Can I take water from dykes?
Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of
water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? MM |
MM wrote:
Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? MM |
MM wrote:
Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just now, but that may be a transient condition: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I know what you mean. -- Mike. |
On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
wrote: MM wrote: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just now, but that may be a transient condition: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I know what you mean. Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. MM |
martin wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: MM wrote: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just now, but that may be a transient condition: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I know what you mean. Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? 20 metric tonnes. |
On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:07:22 +0200, martin wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: MM wrote: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just now, but that may be a transient condition: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I know what you mean. Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? I'm not about to extract all 20 in one go! A water butt from B&Q contains around 200 litres. That would do for starters. MM |
On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:51:32 +0100, "Martin"
wrote: martin wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: MM wrote: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just now, but that may be a transient condition: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I know what you mean. Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? 20 metric tonnes. What conversion factor are you using? MM |
MM wrote:
:: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:51:32 +0100, "Martin" :: wrote: :: ::: martin wrote: :::: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM :::: wrote: :::: ::::: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" ::::: wrote: ::::: :::::: MM wrote: ::::::: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The ::::::: amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water ::::::: supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those ::::::: old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a ::::::: container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone ::::::: who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? :::::: :::::: It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, :::::: which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an :::::: abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just :::::: now, but that may be a transient condition: :::::: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e :::::: :::::: But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd :::::: check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I :::::: know what you mean. ::::: ::::: Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a ::::: bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very ::::: interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting ::::: a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers ::::: outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. ::::: You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one ::::: of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of ::::: Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea ::::: of getting something for nothing that appeals. :::: :::: Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? ::: ::: 20 metric tonnes. :: :: What conversion factor are you using? :: :: MM There's dozens on google, this is one of them: http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_materials.htm -- If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs. |
"MM" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:51:32 +0100, "Martin" wrote: martin wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: MM wrote: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just now, but that may be a transient condition: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I know what you mean. Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? 20 metric tonnes. What conversion factor are you using? As with most substances the density of water varies with temperature. It also varies with purity. At 20 degrees celcius, pure water has a mass of around 0.998203g per cc, so a cubic metre weighs around 0.998203 tonnes which is surely as near to a tonne as makes no difference for gardening purposes. Neil. |
In article , MM
writes On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:51:32 +0100, "Martin" wrote: Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? 20 metric tonnes. What conversion factor are you using? It's inherent in the way the metric system is defined. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
On Sun, 15 May 2005 21:00:54 GMT, "Phil L"
wrote: MM wrote: :: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:51:32 +0100, "Martin" :: wrote: :: ::: martin wrote: :::: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM :::: wrote: :::: ::::: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" ::::: wrote: ::::: :::::: MM wrote: ::::::: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The ::::::: amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water ::::::: supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those ::::::: old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a ::::::: container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone ::::::: who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? :::::: :::::: It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, :::::: which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an :::::: abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just :::::: now, but that may be a transient condition: :::::: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e :::::: :::::: But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd :::::: check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I :::::: know what you mean. ::::: ::::: Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a ::::: bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very ::::: interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting ::::: a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers ::::: outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. ::::: You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one ::::: of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of ::::: Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea ::::: of getting something for nothing that appeals. :::: :::: Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? ::: ::: 20 metric tonnes. :: :: What conversion factor are you using? :: :: MM There's dozens on google, this is one of them: It was a trick question! Oh, why do I bother... ;) MM |
On Sun, 15 May 2005 22:18:14 +0100, Kay
wrote: In article , MM writes On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:51:32 +0100, "Martin" wrote: Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? 20 metric tonnes. What conversion factor are you using? It's inherent in the way the metric system is defined. No! Really? Clever lot, those French. MM |
"martin" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? Or how much the petrol will cost to get it home? Or how much the container to hold it will cost? Waste of time and money, I call it. -- Brian "Reality rarely lives up to TV, usually because reality has a smaller budget and the opportunities for retakes are minimal." |
MM wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:07:22 +0200, martin wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: MM wrote: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just now, but that may be a transient condition: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I know what you mean. Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? I'm not about to extract all 20 in one go! A water butt from B&Q contains around 200 litres. That would do for starters. By the time you have used petrol to drive to the dyke, and the trailer with suitable container to hold the water, driven back with a full load, it would have been cheaper to pay fro metered water. purebred poultry www.geocities.com/fenlandfowl |
In message , pammyT
writes By the time you have used petrol to drive to the dyke, and the trailer with suitable container to hold the water, driven back with a full load, it would have been cheaper to pay fro metered water. purebred poultry www.geocities.com/fenlandfowl But not half as much fun :-P I suppose there is the feeling of beating the system in some way. But there must be less exhausting ways -- Sue Begg Do not mess in the affairs of dragons - for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! |
On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:10:02 +0100, "pammyT"
wrote: MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:07:22 +0200, martin wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: MM wrote: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just now, but that may be a transient condition: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I know what you mean. Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? I'm not about to extract all 20 in one go! A water butt from B&Q contains around 200 litres. That would do for starters. By the time you have used petrol to drive to the dyke, Around here,you can spit in anydirection and have it end up in a dyke. It would cost me, ooh, 25 pence in petrol (5 minutes' drive, stop engine, pump, 5 minutes' back). and the trailer with suitable container to hold the water, driven back with a full load, it would have been cheaper to pay fro metered water. But not as satisfying. MM |
On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:38 +0100, "Brian Watson"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? Or how much the petrol will cost to get it home? Or how much the container to hold it will cost? Waste of time and money, I call it. You don't fancy the Good Life, then? MM |
"Neil Tonks" wrote in message ... "MM" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:51:32 +0100, "Martin" wrote: martin wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: MM wrote: Around here in the Fens there are dykes everywhere. The amount of water going for free is incredible. (My water supply is metered.) I thought, why can't I get one of those old-fashioned stirrup pumps and pump some out into a container. But then I thought, ah, there's sure to be someone who'll say, you can't do that. What's the law? It seems you can help yourself to up to 20 cubic metres a day, which is a lot for a stirrup-pump! After that, you need an abstraction licence. The following site took ages to load just now, but that may be a transient condition: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...75517/?lang=_e But the dyke may be some sort of private property, so I'd check. Not that you could use a stirrup-pump anyhow, but I know what you mean. Goodness! 20 cubic metres a day! That'd be enough to have a bath as well occasionally! Crikey. Thanks for that. Very interesting. Now all I need to do is work out a way of fitting a tank into my car! Although I did see that the Erde trailers outside Halfords are very cheap. The smaller one was only £149. You'd get a lot of water in a plastic tank on the back of one of those. Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? 20 metric tonnes. What conversion factor are you using? As with most substances the density of water varies with temperature. It also varies with purity. At 20 degrees celcius, pure water has a mass of around 0.998203g per cc, so a cubic metre weighs around 0.998203 tonnes which is surely as near to a tonne as makes no difference for gardening purposes. 1 Cubic metre of water *at 4 deg C* = 1 tonne. for most calculations this is regarded as the normal measuring standard, since water is at its densest at this temperature. Steve |
