On 27 Jan 2004 17:32:50 -0800, wrote:

On the other hand a fairly exposed north west exposure
might provide enough light. It up to you to judge. Roses in low light
conditions grow much slower and are more disease prone.

I know, but we have trees are on the south east. The only shade the
roses would have in the location I have in mind would be from the
house during the morning. Afternoon is full sun. Would be a harsh
transition in temperature and light during that time of day. They
would also be exposed to prevailing winds year round, hot and cold.

Still, this isn't optimum. Your rose won't flourish, although it
should do pretty well. Most roses really need the 6 or 8 hours of
strong sunlight and do better if it's 8 hours+. 6 hours is just barely
enough, and you really shouldn't reasonably count the sun after about
5 in the summer (IMHO).

I planted Sombreuil on a due east side of my house (no shade). It gets
sun from sunrise until about 1 pm when the house shades it. This is
really only about 5 hours of strong sun (from about 8 until 1). It's
done "OK" but it hasn't really flourished (and Sombreuil is a pretty
quick grower).

I'm not trying to discourage you and if you want a *really* quick
cover that might not mind a some morning shade, I'd recommend Cecile
Brunner (Cl). It's a polyantha with very small white blooms. There is
some controversy regarding a couple of different plants named CD (Cl)
in regards to the reblooming. There is one plant that only blooms once
but mine stays in almost constant bloom during the entire blooming
season, with only the occasional rest. I got mine from Antique Rose
Emporium in Texas. Most climbers need at least three years to *really*
start getting extensive, but this plant exploded for me the third year
(second year wasn't bad either). Here's a picture of a full blown one
growing up a wall:

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/climbers/cecile.html

PS, I wouldn't assume that the plant pictured is only 3 years old. I
think that Paul unintentionally gives that idea with his text
(although maybe he *was* saying that it's 3 years old - I just know
that *mine* isn't that extensive quite yet).

Here are some pic of mine growing up a dead sugar maple in full sun in
its third season (Nashville Zone 6b). The first is March 31st of this
year (third season):

http://www.pbase.com/image/25547956

This is August 11th of the same year:

http://www.pbase.com/image/25548010

The "canopy" on April 30th

http://www.pbase.com/image/25547372

The "canopy" on May 6th:

http://www.pbase.com/image/25548102

Panicles growing from the base on June 8th:

http://www.pbase.com/image/25547303

And this is what it looked like a couple of months after planting, way
back when:

http://www.pbase.com/image/25548741

As a size reference, the v notch on the tree is about 5 feet off the
ground.

Hope this helps...