Here's one for all of you wild color lovers - this is the first bloom
of the season from Desert Peace:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DesertPeace.jpg

And, to gild the lily (so to speak) - here's a shot of my newly
identified Joseph's Coat (thanks Cass and Jim), with two blooms in
different stages of development:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/Joseph'sCoat.jpg

dave weil wrote:

Here's one for all of you wild color lovers - this is the first bloom
of the season from Desert Peace:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DesertPeace.jpg

And, to gild the lily (so to speak) - here's a shot of my newly
identified Joseph's Coat (thanks Cass and Jim), with two blooms in
different stages of development:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/Joseph'sCoat.jpg


Dave!! WOW! I love these colors together. In fact, I am redoing my bedroom
in fuschia, tangerine/saffron, and dark, dark green. No kidding.

I WANT this rose! This is clearly the Peace Rose for me!!

On 04 May 2003 21:51:18 GMT, Daniel Hanna
wrote:

In aHlwYXRpYQ==.69310ca6dba4549ed9b8c26725442f1f@105 2074618.cotse.net
Shiva wrote:
Here's one for all of you wild color lovers - this is the first bloom
of the season from Desert Peace:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DesertPeace.jpg

Beautiful bloom, but how does this differ from Chicago Peace?

By the name on the tag g.

Seriously, the biggest differences, judging by the photos that I've
seen of Chicago Peace, are the far more vivid colors and lots more
yellow in the middle.

Desert Peace also has a lot of orange in its early days; I don't know
about Chicago Peace.

Shiva

Beautiful Rose....it looks similar to the rose I am looking for...the
yellow/apricot in the center and the darker outpetals (they were red in my
rose) and then the middle is pink....still can't figure out what that rose
is......but it is probably 30 yrs. old and out of circulation.

What perturbs me is when I see a gorgeous rose and get out of the car to
"snoop" and check the name and there isn't any tags!!!! My girlfriend had a
beautiful rose I asked about and no tags and she didn't have any idea what
it was.........and with so many roses being similar, it is very hard to
pinpoint the "real" name.

But your Desert Rose is beautiful...I have similar ones , like Brigadoon,
that are colorful and I really like them. Thanks for sharing.

My brother just gave me a digital camera....do you have to have a web page
to display your pics or can you attach one with a post? I am now awaiting
the instruction booklet (that he is looking for) so then I can take jpeg
pics and share. I love my roses--lots of young plants this year so I am
awaiting blooms....Linda

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On 04 May 2003 21:51:18 GMT, Daniel Hanna
wrote:

In aHlwYXRpYQ==.69310ca6dba4549ed9b8c26725442f1f@105 2074618.cotse.net
Shiva wrote:
Here's one for all of you wild color lovers - this is the first bloom
of the season from Desert Peace:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DesertPeace.jpg

Beautiful bloom, but how does this differ from Chicago Peace?

By the name on the tag g.

Seriously, the biggest differences, judging by the photos that I've
seen of Chicago Peace, are the far more vivid colors and lots more
yellow in the middle.

Desert Peace also has a lot of orange in its early days; I don't know
about Chicago Peace.

I think it is Love and Peace.

/z.

On 08 May 2003 19:06:08 GMT, (Zphysics1) wrote:

I think it is Love and Peace.

/z.

It's actually Desert Peace.

That's how it was labeled and it certainly matches photos of Desert
Peace as well.

Love and Peace *does* resemble it though.

In article ,
says...

On 08 May 2003 19:06:08 GMT, (Zphysics1) wrote:

I think it is Love and Peace.

/z.

It's actually Desert Peace.

That's how it was labeled and it certainly matches photos of Desert
Peace as well.

Love and Peace *does* resemble it though.

Desert Peace, hahaha, The george bush the first Rose. Imagine my surprise when
I saw this one in the jackson and p catalog before The Dust had even settled
over irag the first time. I think this was pretty much simultaneous with the
creation of World Peace but in any case you could get them as a package deal.
I don't doubt it's a pretty rose, I just can't support the Pick-A-Participle
Rocky VIII approach to hawking roses. The original Peace and Chicago Peace
demonstrate over the season every conceivable color any of the wannabe
sound-alike name ripoffs can do and neither of the *2 originals have any of the
impurity issues their half-sisters have to tell their friends about.

i.e., Peace or its true clone Chicago Peace have never been improved upon,
and all of these rose brothers should try getting another NAME!
The name Peace is taken and shouldn't be muddled or besmirched. Clones may
use the name, Hybrids may not. It is written.