"Sue Begg" wrote in message ... In message , pammyT writes By the time you have used petrol to drive to the dyke, and the trailer with suitable container to hold the water, driven back with a full load, it would have been cheaper to pay fro metered water. purebred poultry www.geocities.com/fenlandfowl But not half as much fun :-P I suppose there is the feeling of beating the system in some way. But there must be less exhausting ways -- Sue Begg Do not mess in the affairs of dragons - for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Dig a well, the water table can not be that far down if you have dykes nearby, all our water comes from the well. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:38 +0100, "Brian Watson"
wrote: ~ ~"martin" wrote in message .. . ~ On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: ~ ~On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: ~ ~ Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic ~metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the ~idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. ~ ~ Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? ~ ~Or how much the petrol will cost to get it home? Or how much the container ~to hold it will cost? ~ ~Waste of time and money, I call it. ~ Yes, but in a country which is heading for hosepipe bans due to a shortage of clean water this summer, surely getting water directly from a dyke will be much greener, as it's not been expensively purified, saves using drinking water and is in any case gradually making its way to the sea? If it's not far away, and therefore not much in the way of petrol, then surely it's a good idea? Especially if it's fun! jane, who had a lot of fun wiring up her lottie shed to a water butt the other week. Course it's hardly rained since... typical! |
On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:19:25 +0100, Janet Baraclough
wrote: ~The message ~from (jane) contains these words: ~ ~ Yes, but in a country which is heading for hosepipe bans due to a ~ shortage of clean water this summer, surely getting water directly ~ from a dyke will be much greener, as it's not been expensively ~ purified, saves using drinking water and is in any case gradually ~ making its way to the sea? ~ ~ Is it? Or is it gradually seeping back to some deep aquifer from ~which dry areas' essential water supply is drawn? Or pumped onto arable ~crops? ~ ~ Janet. Which are equally as good a use I suspect, but in general most of the dykes in Lincolnshire seem to drain into the Hundred Foot Drain and its ilk, and thence to the sea. http://www.answers.com/topic/the-fens now you've got me looking :) -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
"MM" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:38 +0100, "Brian Watson" wrote: Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? Or how much the petrol will cost to get it home? Or how much the container to hold it will cost? Waste of time and money, I call it. You don't fancy the Good Life, then? I have the good life. :-) -- Brian "I'd like to be a bit taller and thinner and have more hair and a bigger willy. But by and large, I am content." |
"jane" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:38 +0100, "Brian Watson" wrote: ~Waste of time and money, I call it. ~ Yes, but in a country which is heading for hosepipe bans due to a shortage of clean water this summer, surely getting water directly from a dyke will be much greener, as it's not been expensively purified, saves using drinking water and is in any case gradually making its way to the sea? If it's not far away, and therefore not much in the way of petrol, then surely it's a good idea? Especially if it's fun! Except it's taking something that isn't yours. -- Brian "Anyway, if you have been, thanks for listening." |
In article , "Brian Watson" writes: | "jane" wrote in message | ... | | Yes, but in a country which is heading for hosepipe bans due to a | shortage of clean water this summer, surely getting water directly | from a dyke will be much greener, as it's not been expensively | purified, saves using drinking water and is in any case gradually | making its way to the sea? | | If it's not far away, and therefore not much in the way of petrol, | then surely it's a good idea? Especially if it's fun! | | Except it's taking something that isn't yours. You do that whenever you draw breath. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , "Brian Watson" writes: "jane" wrote in message ... Yes, but in a country which is heading for hosepipe bans due to a shortage of clean water this summer, surely getting water directly from a dyke will be much greener, as it's not been expensively purified, saves using drinking water and is in any case gradually making its way to the sea? If it's not far away, and therefore not much in the way of petrol, then surely it's a good idea? Especially if it's fun! Except it's taking something that isn't yours. You do that whenever you draw breath. And in any case, as we have seen, he's entitled to 20m^3 a day. Anybody taking bets on how long he keeps it up? -- Mike. |
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 17:57:46 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
wrote: Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , "Brian Watson" writes: "jane" wrote in message ... Yes, but in a country which is heading for hosepipe bans due to a shortage of clean water this summer, surely getting water directly from a dyke will be much greener, as it's not been expensively purified, saves using drinking water and is in any case gradually making its way to the sea? If it's not far away, and therefore not much in the way of petrol, then surely it's a good idea? Especially if it's fun! Except it's taking something that isn't yours. You do that whenever you draw breath. And in any case, as we have seen, he's entitled to 20m^3 a day. Anybody taking bets on how long he keeps it up? Hang about! I've yet to buy a stirrup pump! As for Watson saying 'Except it's taking something that isn't yours", how prissy can one be? We have already established that the EA allows it up to 20 cubic meters a day! MM |
Farmers can "buy" water for extraction under licence but I believe these licences can be revoked if there is a drought.
