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Vine tomatoes?
'Vine' tomatoes are becomming fairly common in the shops, but:- What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? Do they taste any different to 'ordinary' tomatoes? Are they just a scam so that the growers don't have to bother picking each one, just cut the whole bunch off the plant, making them cheaper to grow, but charging the silly cutomer more? -- alan reply to alan(dot)holmes27(at)virgin(dot)net |
AFAIK thay are tomatoes allowed to ripen naturally, most tomatoes in
the shops are picked green, then artificially ripened when they arrive in the UK. They certainly do ahve a much nicer taste that the equivalent loose ones. Mike |
Following up to Alan Holmes
What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? just left on the stalk as far as I know. Many authorities now say tinned toms are better than out of season imported ones. -- Mike Reid EXCLUSIVE Queen snapped at traffic lights with naked girls in vehicle:- "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/nakedqueen.htm" |
wrote in message oups.com... AFAIK thay are tomatoes allowed to ripen naturally, most tomatoes in the shops are picked green, then artificially ripened when they arrive in the UK. They certainly do ahve a much nicer taste that the equivalent loose ones. Mike I find this interesting....how long have they been imported this way in the UK...for many years on the western edges of the big puddle tomatoes have been shipped from Florida to the north via a lorry filled with ethylene gas...by the time they arrive up north they too have been converted from green to red...taste wis would just as soon eat cardboard. We too now have the 'vine ripened' ones. While better than the lorry ripened ones they are still far from the local or home grown jobbies....but not worth the asking price....H |
wrote in message oups.com... AFAIK thay are tomatoes allowed to ripen naturally, most tomatoes in the shops are picked green, then artificially ripened when they arrive in the UK. They certainly do ahve a much nicer taste that the equivalent loose ones. I also wonder sometimes whether the better flavour is also due to slightly more esoteric varieties being available for vine-ripened as opposed to the standard boxes of anaemic dutch/belgian/canary toms that are so beloved of the supermarkets. The price hike is horrendous though, and I really detest the overpackaging and overgrading typical of vine-toms. Incidentally, why are they described as being "on the vine" rather than "on the truss"? Are both correct, or is it marketing-speak? -- Richard Sampson mail me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
"The Reids" wrote in message
... Following up to Alan Holmes What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? just left on the stalk as far as I know. Many authorities now say tinned toms are better than out of season imported ones. I'd say for most cooking tinned toms win hands down, and given the dreadful flavour of the majority of supermarket toms this goes for in-season as well. Not so good in a salad or sandwich though! (watch out for added sugar in some varieties of tinned, though. Why?!!!) The other veg I don't normally give two hoots for fresh (from supermarkets) are peas - IMHO frozen wins on flavour hands down. Of course if you're growing them yourself everything changes..... :-) -- Richard Sampson mail me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
Alan Holmes wrote:
'Vine' tomatoes are becomming fairly common in the shops, but:- What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? A marketing gimmick. Do they taste any different to 'ordinary' tomatoes? No! Are they just a scam so that the growers don't have to bother picking each one, just cut the whole bunch off the plant, making them cheaper to grow, but charging the silly cutomer more? Yes! -- If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think they'll hate you. |
"RichardS" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... AFAIK thay are tomatoes allowed to ripen naturally, most tomatoes in the shops are picked green, then artificially ripened when they arrive in the UK. They certainly do ahve a much nicer taste that the equivalent loose ones. I also wonder sometimes whether the better flavour is also due to slightly more esoteric varieties being available for vine-ripened as opposed to the standard boxes of anaemic dutch/belgian/canary toms that are so beloved of the supermarkets. The price hike is horrendous though, and I really detest the overpackaging and overgrading typical of vine-toms. Incidentally, why are they described as being "on the vine" rather than "on the truss"? Are both correct, or is it marketing-speak? -- Richard Sampson mail me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... : : 'Vine' tomatoes are becomming fairly common in the : shops, but:- : : What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? : : Do they taste any different to 'ordinary' tomatoes? : : Are they just a scam so that the growers don't have to : bother picking each one, just cut the whole bunch off : the plant, making them cheaper to grow, but charging : the silly cutomer more? : it depends on the variety more than the fact they are kept on the truss. Tomatoes should be ripened on the truss, but with supermarket 'toms on the vine' you have no way of knowing if they were ripened this way. Best to grow your own, people who do know the difference. cheers Wazza |
