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Daisy, Buttercup, Dettles and Doc.
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A word of advice wanted please. I have just re-laid a lawn with turf and part of the area is a partly created and partly natural bank. We have decided to allow the bank to go to meadow for ease of mowing and also because we have added a 8ft sleeper sticking out of the ground where we have covered it in bird feeders etc. We have planted in seed trays, foxglove, poppy, ox eye daisy, cowslip, primrose and other natural flowers that we plan to plant as plugs later in the year. One thing I want to also add is buttercup and the smaller daisy you see in lawns and also another area towards the bottom of the garden we would like to add nettles and doc. The question is would we be breaking the any laws if we wereto find a spot by the side of the road where nettles, daisy and buttercups grow and dig up some of the plants to transplant into our bank and the patch at the bottom of the garden to give it a head start. Any advice welcome please. Thanks Steve -- The UK SpeedTrap Guide" @ www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk The UK Weather Guide" @ www.ukstorms.com |
On Sat, 14 May 2005 17:28:10 +0000 (UTC), "Steve -
www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk" wrote: Hi A word of advice wanted please. I have just re-laid a lawn with turf and part of the area is a partly created and partly natural bank. We have decided to allow the bank to go to meadow for ease of mowing and also because we have added a 8ft sleeper sticking out of the ground where we have covered it in bird feeders etc. We have planted in seed trays, foxglove, poppy, ox eye daisy, cowslip, primrose and other natural flowers that we plan to plant as plugs later in the year. One thing I want to also add is buttercup and the smaller daisy you see in lawns and also another area towards the bottom of the garden we would like to add nettles and doc. The question is would we be breaking the any laws if we wereto find a spot by the side of the road where nettles, daisy and buttercups grow and dig up some of the plants to transplant into our bank and the patch at the bottom of the garden to give it a head start. Any advice welcome please. Thanks Steve You might need to consider location and growing conditions for these wild plants. It's better if you can reproduce, as far as possible, the natural habitat - and they'll grow better. Foxgloves are a woodland plant and like damp soil with some shade. Poppies like it fairly hot and dry. Buttercups prefer it quite wet and can be rampant, spreading via rootlets and being difficult to control. Nettles like a rich deep soil and plenty of moisture - hence their liking for ditches and stream banks - for the proper lush growth. If conditions aren't suitable they'll be scrawny without the deep green colour. Docks tend to grow in thin poor soils. Although by repute you'll find them near nettles (as the antidote for the stings!) they don't grow in intimate association with them. I think you can buy meadow seed mixtures for direct sowing which include grasses and the common wild flowers. |
On Sat, 14 May 2005 17:28:10 +0000 (UTC), "Steve -
www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk" wrote: Hi A word of advice wanted please. I have just re-laid a lawn with turf and part of the area is a partly created and partly natural bank. We have decided to allow the bank to go to meadow for ease of mowing and also because we have added a 8ft sleeper sticking out of the ground where we have covered it in bird feeders etc. We have planted in seed trays, foxglove, poppy, ox eye daisy, cowslip, primrose and other natural flowers that we plan to plant as plugs later in the year. One thing I want to also add is buttercup and the smaller daisy you see in lawns and also another area towards the bottom of the garden we would like to add nettles and doc. The question is would we be breaking the any laws if we wereto find a spot by the side of the road where nettles, daisy and buttercups grow and dig up some of the plants to transplant into our bank and the patch at the bottom of the garden to give it a head start. Any advice welcome please. Thanks Steve I found a website which might be helpful - www.meadowmania.co.uk which includes notes of meadow planning and has seed mixtures with and without grass. No connection with them and haven't dealt with them |
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The question is would we be breaking the any laws if we wereto find a spot by the side of the road where nettles, daisy and buttercups grow and dig up some of the plants to transplant into our bank and the patch at the bottom of the garden to give it a head start. Steve., Your answer is at 'Plants and Flowers' on this site. http://www.lawteacher.net/Criminal/P...%20Lecture.htm Regards, Emrys Davies. |
Emrys Davies wrote:
"Steve - asked: The question is would we be breaking the any laws if we wereto find a spot by the side of the road where nettles, daisy and buttercups grow and dig up some of the plants to transplant into our bank and the patch at the bottom of the garden to give it a head start. Steve., Your answer is at 'Plants and Flowers' on this site. http://www.lawteacher.net/Criminal/P...%20Lecture.htm You can always ask the owner for a few daisies if you don't fancy highway robbery: they spread quickly if not smothered. You can get seed from roadside ox-eyes in late summer: they do better in long grass than the litle ones. Nettles and docks will arrive by themselves. Buttercups, as has already been mentioned, may become a nuisance: bulbous are slightly less invasive than creeping. -- Mike. |
