"mike hagen" wrote in message
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John Wernet wrote:

Joe, I think you hit the nail on the head there but I do see one problem
with
your statement. The remark about clowns letting all of these immigrants
in
is
very mistaken because unless you are a Native American whose land was
raped
and taken from him, then you are among the immigrants also, as am I an
immigrant. So before you start blaming the influx of immigrants, which
include you and I, the real problem here is the overpopulation caused by
couples having too many children and immigrants coming to this country
for a
better life.


I have a modest proposal...

Short of that, Joe's statement is right on. Just looking at this end of
the continent, west coast immigration has ALWAYS been set up for the
benefit of industry (ag and garments especially). That includes a steady
supply of illegals.

Anyone who looks into the floral brush industry, or precommercial
thinning and tree planting realizes that these would come to a sudden
halt if not for fresh immigrants and illegals.


Too bad that the powers that be consider such work only worthy of fresh
slaves, rather than forestry professionals. At least here in the east, with
our multi species all aged forests, doing precommercial thinning calls for a
lot of talent. I love doing the work- we used to get "costs shares" and I'd
do the work for a lot less than I'm worth- not any more! Of course the local
forestry burros and academics keep getting raises- but no money for forestry
improvement work.


The ones without green
cards run the risk of being turned out at any time, likely without their
last paycheck, but they're right back again.

I know several self employed friends who happen to be legal immigrants;
one's a PhD, one's a pre-school teacher, anothers in real estate and
one's a landscaper. Nothing wrong with legal immigration if there's
really a job for them.

I once thought of moving to New Zealand. I found out that NZ only allows in
people that the country really needs. They do have a good forestry world, so
I probably could have gone if I had decided to.


It's different when, say, a very large timber
company prices PCT contracts so low that only recent immigrant and
illegal crews can ever win a bid.

All part of the new "two- tiered economy"- both industry and government love
to outsource work they can't export to slave nations- to save money in order
to pay more to those who survive the cuts. This is a disgrace- it's
UnAmerican- the public shouldn't tolerate it- but hey, the American
proletariat voted for the Republican scumballs- millions of auto and steel
workers voted for Reagan- after he got in, many lost their jobs- they never
learn- all the Republicans have to do is say that they're against gun
control and pro family values, and the country and its wealth is theirs.




Joe, ever read up on ecological economics? You're already sound like a
convert. There are some intriguing theories about pricing reproductive
rights as a way of self limiting population. Some could say we're doing
that already, pushing average home prices over 200K!