Thank you all again for the most interesting and thought-provoking
replies.

Our weather in Cape Town is California type (Mediterranean, winter
rainfall) with strong winds in our coastal area.

Shiva,I was most interested to hear that you are in Raleigh ,having
spent much time in your beautiful and friendly Carolina whilst working
for the International division of Burlington Industries.
I worked mostly out of Greensboro but travelled extensively to the
various Hosiery Mills around the South.
Many,many wonderful memories of a really wonderful Country,Company and
Southern hospitality !!!!!! " Yall "

I will try to get some Photographs of our Roses and send them to you.
Thank you for the helpmefind.com address--I will certainly have a look
at it.

The Pretoria Rose that we have is freely available at any of our
nurseries and is Dark Red no Orange.

Maureen uses the petals of Pretoria and Papa Meilland in a pot-pourri
on the dining room table as the scents are really great.

Once again thank all------you seem a really nice group of people !!!

Richard



Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:02:36 -0500 (EST), "Shiva"
wrote:

Richard Oliver wrote:

Thank you so much for your so interesting reply.

You're welcome, I'm so pleased to hear from someone from
so far away! I am in Raleigh, North Carolina.


I would say that the heredity reason is probably the
one as only one plant (Pretoria)has the problem.

I had a look at this one at the helmefind.com site. There
are three entries with this word in it, and no known
suppliers. Is your Pretoria the orange/red one released
in 1953? And do you have a photo? There is no photo at that
site and I bet they would love to have one. Also, where did
you get your Pretoria? Perhaps you might suggest a supplier
to the helpmefind people?


We live in a suburb of Cape Town South Africa and have a dozen
roses which we just love and usually pick several vases full every day.

Aha! Another vase person! I love to have fresh roses in the house.
Garden
roses, not florist, because I like scent!


Because of the size of our garden we have several of our roses in tubs.
This year they have not done as well and as most of them have been in
(large) tubs for about ten years we decided to repot and renew a few of
them.

Lots of hard work, and thorny, too. I'm glad you said "we," because
I have learned that it is nearly impossible to repot a matureish rose
alone.

Most of our plants are hybrid teas----
Brides Dream-----Ester Geldenhys-----Cora Marie----Caroline de Monaco
Papa Meilland---Pretoria---Summer Lady---Andrea Stelzer--and of course
Peace.
We also have a climber and two multiflora---
Johannesberg Garden Club and Mr Duncan

Your garden sounds lovely to me. You have some I have never seen, I
will go to helpmefind.com and look them up.I really like hybrid teas for
cutting, (i.e. the BLOOMS!) though I am not fond about how most
look in the garden. I've been shifting the hts to the back and putting
more
floribundas and shrub roses in the front.

I would like to try Papa Meiland.

I am curious, can you tell us how your climate is?

Thank you again for your kind assistance,Richard and Maureen Oliver

I really hope we hear more from you. I do not recall having
anyone post from South Africa in the last few years! You make
a very nice addition to the group.