Alan Holmes wrote:
'Vine' tomatoes are becomming fairly common in the shops, but:- What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? Isn't the main point of the 'vine' so that the check-out person can distinguish them from ordinary tomatoes? And charge you more. Noises Off |
"Harold Walker" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... AFAIK thay are tomatoes allowed to ripen naturally, most tomatoes in the shops are picked green, then artificially ripened when they arrive in the UK. They certainly do ahve a much nicer taste that the equivalent loose ones. Mike I find this interesting....how long have they been imported this way in the UK...for many years on the western edges of the big puddle tomatoes have been shipped from Florida to the north via a lorry filled with ethylene gas...by the time they arrive up north they too have been converted from green to red...taste wis would just as soon eat cardboard. We too now have the 'vine ripened' ones. While better than the lorry ripened ones they are still far from the local or home grown jobbies....but not worth the asking price....H My local supermarket (in Calgary) often has Dutch ones! The cost of flying them that far must be horrendous! Graham |
Noises Off wrote:
Alan Holmes wrote: 'Vine' tomatoes are becomming fairly common in the shops, but:- What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? Isn't the main point of the 'vine' so that the check-out person can distinguish them from ordinary tomatoes? And charge you more. nah, the plastic packaging and bar code do that :-) Honestly, I find that good vine tomatoes (from Sardinia, for example) have lots of flavour even in mid-winter. Far better than the greenhouse-grown Dutch or English, which is as one would expect -- they've seen the sun. But food miles make them a very expensive luxury. In winter tinned tomatoes are a better bet; the fresh ones are a summer treat. regards sarah -- Think of it as evolution in action. |
Janet Baraclough wrote:
[-] Last winter, I spotted a new one to me in the supermarket... a couple of feet of brussels-sprout stalk, neatly trimmed at both ends, with sprouts still attached all the way along :-) I thought it was a scam to sell vaguely 'decorative' brussels sprouts, but I've been told they keep better on the stalk than loose, provided the whole thing is kept reasonably cool). regards sarah -- Think of it as evolution in action. |
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "Harold Walker" contains these words: ....how long have they been imported this way in the UK... At least six years if not longer. They started as a speciality but demand quickly spread, and every supermarket has them now. Last winter, I spotted a new one to me in the supermarket... a couple of feet of brussels-sprout stalk, neatly trimmed at both ends, with sprouts still attached all the way along :-) Janet. No doubt ere too long will see them over here as well...a couple of years back I saw two well dressed folk in one of our local supermarkets...they were employees of Saibsburies....I chided them with coming over here to pick our brains (or lack of them)...the local supermarket manager answered saying it was just their turn to come over here ... H |
On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:58:05 GMT, "graham" wrote:
My local supermarket (in Calgary) often has Dutch ones! The cost of flying them that far must be horrendous! When I was in Canada 2 years ago (Vancouver to Calgary) we were amazed that we seldom saw a tomato in any hotel or restaurant. We were told that they are very expensive because most are exported to USA! What is the world playing at? LOL Pam in Bristol |
"Pam Moore" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:58:05 GMT, "graham" wrote: My local supermarket (in Calgary) often has Dutch ones! The cost of flying them that far must be horrendous! When I was in Canada 2 years ago (Vancouver to Calgary) we were amazed that we seldom saw a tomato in any hotel or restaurant. We were told that they are very expensive because most are exported to USA! What is the world playing at? LOL Pam in Bristol The Yanks were/are suckers enough to pay the high prices for them...I bought a single tomato to 'check 'em out'....not even good enough for fried tomatoes...H |
On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:12:47 +0100, "RichardS"
wrote: Incidentally, why are they described as being "on the vine" rather than "on the truss"? Are both correct, or is it marketing-speak? Vine? Hand? Truss? Vine = grapes; Hand = bananas; Truss = tomatoes! Wonder who thought up the use of the word "vine", and in which country. LOL Pam in Bristol |
Pam Moore wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:12:47 +0100, "RichardS" wrote: Incidentally, why are they described as being "on the vine" rather than "on the truss"? Are both correct, or is it marketing-speak? Vine? Hand? Truss? Vine = grapes; Hand = bananas; Truss = tomatoes! Wonder who thought up the use of the word "vine", and in which country. LOL Pam in Bristol AFAIK "vine" is a growth 'habit' of a plant: Vine= twining/climbing plant with relatively long stems, can be woody or herbaceous. Truss=a branch with tomatoes on it. Consequently not necessarily different. I would have thought that 'vine tomatoes' is a marketing term, maybe stretching the term 'vine' as usually used, but not actually wrong. |
