posterese-top perfect into this all translate couldn't I Sorry) -- ..ekiM. |
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(Clive in Kent) wrote: Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. AIUI and IANAL killing the squirrel is legal (subject to restrictions on gun usage this thread) The pigeons are another matter being wild birds. ISTR that they have to be a public health hazard and you have to drive the bureaucracy correctly. Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com A useful bit of gardening software at http://www.netservs.com/garden/ |
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from "Mike Lyle" contains these words: Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from JB contains these words: You do not need a license for an air rifle with an energy of less that 12 ft lbs, which should be adequate to deal with most small vermin. The rules which might affect you are that you can not use an air rifle within 15m of a public highway There is no such law. You can fire a gun from the middle of a public highway providing you have good reason, and you do not alarm or injure anyone using it. You may have to have the permission of the controlling authority too, but I'm not sure about that. (But I can find out tonight.) [...] I'm not at all sure about this. There certainly did use to a be a rule about not discharging a firearm within n (40? 60?) feet of a public highway. I have a faint suspicion that it may even have been printed on the back of my old from-the-Post-Office gun licence. Nope. You may not discharge a firearm within a certain distance (whatever it is now) of the centre of a public highway if it could injure or alarm a user of said highway. If there is no-one using it at an alarming distance, you could discharge a cannon if you felt so inclined. (And held the necessary licences.) If you look at fields as you pass, you may see 'pegs' left by keepers which are well within the stated distance. Keepers, I need hardly add, can't afford to have any firearms convictions hanging round their necks. Anyhow, all this talk is utterly absurd. No inexperienced shot should go to the hassle and expense of buying and learning to use an air rifle to kill two pigeons and a squirrel. You either live with them, taking the usual precautions, or ask a regular shooter to deal with them. Quite so. However, I think the mooted acquisition was put by the OP? And if he is going to get one, he really ought to get instruction in safe shooting and care of gun - it isn't as straightforward as it might appear, even to the averagely sensible person. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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from Jupiter contains these words: Assuming he meant The Netherlands and not East Anglia? Is Lincolnshire (Lindsey, Kesteven and Holland) in East Anglia? Dunno, but there's a Holland in Essex, between Clacton and Frinton. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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from "shazzbat" contains these words: It was something along the lines of possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence. And affray, too. Is an air rifle classified as a firearm? Not in my book, but the police class it as a firearm, and record every minor transgression with an airgun and add them to their firearms offences file, to add credibility to their demands for more and more gun restrictions. I understand (at least in some forces) that this includes reports of someone who might be carrying a gun (or a chairleg?), and any incident where armed officers are deployed. I call it fraud. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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neB (gnitsop-pot llits) [...] .posting-top love just I .distinctions making of capable are us of some but ,thread this for hope little There's .preservation total meant "respect" said Nobody .argument of level juvenile this with time our waste Don't (.posterese-top perfect into this all translate couldn't I Sorry) -- .ekiM. "Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Ben Clay wrote: This land in which we live did not become the way it is by treating everything in it with respect. If we left every living thing to its own devices we'd be living in a forest and you, dear batgirl, would have nowhere to live. Ben (on a top posting mission) |
batgirl wrote:
I think you are the verminous one. How utterly vile. What are the creatures doing to deserve death? What kind of a world do we live in where we blast something we don't like into smithereens? You are the keeper of a small part of this beautiful earth, please treat everything in it with respect. but clare, we DO like them! they are very tasty, blasting them to smithereens would make them inedible so we don't do it (and air weapons must have come on a long way if they are capable of it anyway). Do grow up, there's a good girl. |
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
I believe you are correct - you have to be able to show that you've tried to discourage them until you're at your wit's end, now you come to mention it. quite incorrect. general licence to shoot any time of year as an agricultural pest. health hazzaed irrrelevant. you don't personally have to show that you've tried everything else: everything else has been tried - and failed - for very many years. The local Head Keeper was commenting on this quite recently. typical 'they are all out to get us' mentality and quite untrue (and I'm an active beater and game-shot) |
"Derek Turner" somewhat@odds wrote in message ... batgirl wrote: I think you are the verminous one. How utterly vile. What are the creatures doing to deserve death? What kind of a world do we live in where we blast something we don't like into smithereens? You are the keeper of a small part of this beautiful earth, please treat everything in it with respect. but clare, we DO like them! they are very tasty, blasting them to smithereens would make them inedible so we don't do it (and air weapons must have come on a long way if they are capable of it anyway). Do grow up, there's a good girl. My .177 pellet air gun does a fine job at 1000feet per second velocity.....takes down rabbits, squirrels etc. with ease....wonder if I am playing fair using the telescopic sights...,,,I feed 'em to the coyotes.....HW |
Pam Moore wrote:
What actually was the charge recently which put that Headmistress in prison for 5 months (or however long it was) for using an air rifle in the street because they were threatening her? She fired some shots from a CO2 gas-charged air pistol into the pavement, and told the police that she had an air rifle too. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/ma.../04/ngun04.xml She was convicted of Affrey, and later "possessing a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...09/nwalk09.xml She has been granted a conditional discharge and is no longer in prison; however, her convictions stand, as IMO they should. |
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I agree with Clare entirely. There is absolutely no need to shoot squirrels and wood pigeons for the sake of garden plants. I'm not a tree-hugging, knit your own muesli, animal activist - but I think you need to get a sense of perspective here. Zoe |
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message from (Steve Harris) contains these words: In article , (Clive in Kent) wrote: Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. AIUI and IANAL killing the squirrel is legal (subject to restrictions on gun usage this thread) The pigeons are another matter being wild birds. ISTR that they have to be a public health hazard and you have to drive the bureaucracy correctly. I believe you are correct - you have to be able to show that you've tried to discourage them until you're at your wit's end, now you come to mention it. This is a likely an unintentional effect of legislation. Current thinking goes that over time, all deterrent methods have been shown to be ineffective, and the only thing that dows work is to shoot them and put them in pies^W^W^W^W^W. |
"shazzbat" wrote in message ... "BAC" wrote in message ... "Pam Moore" wrote in message ... What actually was the charge recently which put that Headmistress in prison for 5 months (or however long it was) for using an air rifle in the street because they were threatening her? It was something along the lines of possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence. And affray, too. Is an air rifle classified as a firearm? I believe it must be, in order for the lady to have been convicted of that charge. I also understand the same law applies to replica firearms, or even plastic toys used to threaten people. |
On Thu, 12 May 2005 01:55:00 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: I believe you are correct - you have to be able to show that you've tried to discourage them until you're at your wit's end, now you come to mention it. I understood that current guidelines were that you should be able to show that shooting was necessary and other measures were not effective, which is not the same as showing that you have tried all other measures. You don't have to try trapping first just to be able to argue that trapping is nonselective. Usual provisos apply - i.e. without looking up a reference I may of course be wrong. JB |
"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message k... The message from Jupiter contains these words: Assuming he meant The Netherlands and not East Anglia? Is Lincolnshire (Lindsey, Kesteven and Holland) in East Anglia? Dunno, but there's a Holland in Essex, between Clacton and Frinton. Next question, is all of Essex classed as East Anglia? |
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