On 13 May 2003 13:05:59 GMT, (lms) wrote:

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On 12 May 2003 03:06:15 GMT, (lms) wrote:

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On 08 May 2003 19:06:08 GMT, (Zphysics1) wrote:

I think it is Love and Peace.

/z.

It's actually Desert Peace.

That's how it was labeled and it certainly matches photos of Desert
Peace as well.

Love and Peace *does* resemble it though.

Desert Peace, hahaha, The george bush the first Rose. Imagine my surprise
when
I saw this one in the jackson and p catalog before The Dust had even settled
over irag the first time. I think this was pretty much simultaneous with the
creation of World Peace but in any case you could get them as a package deal.
I don't doubt it's a pretty rose, I just can't support the Pick-A-Participle
Rocky VIII approach to hawking roses. The original Peace and Chicago Peace
demonstrate over the season every conceivable color any of the wannabe
sound-alike name ripoffs can do and neither of the *2 originals have any of
the
impurity issues their half-sisters have to tell their friends about.

To be honest, I didn't know that there was any tie in with Desert
Storm. To be honest, I didn't give the name a second thought. To be
honest, I just bought the darn thing a couple of years ago when I
first started buying roses - it looked pretty. To be honest, I
couldn't bother to get half as worked about about a rose, much less
its name, than you have here.

Ford would get worked if Chevy came up with the Desert Ford, there is
little difference in the two concepts.

But would Ford get worked up if Ford came up with the Desert Ford?

You see, Meilland is responsible for *both* roses, if not the name.

So your analogy breaks down right there.

I'm aware also that the car companies
get promiscuous with their names and I don't like that either. The irk factor
rates right up there with Isuzu Rodeo or Hyundai Santa Fe. maybe Toyota
Tacoma.

Car names is another thing that rarely crosses my transom. I drive an
Escort ZX2. It doesn't bother me that it links me with a sexy black
purring creature that I have to pay for monthly. My Volvo is close
enough to certain anatomy to make me occasionally chuckle about it,
and of course, we know about the sage of GM's Vega, which had to be
renamed in Latin American countries since Vega literally translated
from the Spanish is "No Go".

Otherwise, I don't worry about what a Tiberon is - is it akin to a
Tarkus or something?

i.e., Peace or its true clone Chicago Peace have never been improved upon,

To be honest, every Peace I've ever seen has been a boring large
somewhat floppy blossom. I would never bother with one.

you've been sadly deprived, dweil:

http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Deepeac.jpg

"The URL you typed does not exist. Please check that you typed your
URL correctly".

http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Deepea99.jpg

That looks OK. Not bad for a rose at its peak. However, it doesn't do
very much for me - sorry. I hope you don't mind that my tastes are a
little different than yours.

I *did* see a Chicago Peace yesterday at WalMart yesterday and it was
OK as well. Just OK. Whenever I see Peace at a show, it's about the
largest bloom there. It's also quite a bit paler by that point. I
could almost tolerate the one that you show.

To be honest, I'd never ask more of any rose than either. I've seen it white,
I've seen it every shade of yellow with every shade of vivid red infused.
And believe it or not--and this is an extremely rare occurrence--I've before
been fairly overpowered by just the truest rose fragrance imaginable.
It *all depends on the conditions. And of course, how happy it is. I was
truly blessed to know this rose.

That's fine. You won't find me saying that you're deprived for not
liking Desert Peace or it's ilk. BTW, that particular bloom had a
really nice fragrance as well. And it ended up doing the Peace thing
and getting huge and growing wings as well. Here it is right before I
took the bloom:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...esertPeace.jpg

You might want to rename it Vomitorium...

I've never seen Chicago Peace, mind you...

Another happy 10 or 12 foot giant with major girth. Always vivid colors.
Peace itself can do all the colors of Chicago Peace but Chicago Peace doesn't
do solid colors, it's pretty much that simple.

For me, 10 and 12 foot hybrid teas are *not* my cup of tea. I have a
Papa Meilland that's too tall for me and it's only 7 feet tall. You
see, I get deprived by having the blooms too high to be viewed
properly.

Now a 10 - 12 foot climber - that's a different story. Or a 10 -12
foot hedge - no problems there.

You obviously subscribe to the "bigger is better" philospohy. That's
cool. shrug

You should get Touch of Class if you don't have one already. Huge
colorful blooms and a big framework. Mine's about 9 1/2 feet tall.
It's also not my favorite by any stretch of the imagination but you
might like it. 6 1/2 inch salmonesque blooms. Hardly any scent though.

and all of these rose brothers should try getting another NAME!
The name Peace is taken and shouldn't be muddled or besmirched. Clones may
use the name, Hybrids may not. It is written.

Who cares? Really?

hmmmm. it's not like I said you were growing The Charles Manson Rose even if
it is the george bush the first Rose. humans have this way of connecting
karma and applying concepts to things like roses, and while most breeders
use either their imaginative processes or names which mean something to them
personally, J$P can be counted upon to immediately seize every opportunity
and be the first in line every time to cash in on the mass 1) grief and
2)patriotism currently in swing, and if they can combine these first two with
the proven name of a known superstar, then so much the better.

Apparently Meilland didn't care one way or the other.

Names certainly do matter though and a lot of people *do care-- like I predict
half the people out there wouldn't even consider planting Barbra Streisand.

How many people do you think connect the name of Desert peace with the
war over a decade ago? I know *I* certainly didn't. Maybe there are a
few people like you who were bothered about it at the time. I daresay
though that you are probably in the minority. BTW, I suggest that
Meilland change their name to Freedom.

Now that I know, do I really care? Not really. It might bother me if
the rose was named Charred Iraqi Track Commander though.

Does that thing normally have real dark canes or is the one I just planted
on its way to checking outa here?


Love and Peace, makes me think about cemeteries. Ain't Gonna Happen Peace.

We'll just change the name to Guy Pearce.

must needs google dat, but on the surface, yeah, that's better.

Think LA Confidential for one. Aussie actor who sometimes plays tough
guy film noir 'mericans. Women swoon.

it's all about roses, dweil, and how we enjoy them. for me it's a word thing,
a name thing--=- they're infinitely fascinating and parta the way I've always
got my kicks.
so bully for me, eh? hahahaha

Quite right. Bully for you.

For me, the name is almost superfluous, although I understand that it
has some sort of connotation. Most of the names don't mean much to me.
I've have no idea what kind of person Cecile Brunner was and I have no
idea how Belami relates to a tightly spiraled pink rose with a
fabulously refereshing fragrance.

And if Touch of Class is what class is all about, then I'll have to
start demanding that my women wear the gaudiest makeup possible and
always make sure that they are at least 42dd and that part of their
bra *always* shows.