"Steve - www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk" wrote in message ... Hi A word of advice wanted please. I have just re-laid a lawn with turf and part of the area is a partly created and partly natural bank. We have decided to allow the bank to go to meadow for ease of mowing and also because we have added a 8ft sleeper sticking out of the ground where we have covered it in bird feeders etc. Where are you? Cheshire has wildflower sites where you can help yourself to seeds. We found Wheeldon Copse near Delamere. (Having just paid over £100 for seeds from the National Wildflower Centre) I've been trying to create a wildflower meadow on a bank by a pond (caravan site) for three years. 'Making wildflower gardens' by Pam Lewis - Sticky Wicket, Dorset- is a mine of information. You need to remove all the fertile soil off your bank. Bring the impoverished subsoil to the top. Old english wildflowers don't like rich soil and they'll be swamped by couch grass and other nasties.Of my fifty metre long meadow bank only about ten metres have shown prolific growth of poppies, cornflower, red campion, wild carrot and a few others. Couch grass has seen to the rest. Your idea of using plugs is good and I'll be trying that as well. It's such a struggle that I've taken to putting other stuff in there just for some colour. Raising some Lavatera at the moment. May not be strictly wildflowers but not many will notice. DaveK. |
"Steve - www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk" wrote in message ... Hi A word of advice wanted please. snip The question is would we be breaking the any laws if we wereto find a spot by the side of the road where nettles, daisy and buttercups grow and dig up some of the plants to transplant into our bank and the patch at the bottom of the garden to give it a head start. It is an offence under the 1981 Countryside Protection Act to remove 'any' plant from the wild. -- ned http://www.bugsandweeds.co.uk last update 10.05.2005 |
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... "Steve - www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk" wrote in message ... Hi A word of advice wanted please. snip The question is would we be breaking the any laws if we wereto find a spot by the side of the road where nettles, daisy and buttercups grow and dig up some of the plants to transplant into our bank and the patch at the bottom of the garden to give it a head start. It is an offence under the 1981 Countryside Protection Act to remove 'any' plant from the wild. -- ned http://www.bugsandweeds.co.uk last update 10.05.2005 Thanks for all the useful answers.. I have located a friends garden with nettles, so he gets a free weeding and with the link to the Meadow site I will now stick with plugs bought or self grown. I think the soil may be my only problem. Regards Steve The UK SpeedTrap Guide" @ www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk The UK Weather Guide" @ www.ukstorms.com |
On Sat, 14 May 2005 21:59:01 +0100, "ned" wrote:
It is an offence under the 1981 Countryside Protection Act to remove 'any' plant from the wild. Out of curiosity, does that include obvious 'garden escapes'? -- Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net |
"Steve wrote Thanks for all the useful answers.. I have located a friends garden with nettles, so he gets a free weeding and with the link to the Meadow site I will now stick with plugs bought or self grown. I think the soil may be my only problem. The chap wants Buttercups, he WANTS Buttercups ? !!!!!..........and nettles....... Now calm down Bob...... Steve, if you are anywhere near me I have a few on my allotments, also some other "wild flowers" you might like...mutter, mutter, mutter............ :-) -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
... "Steve wrote Thanks for all the useful answers.. I have located a friends garden with nettles, so he gets a free weeding and with the link to the Meadow site I will now stick with plugs bought or self grown. I think the soil may be my only problem. The chap wants Buttercups, he WANTS Buttercups ? !!!!!..........and nettles....... Now calm down Bob...... Steve, if you are anywhere near me I have a few on my allotments, also some other "wild flowers" you might like...mutter, mutter, mutter............ :-) -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London Thanks for the offer Bob, I been ropped into one garden clear out for someones benefit and I am not sure yet if its my benefit. Thanks Steve |
In article , Bob Hobden
writes The chap wants Buttercups, he WANTS Buttercups ? !!!!!..........and nettles....... Now calm down Bob...... Steve, if you are anywhere near me I have a few on my allotments, also some other "wild flowers" you might like...mutter, mutter, mutter............ :-) Yes, do calm down Bob. Our organic system of gardening depends on having plenty of nettles available for composting, insect repellent infusions, liquid plant feed etc. etc. For further details see the urg nettle FAQ at: http://www.nugget.demon.co.uk/MetaFAQ/nettle.html AND we welcome buttercups on our lawn and in our wildflower/wildlife areas, along with many other naturally grown plants. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Sat, 14 May 2005 21:59:01 +0100, "ned" wrote: It is an offence under the 1981 Countryside Protection Act to remove 'any' plant from the wild. Out of curiosity, does that include obvious 'garden escapes'? Once its in the wild - its wild. You can bet that the legislators never thought of all the consequences. The proper title of the act should be:- The Wildlife and Countryside Protection Act, 1981. -- ned http://www.bugsandweeds.co.uk last update 10.05.2005 |