In article , Pam Moore
writes On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:12:47 +0100, "RichardS" wrote: Incidentally, why are they described as being "on the vine" rather than "on the truss"? Are both correct, or is it marketing-speak? Vine? Hand? Truss? Vine = grapes; Hand = bananas; Truss = tomatoes! Wonder who thought up the use of the word "vine", and in which country. LOL I suppose 'truss' was thought to be too associated with hernias -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
quote The other veg I don't normally give two hoots for fresh (from
supermarkets) are peas - IMHO frozen wins on flavour hands down. Of course if you're growing them yourself everything changes..... :-) Well I'm shortly to be moving to Spain, and will really enjoy the local fresh food there, so much nicer than it is in the UK. Spain, of course, supplies a huge amount of the food, especially tomatoes, sold here in the UK. Mike |
sarah wrote:
Noises Off wrote: Alan Holmes wrote: 'Vine' tomatoes are becomming fairly common in the shops, but:- What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? Isn't the main point of the 'vine' so that the check-out person can distinguish them from ordinary tomatoes? And charge you more. nah, the plastic packaging and bar code do that :-) Err, well, in the nicest possible way, err, no. In this piece of paradise I call my own (south/central London) I have seen loose 'vine' tomatoes in Marks & Sparks and Costcutter. Noises Off |
Noises Off wrote:
sarah wrote: Noises Off wrote: Alan Holmes wrote: 'Vine' tomatoes are becomming fairly common in the shops, but:- What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? Isn't the main point of the 'vine' so that the check-out person can distinguish them from ordinary tomatoes? And charge you more. nah, the plastic packaging and bar code do that :-) Err, well, in the nicest possible way, err, no. In this piece of paradise I call my own (south/central London) I have seen loose 'vine' tomatoes in Marks & Sparks and Costcutter. I guess Waitrose doesn't trust its staff to recognise them :-) regards sarah -- Think of it as evolution in action. |
On Tue, 17 May 2005 21:10:54 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
wrote: 'Vine' tomatoes are becomming fairly common in the shops, but:- What, exactly, are 'Vine' tomatoes? Do they taste any different to 'ordinary' tomatoes? Are they just a scam so that the growers don't have to bother picking each one, just cut the whole bunch off the plant, making them cheaper to grow, but charging the silly cutomer more? Nearly all fruit and veg in the supermarkets are sprayed with chemicals to prolong the shelf life, wash or peel before using. Better still go back to the days before fridge and freezers and grow your own seasonal fruit and veg. Tastes better and does you good. |
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:22 GMT, (Neil Cairns)
wrote: | Nearly all fruit and veg in the supermarkets are sprayed with | chemicals to prolong the shelf life, Water is a chemical, as are salt, sugar etc. Everything else in this world is either a chemical or a mixture of chemicals. I assume you are against air http://www.mistupid.com/chemistry/aircomp.htm which is quite a complex mixture of chemicals Mind you I am not happy about washing root vegetables with water which IME *reduces* shelf life. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk On any Usenet newsgroup, *truth* is defined by the person or group who shout longest and loudest. It is not related to any reality. :-( |
"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message ... : On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:22 GMT, (Neil Cairns) : wrote: : : : | Nearly all fruit and veg in the supermarkets are sprayed with : | chemicals to prolong the shelf life, : : Water is a chemical, as are salt, sugar etc. Everything else in this world : is either a chemical or a mixture of chemicals. I assume you are against : air http://www.mistupid.com/chemistry/aircomp.htm which is quite a complex : mixture of chemicals : or gamma rays, which is not a chemical. Had a chat, once, with someone from Sainsburys, (no name no packdrill etc.) who said it was possible to taste the difference between irradiated and non-irradiated food. This guy was a scientist, not a marketing man. cheers Wazza |
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:48:04 +0000 (UTC), "Wazza"
wrote: | | "Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message | ... | : On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:22 GMT, (Neil Cairns) | : wrote: | : | : | : | Nearly all fruit and veg in the supermarkets are sprayed with | : | chemicals to prolong the shelf life, | : | : Water is a chemical, as are salt, sugar etc. Everything else in this world | : is either a chemical or a mixture of chemicals. I assume you are against | : air http://www.mistupid.com/chemistry/aircomp.htm which is quite a complex | : mixture of chemicals | : | or gamma rays, which is not a chemical. http://www.food.gov.uk/safereating/r...d/irradfoodqa/ It is required that all foods, or ingredients of foods listed on the label, which have been irradiated, are labelled as 'irradiated' or 'treated with ionising radiation'. When irradiated food is not pre-packed and is sold for immediate consumption (for example, in restaurants) it must be marked or labelled on a menu, notice or ticket that the consumer can see when choosing the food. I read many labels a week. (sad) :-( I have never seen a label which said anything had been irradiated. So irradiated food must be very rare, because that would be something which would hit me in the face. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk On any Usenet newsgroup, *truth* is defined by the person or group who shout longest and loudest. It is not related to any reality. :-( |
