Sycamore by any other name
 

Essjay001 wrote:

Martin Brown scribbled:

Wild ones from seed are not that precise. You can get down to a few
species A. palmatum and A. japonicum being among the most likely but
A. miyabei and A. nikoense are also possibilities.

All the more reason to destroy them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why destroy them ? They are all pretty dwarf Japanese acers. Some are just
prettier than others.

Named cultivars of these species have been very carefully selected for
near perfect dissected or coloured foliage and/or autumn colour. If you
grow them on from seed just like eating apples you will usually get
something but not necessarily anything like as pretty as the parent plant.
But you could strike lucky.

Anyway introducing something into the UK that could decimate Sycamore, A.
pseudoplatanus, would be an event to be celebrated by most arborialists.
They are nothing but tatty bullying weeds.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Sycamore by any other name
 

In article ,
(Martin Brown) wrote:

Wild ones from seed are not that precise

That's what I thought too but I wondered if the OP knew better.

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com

Sycamore by any other name
 

In article , Essjay001
writes


Now what part of that didn't you understand

For example, which seeds are restricted or prohibited. Whether the
importation of seeds of Acer species is, as you allege, illegal.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Sycamore by any other name
 

"Martin Brown" wrote
Anyway introducing something into the UK that could decimate Sycamore, A.
pseudoplatanus, would be an event to be celebrated by most arborialists.
They are nothing but tatty bullying weeds.

Hear, hear!

Sue
(feeling bullied by next door's tatty specimen which looms large, right up
against the fence).

Sycamore by any other name
 

In article ,
(Martin Brown) wrote:

Anyway introducing something into the UK that could decimate
Sycamore, A. pseudoplatanus, would be an event to be celebrated by
most arborialists.

Suppose it decimated something else?

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com

Sycamore by any other name
 

Steve Harris wrote:

In article ,
(Martin Brown) wrote:

Anyway introducing something into the UK that could decimate
Sycamore, A. pseudoplatanus, would be an event to be celebrated by
most arborialists.

Suppose it decimated something else?

Not that likely. Sycamore is a non-native tree from mainland Europe.
As ever blame the Roman's for bringing it in...

OTOH Fungal diseases of horsechestnut conker trees are absolutely
rampant in Belgium, and causing disastrous collapses of huge old
specimens that line the boulevards. And some human fatalities too...

Regards,
Martin Brown

Sycamore by any other name
 

Stewart Robert Hinsley scribbled:

In article , Essjay001
writes


Now what part of that didn't you understand

For example, which seeds are restricted or prohibited. Whether the
importation of seeds of Acer species is, as you allege, illegal.

The regulation says this:-

You may bring back no more than:
2 kg of fruit and
cut flowers and foliage together forming a single bouquet and
five retail packets of seeds (but not seeds of potatoes)

It does not say "but you can bring back Acer seeds you have stolen from
Japan"

I could be forgiven for thinking that because you don't like the way the
regulation is written you don't think you should comply.




---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/2002

Sycamore by any other name
 

"Essjay001" wrote in message
...
You may bring back no more than:
2 kg of fruit and
cut flowers and foliage together forming a single bouquet and
five retail packets of seeds (but not seeds of potatoes)

I do agree this could be interpreted both ways as naturally harvested seed
is not explicitly mentioned in the above, but the spirit of the document
seems to be that the above is *the only* plant produce you may bring from
outside the Europe. Therefore Acer seed taken from a tree is illegal. I
presume the 'retail packets' of seeds is intended to ensure that the seed
has been screened and certified healthy but it may be that there is a
loophole here if your friend in Japan put the seeds in an envelope and sold
them to you?

I don't think this is easily enforcable though and may be just so much hot
air as I doubt anyone would detect seed sent through the postal service. If
the seed can get in that way then what's the point of trying to stop it
anywhere else? The security is only as strong as its weakest link and at the
moment that's pretty damn weak.

The document also uses the phrase 'shows no sign of pest or disease'. If
something has a virus then it could well be hidden. Also the fact that you
can bring in cut flowers and foliage ( which could then be rooted as
cuttings) but not rooted plants makes me suspect that the rules are more to
protect against pests rather than diseases.

Martin

Sycamore by any other name
 

"Warwick" wrote in message
news:MPG.18b8e686ff68d9f49897ed@lateinos...
While in Japan on holiday in October, I wandered under some of the micer
looking Acers and picked up seeds.

These have been subjected to the British winter as experienced by a seed
sitting in a car glove compartment since.

I'm thinking that it'll be soon time to subject them to the warmer
climes of the greenhouse.

Any suggestions?

Warwick

If you had taken a little time to research the pro's and cons of bringing
seeds in from outside this country you would have gained this response from
DEFRA and saved all the uninformed posting (including mine) and got down to
business. Hope this helps!

""""""""""""""
There are no restrictions on the import of Acer seeds in to the UK as there
is considered to be no plant health risk associated with them - indeed there
are very few seeds which are regarded as a risk and so must be certified. It
would be a different matter for plants (or cuttings of Acer saccharum),
which would require a phytosanitary certificate.

If you need any more information, please contact me.

Regards,

Nathan McWhinnie
Service Delivery Unit
Plant Health Division
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Rm. 340, Foss House, King's Pool, 1-2 Peasholme Green, York, YO1 7PX
Tel: (44) (0)1904 455192 (GTN 5137 5192)
Fax: (44) (0)1904 455199 (GTN 5137 5199)
E-mail:



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/2002

Sycamore by any other name
 

"Steve Harris" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Martin Brown) wrote:

Anyway introducing something into the UK that could decimate
Sycamore, A. pseudoplatanus, would be an event to be celebrated by
most arborialists.

Suppose it decimated something else?

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com

As its the only tree that grows around me I would be devastated to lose the
only tree cover we have. At 200 years plus a couple of mine are very fine
trees and rival many parkland specimens of british trees. Those that are not
fine specimens are reguarly coppiced for the stick, so are still usefull.
(and yes I do have to pull up dozens of seedlings every year!)
--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)