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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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So he did in fact say that QUOTE "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a
total different issue to "Gardening" UNQUOTE.

Yes but it WASN'T the FULL QUOTE, which affected its meaning.

It's my post which you accuse of misquoting, Anthony. If you read it
again, you'll see that I quoted Gary's point in full in my previous
paragraph. So it's clear there was no intention to conceal its context
or alter intended meaning.

Again, Quote to me where in the charter of urg. it specifies the discussion
of allotments.
If it not specified it is strictly speaking OFF topic. **

**That is untrue, the urg charter says the opposite. Here it is;

charter of uk.rec.gardening.

To discuss gardening issues relevant to the UK.
//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
These will include flowers, shrubs, trees, fruit & vegetables,
lawns,houseplants, beneficial insects & animals, soils, composting,
design, location, situation, seasons/times, hard structures
(paths,greenhouses, cloches, rockeries), ponds, tools & materials, weeds
and pests & diseases.
** This is not meant to be an exhaustive list.
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

In the absence of more appropriate, geographically specific newsgroups,
discussion of gardening in Eire, the Channel Islands
and the Isle of Man will also be welcome. Because there are climatic,
legal, cultural and other differences, discussion of
gardening in other parts of the world is OFF TOPIC (there are other
regional gardening newsgroups, and the global
rec.gardens, one of which may be more appropriate). Please note that
this exclusion relates to subject matter, not people, and
posters from around the globe will be welcome to participate in or
initiate discussion of UK-relevant topics.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Specifically, please remember that there is no direct correlation
between US climate zones and the climate of the UK.

(end quote of urg
charter).......................................... ........................

Time and again, urg posters have repeated that all the topics which
Gary wishes to discuss in a separate group, are on topic on urg and have
long been discussed; including allotment availability, rules,
management, prices, open days etc.(Just as we discuss public gardens,
botanical gardens, their management, prices, open days, meetings,
etc..they are all relevant to UK gardening.

(Franz said)
Please look at the list of current threads.

What? Just started one have you?

Not the ones I saw. Allotment posts occur frequently on urg, it's
nothing unusual.

But I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to oppose just
because the proposer hasn't posted enough to urg in the past, or has
chosen to
remain on the sidelines.

Look up the requirements for the formation of a new group within the
Big 8 hierarchy on usenet. A new-group proposal is supposed to fill an
empty niche, to provide a discussion opportunity that isn't available
elsewhere. Urg is an active rec.group where discussion of allotments is
on topic, frequent,welcomed, and has covered all the issues Gary claims
to need a new group for.So the fact that what Gary proposes has been
long-established within the same usenet hierarchy, and he doesn't make
use of it, is a relevant issue to informed voters.

I suspect that his earlier claim to be an urg lurker was as inaccurate
as his "summary of the RFD discussion" in the CFV, his claim that the
new group will benefit urg, and your claim about this group's charter.

If Gary's proposal doesn't meet the required standard to form a group
within the Big 8 hierarchies, he could always go downmarket and start an
alt.group about allotments. Oops, I'm forgetting..he already thought of
that, and got blown out of the water then too, for equally good reasons.

Google/groups search facility is such a mixed blessing, isn't it? :-)

Janet