"Alan Gould" wrote after Bob Hobden writes The chap wants Buttercups, he WANTS Buttercups ? !!!!!..........and nettles....... Now calm down Bob...... Steve, if you are anywhere near me I have a few on my allotments, also some other "wild flowers" you might like...mutter, mutter, mutter............ :-) Yes, do calm down Bob. Our organic system of gardening depends on having plenty of nettles available for composting, insect repellent infusions, liquid plant feed etc. etc. For further details see the urg nettle FAQ at: http://www.nugget.demon.co.uk/MetaFAQ/nettle.html AND we welcome buttercups on our lawn and in our wildflower/wildlife areas, along with many other naturally grown plants. -- Nettles are OK, although not on where one cultivates, it's too painful if you grab a handful with other weeds. Good for the wildlife especially butterflies, and also good for the arthritis if you get stung. Not tried "organic" chemicals for pest control so can't comment. But Buttercups, these I wage a constant war on, if you don't get the whole root out whilst digging they come back up again and they multiply alarmingly. Amazes me that anyone would want such things near a cultivated garden plot. In a totally separate wildlife garden then OK. Our site is a 9.6 acre wildlife garden except for 4 plots 2 of which are ours so we don't have to think about giving wildlife somewhere, it's more about fighting to keep wildlife off our plots/veg. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
In article , Bob Hobden
writes Not tried "organic" chemicals for pest control so can't comment. Chemicals such as insecticides, herbicides and fungicides are not used in organic systems. In a totally separate wildlife garden then OK. Our site is a 9.6 acre wildlife garden except for 4 plots 2 of which are ours so we don't have to think about giving wildlife somewhere, it's more about fighting to keep wildlife off our plots/veg. Each gardener to their own way of gardening. We work with nature and we find it very rewarding. We would find it very stressful to fight nature. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
"Alan Gould" wrote uk... Bob Hobden writes Not tried "organic" chemicals for pest control so can't comment. Chemicals such as insecticides, herbicides and fungicides are not used in organic systems. In a totally separate wildlife garden then OK. Our site is a 9.6 acre wildlife garden except for 4 plots 2 of which are ours so we don't have to think about giving wildlife somewhere, it's more about fighting to keep wildlife off our plots/veg. Each gardener to their own way of gardening. We work with nature and we find it very rewarding. We would find it very stressful to fight nature. Interesting comment when you just said you use "organic" chemicals to control insect damage. No doubt you also use other methods like fleece, cloches, netting etc all of which is fighting nature. Digging, weeding, watering, pruning......is all fighting nature. If we don't fight nature we would have no leeks (Leek Moth), no brassicas (Flea Beatle) and no peas or beans (Pea & Bean Weevil). Doesn't leave much. :-) Mind you with the withdrawal of synthetic chemicals from the private gardener we might all have to resort to "organic" chemicals of unknown compounds and strength or give up growing our own food and buy Organic (TM). Never! -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
Bob Hobden wrote:
"Alan Gould" wrote uk... [...] We would find it very stressful to fight nature. Interesting comment when you just said you use "organic" chemicals to control insect damage. No doubt you also use other methods like fleece, cloches, netting etc all of which is fighting nature. Digging, weeding, watering, pruning......is all fighting nature. If we don't fight nature we would have no leeks (Leek Moth), no brassicas (Flea Beatle) and no peas or beans (Pea & Bean Weevil). Doesn't leave much. :-) Mind you with the withdrawal of synthetic chemicals from the private gardener we might all have to resort to "organic" chemicals of unknown compounds and strength or give up growing our own food and buy Organic (TM). Never! Oh dear! Here we go again! Why not just ask straight out "How dare organic gardeners wear clothes?" Let's not pretend that those on either side of the argument are stupid. No doubt some on both sides are, but that's irrelevant. And some of them, such as you, simply like a good old cheerful punch-up. I suggest a new subject-line prefix, analogous to "OT": "PUP" standing for "Punch-Up, Please". -- Mike. |
In article , Bob Hobden
writes Interesting comment when you just said you use "organic" chemicals to control insect damage. AFAIK I have never referred to 'organic chemicals' in the recognised horticultural sense of the expression because no such thing exists. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO
VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes Oh dear! Here we go again! Why not just ask straight out "How dare organic gardeners wear clothes?" Let's not pretend that those on either side of the argument are stupid. No doubt some on both sides are, but that's irrelevant. And some of them, such as you, simply like a good old cheerful punch-up. I suggest a new subject-line prefix, analogous to "OT": "PUP" standing for "Punch-Up, Please". There's no need for any punch up. The subject of organic gardening is fully detailed in the urg FAQ on the subject at: http://www.nugget.demon.co.uk/MetaFA...gardening.html -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
Alan Gould wrote:
In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes Oh dear! Here we go again! Why not just ask straight out "How dare organic gardeners wear clothes?" Let's not pretend that those on either side of the argument are stupid. No doubt some on both sides are, but that's irrelevant. And some of them, such as you, simply like a good old cheerful punch-up. I suggest a new subject-line prefix, analogous to "OT": "PUP" standing for "Punch-Up, Please". There's no need for any punch up. The subject of organic gardening is fully detailed in the urg FAQ on the subject at: http://www.nugget.demon.co.uk/MetaFA...gardening.html My point entirely; but if Bob wants to play, I'll play. The difference will be that, though arguing in quite the same ludic spirit, I'll actually mean it. I won't, for example, say that if he doesn't like eating organic things he'd better restrict his diet to minerals, which was about the level of his sighting shots. I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). -- Mike. |
In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO
VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes There's no need for any punch up. The subject of organic gardening is fully detailed in the urg FAQ on the subject at: http://www.nugget.demon.co.uk/MetaFA...gardening.html My point entirely; but if Bob wants to play, I'll play. The difference will be that, though arguing in quite the same ludic spirit, I'll actually mean it. I won't, for example, say that if he doesn't like eating organic things he'd better restrict his diet to minerals, which was about the level of his sighting shots. I've even been told that I shouldn't take Dr.prescribed medications! I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Yes, where is dear old Franz lately? He really was not able to grasp the concept of organic gardening because he was trying to relate it to his own very different ways. I will willingly discuss and explain organic methods for anyone who wants to know about it. They don't need to either like the system or agree with it, but if they want to knock it, they would be able to do that much better if they know something about it. Unfortunately it too often goes back to deliberate mis-definitions of the words 'organic' and 'chemical' in the context of gardening, as Bob has just sadly shown. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
Alan Gould wrote:
In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes [...] I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Yes, where is dear old Franz lately? [...] He's been missing from sci.physics for some weeks, too. I took the liberty of dropping an email three weeks ago, but have had no reply. -- Mike. |
"Alan Gould" wrote t I will willingly discuss and explain organic methods for anyone who wants to know about it. They don't need to either like the system or agree with it, but if they want to knock it, they would be able to do that much better if they know something about it. Unfortunately it too often goes back to deliberate mis-definitions of the words 'organic' and 'chemical' in the context of gardening, as Bob has just sadly shown. How can one discuss sensibly with organic growers of veg who constantly talk about working with nature when they fight nature just as much as any other gardener, they dig, they cover the ground to smother it, they fertilise, they weed, they stake, they water, they remove butterfly eggs and caterpillars, they spray with plant extracts (chemicals) of unknown strength, and worse, they make up the brew themselves so have little idea of the chemical compounds involved and their effect on wildlife( sorry they aren't chemicals are they, they must be magic then. Get real, some of our best chemicals came from plants originally and some kill). Work with nature indeed! They just fight to control it another way. -- Regards Bob (who gardens with as little synthetic or otherwise chemicals as he can get away with) In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
"Mike Lyle" wrote . My point entirely; but if Bob wants to play, I'll play. The difference will be that, though arguing in quite the same ludic spirit, I'll actually mean it. I won't, for example, say that if he doesn't like eating organic things he'd better restrict his diet to minerals, which was about the level of his sighting shots. I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Can't read or do you need glasses Mike? Perhaps Franz was fed up with silly comments such as yours above, unrelated to the thread as written, just so you can have a go. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
Bob Hobden wrote:
"Mike Lyle" wrote . My point entirely; but if Bob wants to play, I'll play. The difference will be that, though arguing in quite the same ludic spirit, I'll actually mean it. I won't, for example, say that if he doesn't like eating organic things he'd better restrict his diet to minerals, which was about the level of his sighting shots. I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Can't read or do you need glasses Mike? Perhaps Franz was fed up with silly comments such as yours above, unrelated to the thread as written, just so you can have a go. I'm afraid it may be more serious than that, Bob. He hasn't appeared in sci.physics since 18 March. -- Mike. |
In article , Bob Hobden
writes Work with nature indeed! They just fight to control it another way. Wrong Bob, all wrong. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
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from "Mike Lyle" contains these words: Alan Gould wrote: In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes [...] I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Yes, where is dear old Franz lately? [...] He's been missing from sci.physics for some weeks, too. I took the liberty of dropping an email three weeks ago, but have had no reply. Funny, I was wondering that, too. I do hope he's OK. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Alan Gould" wrote ... Work with nature indeed! They just fight to control it another way. Wrong Bob, all wrong. If you really believe that then good luck to you. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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