The Puppy Wizard wrote:

"Lee DeRaud" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:55:41 -0500, "bentcajungirl"
wrote:

I am going to be landscaping soon. My situation is that diagonally
behind
my property, two lots away is a really obnoxious LOUD constantly barking
dog. Yeah, I have spoken with the owners, resorted to making complaints
with the police and am considering taking them to city court.
I will be installing a privacy fence. Any type of fence better for noise
than another? Metal, wood, etc. Code says I can go 8 feet high. Will 8
feet vs 6 ft give me more sound barrier. What kind of plants can I plant
that will cushion sound? I am in extreme South Louisiana, so anything
tropical will grow here.

Can't you just plant kudzu under the neighbor's dog? Besides muffling
the sound, you'll get self-watering, self-fertilizing topiary.

Lee


HOWEDY lee,

You can't continue to post here...

"Lee DeRaud" wrote in message
...
On 14 Jan 2003 19:47:15 GMT, (Tricia9999)
wrote:

After all, school is a place where you get
bullied, learn to bully, learn to gossip, form cliques,
learn how to do shortcuts, etc, etc.

Oh, you mean "survival skills"?

Just kidding...somewhat.

Lee

Say CONGRATULATIONS To Linda, lee - "Today Seemed Like A Miracle" -

HOWEDY lee,

(Lee DeRaud) wrote in
:

On 5 Nov 2002 09:01:26 -0800,
(Linda) wrote:

I wish everyone who has a dog could know how well the Wits'
End Dog Training works so dogs would not lose there homes
because of behavioral problems and not be subjected to
torture in the name of training.

Honey,

Linda is a cripple, lee. We'd think everyone
would be tickled pink that Linda doesn't have
to worry about her dog HURTIN nobody noMOORE
and maybe gettin DEAD on her, like so many of
your group have had to do to their own dogs
because you're incompetent lying dog abusing
Thug coward control freaks who couldn't outwit
the cunning of the domestic puppy dog if your
own lives depended on it.

Your dog's lives obviously aren't as important
as your fragile defective egos.

sit back and relax,

No lee, Linda needs exercise to build her strength.

you don't need to do a thing,

She's got to work harder than you or me ever thought
of, to keep whatever little is left of her mobility,
poor dear little crippled thing she is with that awful
out of control GSD of hers. That dog should be put to
sleep, he's bitten her repeatedly and is dangerous to
one and all.

the good people on this group

The good people, lee? What good people, lee? The good
people like YOU who'd tell her to KILL her dog? The
good people like YOU who'd deny others of the same
benefit all my students find in their FREE copy of
my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual, lee?

There's no good people here, except me and a couple of
my nearly instant 100% successful students, and Soup,
and occasionally Nick, who's not my student, but moore
so, he's a natural trainer, a fatherly guy, who
understands dogs and treats them as he does his children.

will do *everything* in their power to help get the Word out.

Thank you, but no thank you, lee. Sorry lee, we don't
appreciate being associated with lying dog abusing Thugs,
lee. Your collective word, is worthless. In fact, you
could RUIN my reputation by endorsing my methods.

That's what I told your pal booby maida when HE offered
to endorse my methods if I'd lay off him, "I'm only trying
to make a living" he cried to me... I told him if he didn't
post anything I couldn't criticize, I wouldn't criticize him.

Next post from booby was talking of my mumzie bein a hoer
in the Orchids of FL and that I'm a convicted child molester
fugitive, lee.

I'd prefer you continue to warn folks about me and tell
them to killfile their FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual.

Just unplug your computer and take a nap with your dog,

Do you think that's a wise idea, lee? The dog may
try to DOMINATE her, lee. Shouldn't sleep with an
aggressive dog, you know that as well as your pals
here KNOW that much.

FurtherMOORE, she coulda got the best computer in
the world for the amount of hard earned dough she
WASTED on traditional training and vets and behaviorists.

we've got your back.

BWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I've chewed up and down
your collective backs so bad you ain't even gonna
try to get a new one cause that'll just invite me
to tear you up again, you miserable sod.

Oh, BTW, you mis-spelled "HOWE".