Dave Fawthrop wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:22 GMT, (Neil Cairns) wrote: Nearly all fruit and veg in the supermarkets are sprayed with chemicals to prolong the shelf life, Water is a chemical, as are salt, sugar etc. Everything else in this world is either a chemical or a mixture of chemicals. I assume you are against air http://www.mistupid.com/chemistry/aircomp.htm which is quite a complex mixture of chemicals Gosh! I never realised that before. You're so clever, Dave! Mind you I am not happy about washing root vegetables with water which IME *reduces* shelf life. Well, amazing, nobody knew that, either. Next? -- Mike. |
On 18/5/05 2:58 pm, in article NRHie.1405514$6l.1138425@pd7tw2no, "graham"
wrote: "Harold Walker" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... AFAIK thay are tomatoes allowed to ripen naturally, most tomatoes in the shops are picked green, then artificially ripened when they arrive in the UK. They certainly do ahve a much nicer taste that the equivalent loose ones. Mike I find this interesting....how long have they been imported this way in the UK...for many years on the western edges of the big puddle tomatoes have been shipped from Florida to the north via a lorry filled with ethylene gas...by the time they arrive up north they too have been converted from green to red...taste wis would just as soon eat cardboard. We too now have the 'vine ripened' ones. While better than the lorry ripened ones they are still far from the local or home grown jobbies....but not worth the asking price....H My local supermarket (in Calgary) often has Dutch ones! The cost of flying them that far must be horrendous! Graham And they taste of nothing. I *never* buy Dutch tomatoes! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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In message , Sacha
writes On 18/5/05 2:58 pm, in article NRHie.1405514$6l.1138425@pd7tw2no, "graham" wrote: "Harold Walker" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... AFAIK thay are tomatoes allowed to ripen naturally, most tomatoes in the shops are picked green, then artificially ripened when they arrive in the UK. They certainly do ahve a much nicer taste that the equivalent loose ones. Mike I find this interesting....how long have they been imported this way in the UK...for many years on the western edges of the big puddle tomatoes have been shipped from Florida to the north via a lorry filled with ethylene gas...by the time they arrive up north they too have been converted from green to red...taste wis would just as soon eat cardboard. We too now have the 'vine ripened' ones. While better than the lorry ripened ones they are still far from the local or home grown jobbies....but not worth the asking price....H My local supermarket (in Calgary) often has Dutch ones! The cost of flying them that far must be horrendous! Graham And they taste of nothing. I *never* buy Dutch tomatoes! You must have bought them at some time or other to know they taste of nothing. -- June Hughes |
In message , June Hughes
writes You must have bought them at some time or other to know they taste of nothing. Many apols. I hadn't realised that this was cross-posted to urg and I didn't notice the name of the poster. If I had, I wouldn't have replied. Sorry. No offence intended. -- June Hughes |
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On 20/5/05 9:01, in article , "June
Hughes" wrote: In message , June Hughes writes You must have bought them at some time or other to know they taste of nothing. Many apols. I hadn't realised that this was cross-posted to urg and I didn't notice the name of the poster. If I had, I wouldn't have replied. Sorry. No offence intended. Offensive is your middle name - you can't help it. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
In message , Sacha
writes On 20/5/05 9:01, in article , "June Hughes" wrote: In message , June Hughes writes You must have bought them at some time or other to know they taste of nothing. Many apols. I hadn't realised that this was cross-posted to urg and I didn't notice the name of the poster. If I had, I wouldn't have replied. Sorry. No offence intended. Offensive is your middle name - you can't help it. Excuse me? I apologised to you. I was trying to avoid trouble but you plunged in with both feet. I normally take a wide berth where you are concerned. As you don't know anything about me, please do not be so rude. -- June Hughes |
On 20/5/05 16:27, in article , "June