Love and Peace, makes me think about cemeteries. Ain't Gonna Happen Peace.

m

On 12 May 2003 03:06:15 GMT, (lms) wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 08 May 2003 19:06:08 GMT, (Zphysics1) wrote:

I think it is Love and Peace.

/z.

It's actually Desert Peace.

That's how it was labeled and it certainly matches photos of Desert
Peace as well.

Love and Peace *does* resemble it though.

Desert Peace, hahaha, The george bush the first Rose. Imagine my surprise when
I saw this one in the jackson and p catalog before The Dust had even settled
over irag the first time. I think this was pretty much simultaneous with the
creation of World Peace but in any case you could get them as a package deal.
I don't doubt it's a pretty rose, I just can't support the Pick-A-Participle
Rocky VIII approach to hawking roses. The original Peace and Chicago Peace
demonstrate over the season every conceivable color any of the wannabe
sound-alike name ripoffs can do and neither of the *2 originals have any of the
impurity issues their half-sisters have to tell their friends about.

To be honest, I didn't know that there was any tie in with Desert
Storm. To be honest, I didn't give the name a second thought. To be
honest, I just bought the darn thing a couple of years ago when I
first started buying roses - it looked pretty. To be honest, I
couldn't bother to get half as worked about about a rose, much less
its name, than you have here.

i.e., Peace or its true clone Chicago Peace have never been improved upon,

To be honest, every Peace I've ever seen has been a boring large
somewhat floppy blossom. I would never bother with one.

I've never seen Chicago Peace, mind you...

and all of these rose brothers should try getting another NAME!
The name Peace is taken and shouldn't be muddled or besmirched. Clones may
use the name, Hybrids may not. It is written.

Who cares? Really?

Love and Peace, makes me think about cemeteries. Ain't Gonna Happen Peace.

We'll just change the name to Guy Pearce.

dave weil wrote:
On 12 May 2003 03:06:15 GMT, (lms) wrote:

....
and all of these rose brothers should try getting another NAME! The
name Peace is taken and shouldn't be muddled or besmirched. Clones
may use the name, Hybrids may not. It is written.

Who cares? Really?

Love and Peace, makes me think about cemeteries. Ain't Gonna
Happen Peace.

We'll just change the name to Guy Pearce.

Hahahaha! Priscilla Queen of the Desert Guy too, so may be that name
fits somewhere inside Mack's being upset over all the Peace names,
especially the Deser Peace name.

Pretty funny, Dave. And Mack - it is all commerce, the American Way and
all that. Not worth being upset over - especially when there is so much
else to be upset about. Think of the obstructionist Congress having
approved 124 out of the 126 judicial nominations. That is worth being
upset over, one way or the other.

--
Radika
California
USDA 9 / Sunset 15

In article ,
says...

On 12 May 2003 03:06:15 GMT, (lms) wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 08 May 2003 19:06:08 GMT, (Zphysics1) wrote:

I think it is Love and Peace.

/z.

It's actually Desert Peace.

That's how it was labeled and it certainly matches photos of Desert
Peace as well.

Love and Peace *does* resemble it though.

Desert Peace, hahaha, The george bush the first Rose. Imagine my surprise
when
I saw this one in the jackson and p catalog before The Dust had even settled
over irag the first time. I think this was pretty much simultaneous with the
creation of World Peace but in any case you could get them as a package deal.
I don't doubt it's a pretty rose, I just can't support the Pick-A-Participle
Rocky VIII approach to hawking roses. The original Peace and Chicago Peace
demonstrate over the season every conceivable color any of the wannabe
sound-alike name ripoffs can do and neither of the *2 originals have any of
the
impurity issues their half-sisters have to tell their friends about.

To be honest, I didn't know that there was any tie in with Desert
Storm. To be honest, I didn't give the name a second thought. To be
honest, I just bought the darn thing a couple of years ago when I
first started buying roses - it looked pretty. To be honest, I
couldn't bother to get half as worked about about a rose, much less
its name, than you have here.