But YOU didn't, DID YOU, lee. None of your pals misspell
HOWE noMOORE, do you. That speaks well of my training
method, lee.

I rely on the koehler method, lee. Every thing you've seen
me do here, I learned from and improvised upon, right outta
my koehler book, recommended by our good professor SCRUFF
SHAKE of the UofWI department of behaviorISM and ed w of
petloss dot CON and most of our group of dog lovers.

Lee

Now get the heel outta here you miserable
lying dog abusing Thug.

But first, say CONGRATULATIONS to Linda, lee.

Your Get The Heel Outta Here Wizard. YGTHOHW;-:}

=============================

Message -----
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: - dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

=======================================

"Linda" wrote in message
om...

I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.

At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.

I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.

I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph.D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help.

We finally went to Purdue University Small Animal Behavior
Clinic and they said he had fear aggression, punishment
would not work, use the gentle leader and when out walking
and he got stressed have the people stop until he could get
in control using treats,and work on clicker training.

At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when I
tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"

I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were
so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said I
should give up on him and kill him but they would say "You
have to realize he is dangerous and you are responsible for
him."

You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.

As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.

He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 month!

Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.

When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"

The results can make a believer!!!Three weeks since
beginning the Wits End Training Manual program I walked
him without the gentle leader in a busy shopping area with
many dogs.

He just seemed to not notice any one.

When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.

If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
and had to be killed. Through all this he never growled
at me, guarded his toys or food or showed any sign of
aggression with me.

My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

===================

--------Original Post-----------
From: Linda
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Will try it today and post how well this system works.
We went to a dog class that I had enrolled in for
resocialization--getting him to not lunge and try to
attack every dog he sees, we were at the third class
and I forgot the Halti but he was relaxed and had no
problem with any of the seven dogs-

-in the past he would shake and after a little while
turn away from the dogs and look at the wall. Saturday
he wanted to play with the dogs--he actually pulled
toward the dogs- kinda jumped around like he use to do
before he became aggressive- when he got close to another
dog.

Teacher was impressed with him but thought it was from
her class--I didn't tell her anything different-she had
tried but it sure was not working.

Today on our walk a dog went by and he alerted but did
not move toward the dog and when I called him he actually
came with his tail wagging and forget about the dog.

I have told everyone I see about your dog training-
-all my friends and neighbors know I have been so worried
and frustrated with Sunshine's behavior-infact some would
turn around and go the other way so as not to get close to us.

If people knew how easy it could be to get a dog to come
and listen to you there would be a lot less dogs in shelters.

I know I didn't know what to do and was afraid I would have
to kill him if he bite someone even though I loved him so
much.

================================

Original Message -----
From:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!

Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out of him.

Think it is hard for him but he never even seemed to think
about going off-reacting.

The word come has no affect on him just the phrase--Sunshine
come goodboy.

===================================

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:17 PM
To:
Subject: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

----- Original Message -----
From:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: dog aggression

HOWEDY _,

I am not sure what happened but after two days
Sunshine walked with me not sniffing, pulling or
going his own way. In two and a half years he
has never walked without his nose to the ground-
-today he walked closer too the cart than ever
before and turned to look at me every few minutes-
-in past with treats and pleading he only looked
toward me when I had a treat in my hand.
It is hard to believe he has really changed so quickly.
Now I have several questions--After one time with
throwing the can he has always come on the first call-
-do I need to try to set him up to not come so we can
do four times in different places?

Yup. You've got to generalize the come command to make
it 100% reliable. MISTAKES ARE GOOD. You want him to
make a few mistakes so we can get the sound associated
with the command.

I have not tried to call him off leash outside as that is
the time he is does not come.

O.K. You know to do the HOT & Cold and Family Leadership
Exercises and you'll have a perfect come command in a couple
fifteen minute sessions.

On the leash he came on the first call today even when he
was starting to explore the leaves etc.

Excellent. We discussed his penchant for eating leaves and
dirt off the ground.

He walked past several people today with hardly a second glance-

We also discussed that he was rather aggressive, and you
were becoming very concerned about being able to keep him.

he did see a cat about 10 feet away and when I called him
the first time he did not respond but when I used the can he
ran over to me and seemed to forget about the cat.

