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"Geoff Kegerreis" wrote in message ...
Yep, Joe.
The politics and psychology these numbnuts use is amazing. The amount of time they waste continues to
contribute to a decline of our capitilistic society.
The idiots who run the forestry world would have us believe that they are the good, red blooded, conservative Americans, in tune with American history and values, good businessmen who understand the value of the dollar and good investments- so they pulverize the forests and pretend doing so is intelligent.
Really good forestry is GREAT capitalism. Leaving the best trees (here in the very mixed species east) to grow to full economic maturity is almost unheard of and unseen- because it's so rare. Cutting premium black cherry, red oak, hard maple when they are only 16-17" DBH is NOT good capitalism since those trees are earning a very high rate of return- far higher than you can now get in typical "safe" investments like your local bank and municipal bonds. As Karl Davies has pointed out, loggers and mill foresters and corrupt consultants often lie to forest owners that their trees are not growing so most should be cut- "we'll just cut all the big trees- those over 12 in. DBH and leave the little ones to grow into big ones". The slightly more intelligent ones wil core a tree, then look in the idiot SAF table showing relationships between rings-per-inch and rate of growth- which table only indicates rate of growth of diameter. Karl has shown that we also must look at height growth and growth of the tree into better grades, along with the general rate of inflation inherent in the wood industry (above and beyond the nation's general inflation rate)- all of which must be added to what is in that idiot SAF table. The wood industry criminal could "prove" by that table that trees are only growing 3-5% but which may actually be growing 2-4 times as fast- in terms of rate of return on existing value. The SAF doesn't clarify this, our idiot forestry academics don't clarify this, the burreacracies don't clarify this, the SAF doesn't clarify this- all either too stupid or too lazy or too sold-out to clarify this basic means by which the industry rips off NIPF forest owners.
That is, great forestry is GREAT CAPITALISM- not some kind of "sissy, left-wing, tree hugging socialism". And, because great forestry will grow bigger trees, with more diverse species- it's also great ecology, better aesthetics, better recreation, better wildlife. This corruption of forestry in our "leading circles" is also a corruption of the meaning of capitalism and an insult to American history.
At one foresters meeting here in Mass., the head of the largest consulting firm in the state, after hearing some of us rant against high grading, said- "it's better for forest owners to remove their investment in trees and put it in the stock market". This was a few years ago before the market went bust. Anyone listening to that clown took a bath- anyone leaving their premium trees to grow some more is now earning a fantastic rate of return- which can only get better as we lose more forest and as the population continues to grow rapidly- thanks to the clowns who have let American be overun by immigrants, all in order to get cheap labor- after all, the rich need servants.
Well, nigga I guess we best be gettin' back to woahk so
weez can make shore the mastes can waste some mo time makin' dem stories up!
**** em...
:-) Later,
Geoff
Joe Zorzin wrote:
POSTED IN alt.forestry
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It's too bad that the battle always ends up sounding like "the forest rapers
vs. the forest protectors"- all because so many in the forestry/logging
world really are forest rapers.
What the enviros should be fighting for, in addition to locking up much old
growth and protecting other land which has special values- is much better
quality forestry.
That is- there are not 2 choices- there are 3 choices- land rapers,
protection (locking up) and GREAT forestry. Great forestry is great ecology
and good for recreation, aesthetics, economics and scientific value of
forests.
Unfortunately, I'd suggest, that 99% of all logging in North America has
been either mindless clearcutting or even more mindless high grading- and
it's all called FORESTRY- but it ain't forestry. The forestry establishment
are criminals in my opinion- they will surely burn in hell! G
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Joe Zorzin
"Aozotorp" wrote in message
...
Building companies KB Home and Hayward Lumber, as well as office supply
chain Staples Inc. -- all major consumers of wood products -- have lined
up
with environmental groups trying to protect Alaska forests. The three
companies have sent letters to the U.S. Forest Service opposing a proposal
that
would exempt Alaska's Tongass and Chugach national forests from a
nationwide
prohibition against road building in national forests. Environmental
groups have targeted a number of companies that are major consumers or
wood
products as pressure points as they campaign for stronger forest
protections.
(08/26/03) Anchorage Daily News
http://www.adn.com/business/story/37...-3795179c.html
|| INFORAIN MAP: Timber Sales in Roadless Areas of the Tongass National
Forest
http://www.inforain.org/archive/tong...mber_sales.htm