Ford would get worked if Chevy came up with the Desert Ford, there is
little difference in the two concepts. I'm aware also that the car companies
get promiscuous with their names and I don't like that either. The irk factor
rates right up there with Isuzu Rodeo or Hyundai Santa Fe. maybe Toyota
Tacoma.


i.e., Peace or its true clone Chicago Peace have never been improved upon,

To be honest, every Peace I've ever seen has been a boring large
somewhat floppy blossom. I would never bother with one.

you've been sadly deprived, dweil:

http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Deepeac.jpg
http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Deepea99.jpg

To be honest, I'd never ask more of any rose than either. I've seen it white,
I've seen it every shade of yellow with every shade of vivid red infused.
And believe it or not--and this is an extremely rare occurrence--I've before
been fairly overpowered by just the truest rose fragrance imaginable.
It *all depends on the conditions. And of course, how happy it is. I was
truly blessed to know this rose.


I've never seen Chicago Peace, mind you...

Another happy 10 or 12 foot giant with major girth. Always vivid colors.
Peace itself can do all the colors of Chicago Peace but Chicago Peace doesn't
do solid colors, it's pretty much that simple.


and all of these rose brothers should try getting another NAME!
The name Peace is taken and shouldn't be muddled or besmirched. Clones may
use the name, Hybrids may not. It is written.

Who cares? Really?

hmmmm. it's not like I said you were growing The Charles Manson Rose even if
it is the george bush the first Rose. humans have this way of connecting
karma and applying concepts to things like roses, and while most breeders
use either their imaginative processes or names which mean something to them
personally, J$P can be counted upon to immediately seize every opportunity
and be the first in line every time to cash in on the mass 1) grief and
2)patriotism currently in swing, and if they can combine these first two with
the proven name of a known superstar, then so much the better.
Names certainly do matter though and a lot of people *do care-- like I predict
half the people out there wouldn't even consider planting Barbra Streisand.
Does that thing normally have real dark canes or is the one I just planted
on its way to checking outa here?


Love and Peace, makes me think about cemeteries. Ain't Gonna Happen Peace.

We'll just change the name to Guy Pearce.

must needs google dat, but on the surface, yeah, that's better.

it's all about roses, dweil, and how we enjoy them. for me it's a word thing,
a name thing--=- they're infinitely fascinating and parta the way I've always
got my kicks.
so bully for me, eh? hahahaha

m

On 13 May 2003 13:05:59 GMT, (lms) wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 12 May 2003 03:06:15 GMT, (lms) wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 08 May 2003 19:06:08 GMT, (Zphysics1) wrote:

I think it is Love and Peace.

/z.

It's actually Desert Peace.

That's how it was labeled and it certainly matches photos of Desert
Peace as well.

Love and Peace *does* resemble it though.

Desert Peace, hahaha, The george bush the first Rose. Imagine my surprise
when
I saw this one in the jackson and p catalog before The Dust had even settled
over irag the first time. I think this was pretty much simultaneous with the
creation of World Peace but in any case you could get them as a package deal.
I don't doubt it's a pretty rose, I just can't support the Pick-A-Participle
Rocky VIII approach to hawking roses. The original Peace and Chicago Peace
demonstrate over the season every conceivable color any of the wannabe
sound-alike name ripoffs can do and neither of the *2 originals have any of
the
impurity issues their half-sisters have to tell their friends about.

To be honest, I didn't know that there was any tie in with Desert
Storm. To be honest, I didn't give the name a second thought. To be
honest, I just bought the darn thing a couple of years ago when I
first started buying roses - it looked pretty. To be honest, I
couldn't bother to get half as worked about about a rose, much less
its name, than you have here.

Ford would get worked if Chevy came up with the Desert Ford, there is
little difference in the two concepts.

But would Ford get worked up if Ford came up with the Desert Ford?

You see, Meilland is responsible for *both* roses, if not the name.

So your analogy breaks down right there.

I'm aware also that the car companies
get promiscuous with their names and I don't like that either. The irk factor
rates right up there with Isuzu Rodeo or Hyundai Santa Fe. maybe Toyota
Tacoma.

