Joe, I think you hit the nail on the head there but I do see one problem
with
your statement. The remark about clowns letting all of these immigrants in
is
very mistaken because unless you are a Native American whose land was raped
and taken from him, then you are among the immigrants also, as am I an
immigrant. So before you start blaming the influx of immigrants, which
include you and I, the real problem here is the overpopulation caused by
couples having too many children and immigrants coming to this country for a
better life.




===== Original Message From "Joe Zorzin" xxxx@zzzz =====
POSTED IN alt.forestry

"Geoff Kegerreis" wrote in message
...
Yep, Joe.

The politics and psychology these numbnuts use is amazing. The amount of
time they waste continues to
contribute to a decline of our capitilistic society.

The idiots who run the forestry world would have us believe that they are the
good, red blooded, conservative Americans, in tune with American history and
values, good businessmen who understand the value of the dollar and good
investments- so they pulverize the forests and pretend doing so is
intelligent.

Really good forestry is GREAT capitalism. Leaving the best trees (here in the
very mixed species east) to grow to full economic maturity is almost unheard
of and unseen- because it's so rare. Cutting premium black cherry, red oak,
hard maple when they are only 16-17" DBH is NOT good capitalism since those
trees are earning a very high rate of return- far higher than you can now
get
in typical "safe" investments like your local bank and municipal bonds. As
Karl Davies has pointed out, loggers and mill foresters and corrupt
consultants often lie to forest owners that their trees are not growing so
most should be cut- "we'll just cut all the big trees- those over 12 in. DBH
and leave the little ones to grow into big ones". The slightly more
intelligent ones wil core a tree, then look in the idiot SAF table showing
relationships between rings-per-inch and rate of growth- which table only
indicates rate of growth of diameter. Karl has shown that we also must look
at
height growth and growth of the tree into better grades, along with the
general rate of inflation inherent in the wood industry (above and beyond
the
nation's general inflation rate)- all of which must be added to what is in
that idiot SAF table. The wood industry criminal could "prove" by that table
that trees are only growing 3-5% but which may actually be growing 2-4 times
as fast- in terms of rate of return on existing value. The SAF doesn't
clarify
this, our idiot forestry academics don't clarify this, the burreacracies
don't
clarify this, the SAF doesn't clarify this- all either too stupid or too
lazy
or too sold-out to clarify this basic means by which the industry rips off
NIPF forest owners.

That is, great forestry is GREAT CAPITALISM- not some kind of "sissy,
left-wing, tree hugging socialism". And, because great forestry will grow
bigger trees, with more diverse species- it's also great ecology, better
aesthetics, better recreation, better wildlife. This corruption of forestry
in
our "leading circles" is also a corruption of the meaning of capitalism and
an
insult to American history.

At one foresters meeting here in Mass., the head of the largest consulting
firm in the state, after hearing some of us rant against high grading, said-
"it's better for forest owners to remove their investment in trees and put
it
in the stock market". This was a few years ago before the market went bust.
Anyone listening to that clown took a bath- anyone leaving their premium
trees
to grow some more is now earning a fantastic rate of return- which can only
get better as we lose more forest and as the population continues to grow
rapidly- thanks to the clowns who have let American be overun by immigrants,
all in order to get cheap labor- after all, the rich need servants.


Well, nigga I guess we best be gettin' back to woahk so
weez can make shore the mastes can waste some mo time makin' dem stories
up!

**** em...

:-) Later,
Geoff

Joe Zorzin wrote:

POSTED IN alt.forestry
****************************
It's too bad that the battle always ends up sounding like "the forest rapers
vs. the forest protectors"- all because so many in the forestry/logging
world really are forest rapers.

What the enviros should be fighting for, in addition to locking up much old
growth and protecting other land which has special values- is much better
quality forestry.

That is- there are not 2 choices- there are 3 choices- land rapers,
protection (locking up) and GREAT forestry. Great forestry is great ecology
and good for recreation, aesthetics, economics and scientific value of
forests.

Unfortunately, I'd suggest, that 99% of all logging in North America has
been either mindless clearcutting or even more mindless high grading- and
it's all called FORESTRY- but it ain't forestry. The forestry establishment
are criminals in my opinion- they will surely burn in hell! G
--
Joe Zorzin


"Aozotorp" wrote in message
...

Building companies KB Home and Hayward Lumber, as well as office supply
chain Staples Inc. -- all major consumers of wood products -- have lined

up

with environmental groups trying to protect Alaska forests. The three
companies have sent letters to the U.S. Forest Service opposing a proposal

that

would exempt Alaska's Tongass and Chugach national forests from a

nationwide

prohibition against road building in national forests. Environmental
groups have targeted a number of companies that are major consumers or

wood

products as pressure points as they campaign for stronger forest

protections.

(08/26/03) Anchorage Daily News
http://www.adn.com/business/story/37...-3795179c.html
|| INFORAIN MAP: Timber Sales in Roadless Areas of the Tongass National
Forest
http://www.inforain.org/archive/tong...mber_sales.htm