It is actually illegal to withdraw water for a watermill and return it to the river except under licence! In England you also need a rod licence to go fishing. Move to Scotland! In Orkney nobody owns the lochs under viking law so fishing on the lochs is free. If you are a landowner with a large run-off should the water board pay you for the water provided by your acrerage? |
"MM" wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 May 2005 17:57:46 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: And in any case, as we have seen, he's entitled to 20m^3 a day. Anybody taking bets on how long he keeps it up? Hang about! I've yet to buy a stirrup pump! As for Watson saying 'Except it's taking something that isn't yours", how prissy can one be? We have already established that the EA allows it up to 20 cubic meters a day! I'll have you know I was Mr Prissy 1969. Enough of yer cheek. -- Brian "Anyway, if you have been, thanks for listening." |
"pammyT" wrote in message ... MM wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2005 08:18:30 +0000 (UTC), (jane) wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:38 +0100, "Brian Watson" wrote: ~ ~"martin" wrote in message .. . ~ On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: ~ ~On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: ~ ~ Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic ~metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the ~idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. ~ ~ Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? ~ ~Or how much the petrol will cost to get it home? Or how much the container ~to hold it will cost? ~ ~Waste of time and money, I call it. ~ Yes, but in a country which is heading for hosepipe bans due to a shortage of clean water this summer, surely getting water directly from a dyke will be much greener, as it's not been expensively purified, saves using drinking water and is in any case gradually making its way to the sea? If it's not far away, and therefore not much in the way of petrol, then surely it's a good idea? Especially if it's fun! jane, who had a lot of fun wiring up her lottie shed to a water butt the other week. Course it's hardly rained since... typical! Ah, Jane, butts! I am thinking of getting one and piping it into the downpipe from the guttering around my house. Apparently B&Q do a contraption to redirect the rainwater into the butt which one can fit into the downpipe somehow. What sort of a job is it? I am a very effective DIY person! MM It is very simple indeed. I got one supplied with my water butt. All you have to do IIRC is cut through the downpipe and put the diverter in place and realign the downpipe sections. However I have been pondering this. If one needs the water from the butt, to water your garden during dry spells, how will the butt get filled in the first place if the garden is dry because of a dry spell?? When it rains, it waters the garden *and* fills the butt. Then when it's a dry spell, you've got a butt full of water. If it's a long dry spell, you're toast. And so are your plants. Steve |
shazzbat wrote:
"pammyT" wrote in message [...] However I have been pondering this. If one needs the water from the butt, to water your garden during dry spells, how will the butt get filled in the first place if the garden is dry because of a dry spell?? When it rains, it waters the garden *and* fills the butt. Then when it's a dry spell, you've got a butt full of water. If it's a long dry spell, you're toast. And so are your plants. I'm going to keep on saying this till I'm green in the face. Most plants in most situations in most parts of the British Isles in most years (maybe decades) do not need watering once they're established. You plant them properly in the first place in properly prepared soil, mulch as necessary, and just let them grow. -- Mike. |
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Mike Lyle wrote: shazzbat wrote: "pammyT" wrote in message [...] However I have been pondering this. If one needs the water from the butt, to water your garden during dry spells, how will the butt get filled in the first place if the garden is dry because of a dry spell?? When it rains, it waters the garden *and* fills the butt. Then when it's a dry spell, you've got a butt full of water. If it's a long dry spell, you're toast. And so are your plants. I'm going to keep on saying this till I'm green in the face. Most plants in most situations in most parts of the British Isles in most years (maybe decades) do not need watering once they're established. You plant them properly in the first place in properly prepared soil, mulch as necessary, and just let them grow. Well, that is too simplistic. In a really dry year, the soil in my garden has been dust dry (as in the tropics) on the surface, with no usable water for at least 1', perhaps 2', down. Established, drought resistant plants can cope, but they suffer badly in the recent wet winters. That is suffer badly as in often die. Some plants I couldn't grow at all, even in totally shaded locations, though I have started to do so again. Chives, mint and even things like tarragon were all very difficult 10-20 years ago, and don't even dream of primulas. However, in recent years, even some of the last have established themselves. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:07:26 +0100, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words: In article , Mike Lyle wrote: shazzbat wrote: When it rains, it waters the garden *and* fills the butt. Then when it's a dry spell, you've got a butt full of water. If it's a long dry spell, you're toast. And so are your plants. I'm going to keep on saying this till I'm green in the face. Most plants in most situations in most parts of the British Isles in most years (maybe decades) do not need watering once they're established. You plant them properly in the first place in properly prepared soil, mulch as necessary, and just let them grow. Well, that is too simplistic. In a really dry year, the soil in my garden has been dust dry (as in the tropics) on the surface, with no usable water for at least 1', perhaps 2', down. Established, drought resistant plants can cope, but they suffer badly in the recent wet winters. That is suffer badly as in often die. Some plants I couldn't grow at all, even in totally shaded locations, though I have started to do so again. Chives, mint and even things like tarragon were all very difficult 10-20 years ago, and don't even dream of primulas. However, in recent years, even some of the last have established themselves. How do you prepare the soil, though? Do you add large amounts of humus in planting holes and mulch the surface, to make it more water-retentive? Janet, do you mean the kind of holes where an aerating tool is used? Because my soil surface for the lawn was so compacted, I went over pretty much the whole area with a 4-pronged hollow tine aeration tool, then filled the 4" deep holes as best I could with J Arthur Bower's farmyard compost. MM |