Car names is another thing that rarely crosses my transom. I drive an
Escort ZX2. It doesn't bother me that it links me with a sexy black
purring creature that I have to pay for monthly. My Volvo is close
enough to certain anatomy to make me occasionally chuckle about it,
and of course, we know about the sage of GM's Vega, which had to be
renamed in Latin American countries since Vega literally translated
from the Spanish is "No Go".

Otherwise, I don't worry about what a Tiberon is - is it akin to a
Tarkus or something?

i.e., Peace or its true clone Chicago Peace have never been improved upon,

To be honest, every Peace I've ever seen has been a boring large
somewhat floppy blossom. I would never bother with one.

you've been sadly deprived, dweil:

http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Deepeac.jpg

"The URL you typed does not exist. Please check that you typed your
URL correctly".

http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Deepea99.jpg

That looks OK. Not bad for a rose at its peak. However, it doesn't do
very much for me - sorry. I hope you don't mind that my tastes are a
little different than yours.

I *did* see a Chicago Peace yesterday at WalMart yesterday and it was
OK as well. Just OK. Whenever I see Peace at a show, it's about the
largest bloom there. It's also quite a bit paler by that point. I
could almost tolerate the one that you show.

To be honest, I'd never ask more of any rose than either. I've seen it white,
I've seen it every shade of yellow with every shade of vivid red infused.
And believe it or not--and this is an extremely rare occurrence--I've before
been fairly overpowered by just the truest rose fragrance imaginable.
It *all depends on the conditions. And of course, how happy it is. I was
truly blessed to know this rose.

That's fine. You won't find me saying that you're deprived for not
liking Desert Peace or it's ilk. BTW, that particular bloom had a
really nice fragrance as well. And it ended up doing the Peace thing
and getting huge and growing wings as well. Here it is right before I
took the bloom:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...esertPeace.jpg

You might want to rename it Vomitorium...

I've never seen Chicago Peace, mind you...

Another happy 10 or 12 foot giant with major girth. Always vivid colors.
Peace itself can do all the colors of Chicago Peace but Chicago Peace doesn't
do solid colors, it's pretty much that simple.

For me, 10 and 12 foot hybrid teas are *not* my cup of tea. I have a
Papa Meilland that's too tall for me and it's only 7 feet tall. You
see, I get deprived by having the blooms too high to be viewed
properly.

Now a 10 - 12 foot climber - that's a different story. Or a 10 -12
foot hedge - no problems there.

You obviously subscribe to the "bigger is better" philospohy. That's
cool. shrug

You should get Touch of Class if you don't have one already. Huge
colorful blooms and a big framework. Mine's about 9 1/2 feet tall.
It's also not my favorite by any stretch of the imagination but you
might like it. 6 1/2 inch salmonesque blooms. Hardly any scent though.

and all of these rose brothers should try getting another NAME!
The name Peace is taken and shouldn't be muddled or besmirched. Clones may
use the name, Hybrids may not. It is written.

Who cares? Really?

hmmmm. it's not like I said you were growing The Charles Manson Rose even if
it is the george bush the first Rose. humans have this way of connecting
karma and applying concepts to things like roses, and while most breeders
use either their imaginative processes or names which mean something to them
personally, J$P can be counted upon to immediately seize every opportunity
and be the first in line every time to cash in on the mass 1) grief and
2)patriotism currently in swing, and if they can combine these first two with
the proven name of a known superstar, then so much the better.

Apparently Meilland didn't care one way or the other.

Names certainly do matter though and a lot of people *do care-- like I predict
half the people out there wouldn't even consider planting Barbra Streisand.

How many people do you think connect the name of Desert peace with the
war over a decade ago? I know *I* certainly didn't. Maybe there are a
few people like you who were bothered about it at the time. I daresay
though that you are probably in the minority. BTW, I suggest that
Meilland change their name to Freedom.

Now that I know, do I really care? Not really. It might bother me if
the rose was named Charred Iraqi Track Commander though.

Does that thing normally have real dark canes or is the one I just planted
on its way to checking outa here?


Love and Peace, makes me think about cemeteries. Ain't Gonna Happen Peace.

We'll just change the name to Guy Pearce.

must needs google dat, but on the surface, yeah, that's better.