Hughes" wrote: In message , Sacha writes On 20/5/05 9:01, in article , "June Hughes" wrote: In message , June Hughes writes You must have bought them at some time or other to know they taste of nothing. Many apols. I hadn't realised that this was cross-posted to urg and I didn't notice the name of the poster. If I had, I wouldn't have replied. Sorry. No offence intended. Offensive is your middle name - you can't help it. Excuse me? I apologised to you. I was trying to avoid trouble but you plunged in with both feet. I normally take a wide berth where you are concerned. As you don't know anything about me, please do not be so rude. Actually June, I know quite a lot about you. You're a spoiled brat. -- Sacha (remove the weeds for email) |
In message , Sacha
writes On 20/5/05 16:27, in article , "June Hughes" wrote: In message , Sacha writes On 20/5/05 9:01, in article , "June Hughes" wrote: In message , June Hughes writes You must have bought them at some time or other to know they taste of nothing. Many apols. I hadn't realised that this was cross-posted to urg and I didn't notice the name of the poster. If I had, I wouldn't have replied. Sorry. No offence intended. Offensive is your middle name - you can't help it. Excuse me? I apologised to you. I was trying to avoid trouble but you plunged in with both feet. I normally take a wide berth where you are concerned. As you don't know anything about me, please do not be so rude. Actually June, I know quite a lot about you. You're a spoiled brat. Have you been stalking me? To my knowledge, I have never met you. I made a mistake and apologised before you started your attack. People don't post here to read this sort of thing and if you wish to continue your insults, please do so by email. You are saying more about yourself than you are about me. I have nothing against you, so please stop your aggressive posts. -- June Hughes |
On 20/5/05 20:47, in article , "June
Hughes" wrote: In message , Sacha writes On 20/5/05 16:27, in article , "June Hughes" wrote: In message , Sacha writes On 20/5/05 9:01, in article , "June Hughes" wrote: In message , June Hughes writes You must have bought them at some time or other to know they taste of nothing. Many apols. I hadn't realised that this was cross-posted to urg and I didn't notice the name of the poster. If I had, I wouldn't have replied. Sorry. No offence intended. Offensive is your middle name - you can't help it. Excuse me? I apologised to you. I was trying to avoid trouble but you plunged in with both feet. I normally take a wide berth where you are concerned. As you don't know anything about me, please do not be so rude. Actually June, I know quite a lot about you. You're a spoiled brat. Have you been stalking me? Please don't flatter yourself - you really aren't that important. To my knowledge, I have never met you. I made a mistake and apologised before you started your attack. The attack was yours upon me and you did not apologise to me but to the two groups on which you have demonstrated your pettiness of mind and character. This is absolutely typical of you, you trivial woman. You attack others and then somehow, miraculously, on Planet June, it's their fault, not yours. People don't post here to read this sort of thing and if you wish to continue your insults, please do so by email. Why? So you can throw a tantrum and forbid me to email you? You've played that game before, ducky when you started emailing me and didn't like my less-than-grovelling response. Get over yourself. You are saying more about yourself than you are about me. I have nothing against you, so please stop your aggressive posts. Your posts about me in the past show that the last sentence is untrue. You never miss the chance of a swipe if you happen to be in the mood. This time you've been caught out, embarrassing yourself. Tough luck. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
In message , Sacha
writes On 20/5/05 20:47, in article , "June Hughes" wrote: People don't post here to read this sort of thing and if you wish to continue your insults, please do so by email. Why? So you can throw a tantrum and forbid me to email you? You've played that game before, ducky when you started emailing me and didn't like my less-than-grovelling response. Get over yourself. You are saying more about yourself than you are about me. I have nothing against you, so please stop your aggressive posts. Your posts about me in the past show that the last sentence is untrue. You never miss the chance of a swipe if you happen to be in the mood. This time you've been caught out, embarrassing yourself. Tough luck. Taken to email. -- June Hughes |
On 20/5/05 22:30, in article , "June
Hughes" wrote: In message , Sacha writes On 20/5/05 20:47, in article , "June Hughes" wrote: People don't post here to read this sort of thing and if you wish to continue your insults, please do so by email. Why? So you can throw a tantrum and forbid me to email you? You've played that game before, ducky when you started emailing me and didn't like my less-than-grovelling response. Get over yourself. You are saying more about yourself than you are about me. I have nothing against you, so please stop your aggressive posts. Your posts about me in the past show that the last sentence is untrue. You never miss the chance of a swipe if you happen to be in the mood. This time you've been caught out, embarrassing yourself. Tough luck. Taken to email. Which will not be read or replied to. Go and bore people somewhere else with your overblown conceit. -- Sacha (remove the weeds for email) |
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