On Wed, 18 May 2005 07:10:47 +0100, MM wrote:
~On Tue, 17 May 2005 08:18:30 +0000 (UTC), (jane) wrote: ~ ~On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:38 +0100, "Brian Watson" wrote: ~ ~~ ~~"martin" wrote in message ... ~~ On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:36 +0100, MM wrote: ~~ ~~On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:09:43 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: ~~ ~~ Of course, you'd get about 150 cubic ~~metres of Anglian water for that kind of money instead, but it's the ~~idea of getting something for nothing that appeals. ~~ ~~ Have you worked out how much 20 cubic metres of water weighs? ~~ ~~Or how much the petrol will cost to get it home? Or how much the container ~~to hold it will cost? ~~ ~~Waste of time and money, I call it. ~~ ~ ~Yes, but in a country which is heading for hosepipe bans due to a ~shortage of clean water this summer, surely getting water directly ~from a dyke will be much greener, as it's not been expensively ~purified, saves using drinking water and is in any case gradually ~making its way to the sea? ~ ~If it's not far away, and therefore not much in the way of petrol, ~then surely it's a good idea? Especially if it's fun! ~ ~jane, who had a lot of fun wiring up her lottie shed to a water butt ~the other week. Course it's hardly rained since... typical! ~ ~Ah, Jane, butts! I am thinking of getting one and piping it into the ~downpipe from the guttering around my house. Apparently B&Q do a ~contraption to redirect the rainwater into the butt which one can fit ~into the downpipe somehow. What sort of a job is it? I am a very ~effective DIY person! I found it fairly easy - the only downside to the diverter I got was that it was one that requires only a very slight downward gradient to the butt. If no gradient, the butt wouldn't fill, and if too large the excess came out the butt lid. Took mm precision and a roll of duck tape. Which I can recommend for anything involving guttering... I've also got two types of diverter - you'll need fixed pitch font here! One's | | | | |\ | | \ ___ _ | \ ___ _ | \| | | where the sloping bit can be set upright by a lever to let water go into the drains. You attach a hose to the outpipe, and it will work over quite a distance but does not automagically redivert to the drain if the butt's full The other's more | | | | | | || ||___ _ || | ___ _ \| |/ | | so once the butt is full, the water backs up the pipe and any more water is forced over the inner ring and back down the drain. As I said above, the outflow pipe has to be very precisely positioned for this to work! I have two butts wired to this one (they're space savers, ie narrower and so don't block the path at the front of the house as a full diameter one would. More expensive per gallon than bog standard butts and you need two for the same volume of water, but they look quite good. I've got a window box balanced across the lids of mine). erm url... http://www.gonegardening.com/xq/ASP/...op/product.htm I didn't get mine from them - this was just a google to illustrate. Both of these diverters are round cross-section - I've seen square ones but have no idea how you make the seal properly for normal circular drainpipes. Good luck -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
In article , Janet Baraclough writes: | | Some plants I couldn't grow at all, even in totally shaded locations, | though I have started to do so again. Chives, mint and even things | like tarragon were all very difficult 10-20 years ago, and don't | even dream of primulas. However, in recent years, even some of the | last have established themselves. | | How do you prepare the soil, though? Do you add large amounts of | humus in planting holes and mulch the surface, to make it more | water-retentive? Yes, masses. That doesn't help much with week after week of drying wind and sun. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Janet Baraclough writes: Some plants I couldn't grow at all, even in totally shaded locations, though I have started to do so again. Chives, mint and even things like tarragon were all very difficult 10-20 years ago, and don't even dream of primulas. However, in recent years, even some of the last have established themselves. How do you prepare the soil, though? Do you add large amounts of humus in planting holes and mulch the surface, to make it more water-retentive? Yes, masses. That doesn't help much with week after week of drying wind and sun. OK: I did say "in most parts". I think I remember your saying you were on a sandy soil, too: not always fun, I imagine. -- Mike. |
In article , "Mike Lyle" writes: | | How do you prepare the soil, though? Do you add large amounts | of | humus in planting holes and mulch the surface, to make it more | water-retentive? | | Yes, masses. That doesn't help much with week after week of drying | wind and sun. | | OK: I did say "in most parts". I think I remember your saying you | were on a sandy soil, too: not always fun, I imagine. Usually, it is. But not in those conditions. Or, rather, the problem is the combination of them and winter wet (with enough clay to cause the soil to hold water). In purer, deeper sand, the real drought lovers would thrive. In my soil, I can grow most things, but can lose sensitive plants at either end in many years - and not just really extreme ones. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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