Think LA Confidential for one. Aussie actor who sometimes plays tough
guy film noir 'mericans. Women swoon.

it's all about roses, dweil, and how we enjoy them. for me it's a word thing,
a name thing--=- they're infinitely fascinating and parta the way I've always
got my kicks.
so bully for me, eh? hahahaha

Quite right. Bully for you.

For me, the name is almost superfluous, although I understand that it
has some sort of connotation. Most of the names don't mean much to me.
I've have no idea what kind of person Cecile Brunner was and I have no
idea how Belami relates to a tightly spiraled pink rose with a
fabulously refereshing fragrance.

And if Touch of Class is what class is all about, then I'll have to
start demanding that my women wear the gaudiest makeup possible and
always make sure that they are at least 42dd and that part of their
bra *always* shows.

dave weil wrote:

and of course, we know about the sage of GM's Vega, which had to be
renamed in Latin American countries since Vega literally translated
from the Spanish is "No Go".

That was the Nova, not the Vega (but the point is still valid).

--
Henry

On Tue, 13 May 2003 12:02:17 -0400, Henry
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

and of course, we know about the sage of GM's Vega, which had to be
renamed in Latin American countries since Vega literally translated
from the Spanish is "No Go".

That was the Nova, not the Vega (but the point is still valid).

Absoultely correct. Wrong 4 letter name...

Doh!

"Henry" wrote in message
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dave weil wrote:

and of course, we know about the sage of GM's Vega, which had to be
renamed in Latin American countries since Vega literally translated
from the Spanish is "No Go".

That was the Nova, not the Vega (but the point is still valid).

"Nova" is what the cheap gas in Mexico is called. Which is equally funny,
cuz (as you mentioned) it means "doesn't go".

JimS.
Seattle

In article ,
says...

On 13 May 2003 13:05:59 GMT, (lms) wrote:


Ford would get worked if Chevy came up with the Desert Ford, there is
little difference in the two concepts.

But would Ford get worked up if Ford came up with the Desert Ford?

ok. bad example. anyone who could call a Fairmont a Thunderbird...
they have no shame.
The timing of that rose just irked me, that's all. There was no desert peace.
One of my first roses was actually a ripoff of the name Peace, Pink Peace.
It's only half Peace, and is actually such a fab rose I can't even begin to
tell you. Hugely fragrant, big, very shapely. I planted my third one three
years ago, it's finally coming around to like the first one. The second one
has a punishing exposed location, it gets all the wind that's fit to blow, cold
and hot, so it's never had the best chance to measure up. Doesn't have 'give
up' in its vocab though. I've been contemplating moving the first one but
anything that's still doing reasonably well after 15 years despite major
encroachment I hesitate to mess with. I killed Elina last year moving it
and I'm still kicking myself itb. But still I don't much wait, I just go for
it.


You see, Meilland is responsible for *both* roses, if not the name.

Ever since the old man died that place has gone downhill--took over by his
beautiful wife who hired others to do the job. A similar thing could happen
to a famous mini place if they're not careful.



So your analogy breaks down right there.

my analogy may suck but that rose is still left with its dethpicable george
bush connection. they lie. If this rose had some real and believable
connection to the desert, where it's peaceful, maybe that would be different.
But it doesn't. They don't care about me. hahahaha
I wouldn't buy this rose unless it had a killer bloom on it, that's what it
would take.




I'm aware also that the car companies
get promiscuous with their names and I don't like that either. The irk
factor
rates right up there with Isuzu Rodeo or Hyundai Santa Fe. maybe Toyota
Tacoma.

Car names is another thing that rarely crosses my transom. I drive an
Escort ZX2. It doesn't bother me that it links me with a sexy black
purring creature that I have to pay for monthly. My Volvo is close
enough to certain anatomy to make me occasionally chuckle about it,

so does my friend, he says it outloud sometimes. He rear-ended somebody
on I-25 once with it.
Nobody parks their car in the right lane, no?



and of course, we know about the sage of GM's Vega, which had to be
renamed in Latin American countries since Vega literally translated
from the Spanish is "No Go".