PERFECT. Next time you'll probably not need the sound.
Just remember to vary the origin of the sound each time,
day in to day out, the sequence never breaks.

Now what do I do when he sees another dog?

You'll tell him GOOD BOY and prepare to make the sound
and praise if he continues looking, and if that fails, you'll
ask him to come, keeping in mind the sequence of the
commands with sound and the distract/praise techniques.

You'll get used to thinking that fast in a couple more days,
no problem.

Although the calling him the four times seems easy it was
very hard-

Yes, it takes a bit of a knack to get it just right, but if
you fail, not to worry, you'll be able to get it right the
next time. We don't lose points for "do overs" as long as we
get the pup under control fast and EZ. That's HOWE COME that
dependable come command is so necessary.

-I had a friend which was good since I had a lot of trouble
calling the right way and using the can at the same time.

Yes, I recommended you may want a friend to help because
of your disability.

I found out I had been calling him many times each time
I called him to come.

Right. Should be about a second between requests and
the sounds on the second and fourth commands and move
off into the FPLX if that fails, and continue the technique.

EZ, huh???

I am still working on the leash it is really hard when you
are not standing upright as the leash can not be as loose
since it drags on the ground-

Yeah, I don't know if you're able, but do try to handle the
lead exactly as instructed. It'll feel uncomfortable for a
few days, but we don't want that lead tangling and
accidentally pullin on him.

-I am so worried without the leash around my hand

Psst! If you've got fair strength in your hands, let me
do the worrying for you... O.K.?

but I am not sure if it was the leash,

Well, you know I told you it was the overcontrol of
the lead that triggers positive thigmotaxis, the opposition
reflex.

telling him good boy everytime he looked at me

That ALWAYS works. All my Mrs. got to do is tell me
good boy and I'll do anything she asks. Hey? I think
I just figgered out HOWE COME she always gets
her way with me...

or the cans,

Any sound will suffice, even an extraneous and coincidentally
but well timed sound will work, maybe even BETTER.

but today seemed like a miracle.

WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

I told a friend about this approach and they thought you
were on "Today" this spring--was it you?

Naaah. There's nobody that has such fast EZ safe gentle
methods. I'll be on TV soon enough with my Doggy Do Right
(And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two
Did Too) machine.

But that's just gonna give me the floor to discuss the state
of the art of the animal behavior industry.

Would you do me a favor? If you're on the internet, I'd sure
appreciate it if you'd repost this to the groups, a lot of
people are saying terrible things about me and tellin folks
reports like yours, are FORGERIES by ME.

Thank you for being a good student.

Yours, Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:24 PM
To:
Subject: dog aggression

Dog training isn't LUCK. You'll do perfect or I'll get the
heel outta this business... Yours, Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: dog aggression

Will let you know how it goes!!!--thanks for the encouragement

----- Original Message -----
From:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:16 AM
Subject: dog aggression

HOWEDY _,

I got your message tonight and have printed
your manual--will start tomorrow--

Excellent.

I am truly at my wits end!!!

Me too, but not with your problem. This one's EZ!

Today he bite me twice breaking the skin when he was in a
"rage" .

He's gonna be EZ. He's not even thinking about you when he
bites. He's just overexcited trying to PROTECT you. That'll
diminish immediately through simply handling the lead
properly, gettin the control and attention through the praise
conditioning, and distract/praising his aggressive thoughts
before he gets out of control.

EZ stuff.

Once when he saw another dog-ran toward the dog

Sound/praise and repeat as necessary. Just remember
to always vary the direction the sound comes from. You
might need a helper to produce the alternate sounds in
time.

and pulled me down-

In a couple days that'll cause him to come back to you.

-since I do not walk or move very well, falling down is
a major problem as I can not get up without much help.

He'll straighten out in a couple days of EZ work.

He bite me when my hand went close to his mouth while I was
falling.

Yes, but he wasn't conscious of YOU, he's in a fury protecting
you.

The second time was when we were going down the street-
-I use an electric cart

Excellent. You'll be able to handle him EZ like that.

and a man walked toward us and He saw him before I did

That would complicate and slow things down.

and took off-

In a couple days you'll have the control to stop him after
he's started.