Otherwise, I don't worry about what a Tiberon is - is it akin to a
Tarkus or something?

i.e., Peace or its true clone Chicago Peace have never been improved upon,

To be honest, every Peace I've ever seen has been a boring large
somewhat floppy blossom. I would never bother with one.

you've been sadly deprived, dweil:

http://www.badurl

sorry Dave, I had to deprive you for just a moment longer. heheh



"The URL you typed does not exist. Please check that you typed your
URL correctly".

and it's a drag, this is the one I wanted you to see.
http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Deeppeac.jpg

I once had a crotchety old fart who'd seen as many roses as anyone on the
planet express hearty skepticism at this pic. That it was Peace. But I
swear on a stack it came from the same bush.


http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Deepea99.jpg

That looks OK. Not bad for a rose at its peak. However, it doesn't do
very much for me - sorry. I hope you don't mind that my tastes are a
little different than yours.

I *did* see a Chicago Peace yesterday at WalMart yesterday and it was
OK as well. Just OK. Whenever I see Peace at a show, it's about the
largest bloom there. It's also quite a bit paler by that point. I
could almost tolerate the one that you show.

This rose never really did the thriller thing til it got some size,
got well established. Then it would just pop these huge things, huge
perfect hybrid tea blooms, did that for years. Then we enclosed the
front patio/porch, and growing as a threesome with Mr. Lincoln and a white
lilac, which is huge, it only had one place to go. And I took it away, had to.
Other than the three thousand bucks that rose was the price I paid. It can
still escape, the other day I looked down and saw this huge new basal.
There's still a lot of stored energy in those roots. Don't really know what to
do about it.


To be honest, I'd never ask more of any rose than either. I've seen it
white,
I've seen it every shade of yellow with every shade of vivid red infused.
And believe it or not--and this is an extremely rare occurrence--I've before
been fairly overpowered by just the truest rose fragrance imaginable.
It *all depends on the conditions. And of course, how happy it is. I was
truly blessed to know this rose.

That's fine. You won't find me saying that you're deprived for not
liking Desert Peace or it's ilk. BTW, that particular bloom had a
really nice fragrance as well. And it ended up doing the Peace thing
and getting huge and growing wings as well. Here it is right before I
took the bloom:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...esertPeace.jpg

You might want to rename it Vomitorium...

nice colors, vivid. kinda like Harry.


I've never seen Chicago Peace, mind you...

Another happy 10 or 12 foot giant with major girth. Always vivid colors.
Peace itself can do all the colors of Chicago Peace but Chicago Peace doesn't
do solid colors, it's pretty much that simple.

For me, 10 and 12 foot hybrid teas are *not* my cup of tea. I have a
Papa Meilland that's too tall for me and it's only 7 feet tall. You
see, I get deprived by having the blooms too high to be viewed
properly.

'properly', that's a good word. I subscribe to the philosophy that the rose
knows what that is. I'm a firm believer in letting roses be all they can
be--most of them will stop growing up once they reach their height


Now a 10 - 12 foot climber - that's a different story. Or a 10 -12
foot hedge - no problems there.

You obviously subscribe to the "bigger is better" philospohy. That's
cool. shrug

no I don't think bigger is better--out of maybe 250 roses currently living
their lives out here, a great many are smaller units, know nothing about
sky city. I don't hold it against them, admire them just the same. I just
don't think, for instance, that people should plant Queen Elizabeth unless
they want a 17 foot rose. And like that.


You should get Touch of Class if you don't have one already. Huge
colorful blooms and a big framework. Mine's about 9 1/2 feet tall.
It's also not my favorite by any stretch of the imagination but you
might like it. 6 1/2 inch salmonesque blooms. Hardly any scent though.

another 'one of my firsts', similar height, still doing its thing and I
agree. One that complements this one well is Sheer Elegance, will do the
same thing for you. Not as big a bush, pretty hardy.



For me, the name is almost superfluous, although I understand that it
has some sort of connotation. Most of the names don't mean much to me.
I've have no idea what kind of person Cecile Brunner was and I have no
idea how Belami relates to a tightly spiraled pink rose with a
fabulously refereshing fragrance.

this is all true. what I don't know won't keep me from buying a rose though.
I guess it's just as well. I probably have roses named after some real
loosers. or whatever.


And if Touch of Class is what class is all about, then I'll have to
start demanding that my women wear the gaudiest makeup possible and
always make sure that they are at least 42dd and that part of their
bra *always* shows.

heh

m