-lunging barking and snapping again I got my hand within
reach of his mouth and he bite me-

That was predictable!

-he bites what every is close.

At least he's consistent. That's GOOD!

When he is not in a rage he will let me doing anything-

Of course. He sounds PERFECT. This is the kind of
dog I'd go out of my way to get for myself...

-take is food away, touch him anywhere, or do anything to
him-

Perfect.

-and he will never even raise his lip but when he goes
off he is in another world.

Yeah, kinda like me...

You are my last hope-

You're gonna be EZ.

-he works to help me at home--he picks up anything on the
floor,closes doors, picks up the daily paper and will stand
to brace me when I stand up on my bad days.

He sounds like a great dog!

He waits for me to go out the door first and will wait until
I call him to come in and close the door.

He'll learn the same manners when in pubic.

He really helps me everyday and if I didn't have him life
would much harder.

We'll fix him up in a couple days of EZ work.

But I know if we can not solve the "rage" problem

Pssst! It's already in the bag...

he will bite someone other than me and will have to be
killed.

Not to worry, that'll be past history in a couple days.

Your method seems so simple

It is. Just follow the techniques and ask me if you
need any help. I've got all kinds of fast EZ solutions
for any problem you could encounter.

after all we have tried it does not seem possible to
change his behavior easily-

Everything you've tried has relied on bribes force
and confrontation.

-but I will start trying tomorrow.

And instead of trying to force him to stay in control,
you'll PRAISE his first aggressive thought and he'll
move in close to YOU to protect you, not charge at
others. He'll learn FAST that you want the aggression
and he'll want to use it BEST for YOU, so he'll do
EVERY THING you ask the first time.

I'd LOVE to have a hundred dogs just like him today.

I use a Halti so he does not pull me over-usually!

Right, but here again, you're relying on some degree
of force to control him. That will ALWAYS trigger
the OPPOSITE of what we want, telling him to be
aggressive, not to pay attention to you and your safety.

Once he sees THAT, you're gonna need a shoe horn
to PRY him AWAY from you.

In fact, when you WANT him to attack someone all you'll
have to do is let him see someone and gently pull back
on his collar without sayin nuthin, and that'll set him off...

but have never used punishment, choke collar or any
other "corrections"

Good, that'll make it REAL EZ to teach him my methods.

I taught him all his tricks and tasks with a clicker and
food.

Fine. We'll forget the treats and use the click differently
for our puporses.

Thanks for your help in advance-

CONGRATULATIONS in advance...

-I pray your method will be our salvation!!!

No need to. It's already DONE.

_

Do me a favor? If you could keep a record of our
discussions and your work with your pup, and
send it in to the news groups I participate in, it'd
be a great benefit and inspiration for others in the
same or similar situations.

Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training.

Yours, Jerry.

================================

"michael" wrote in message
...

Linda wrote:

No, I am sure I did not try "All" ways, but enough to know
I was making no progress. Probably everything does not
work for every dog, just like somethings like medication
or therapy to not work for all humans. But I am unable to
find a negative reason to not try the Wits End approach.

It has been so wonderful to be able to enjoy being in
public with my dog that I want others to try the method so
they can get beyond their problems. Why fight over what
works best instead of trying to help dogs and their
owners?

I have been a university professor for thirty
years where my goal was to help students see the big
picture of the issues rather than fight to be right. When
you compare using sound and praise to solve a problem with
using shock collars, hanging, and punishment how can you
criticize the use of sound?

They do it because they've been preaching that Jerry is
crazy, and insane and that he stole all his methods and that
he doesn't have any dogs, and that he's not a dog trainer
for YEARS.

They've got a lot vested in Jerry being a fraud and a phony
and living in a mental institution.

But it's they who are

CUCKOOO!!
CUKCOOOOO!!!
ding ding ding!!!

not jerry

don't mind the gators and snakes and piranhas and feel free
to report your progress.

Linda

this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com

"Dimpled Chad"
wrote in message
6.16...
On 09 Jan 2003, michael opined:

You disgust me. You make me physically ill.

Pot/Kettle/Black, you anti-semetic, anarchical, Jerry Howe
sycophant.

-Chad (making a donation, ala Shore, to the anti-defamation league
in your honor) plonk

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