"Bill Oliver" wrote in message
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In article dppEc.1397$XM6.1165@attbi_s53, John Watson
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"Bill Oliver" wrote in message
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In article Dh4Ec.195489$Ly.75907@attbi_s01, John Watson
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Oh, I see, the bible only means what it says when probably interperted
by
a
Christian! Yeah right!


If the best you can do is deny that a parable is a parable in order
to promote your bigotry, I suggest you take your irrational hatred
elsewhere.

Yeah right! It has been noted that you deleted all of the bible quotes
that
you couldn't explain away as "parables".


The bottom line is that your lead example is false. Once you admit
that, I will be happy to move on to the next. The net habit of
throwing out a shotgun list of non-apropos tidbits, pretending
that they all apply to your point, and then jumping from one to
one in order to avoid dealing with your falsehoods is both classic
and easily dealt with. So, rather than jumping around, let's
deal with them one by one.

The first quote is a parable; Jesus did not give the command you
pretend. Once you admit this first falsehood of yours, we can
easily move on to the next.

My falsehood? It's a biblical quote that I have no interest in altering,
editing or lying about.

It's in the bible (God's reveled word) which seems to mean something
different to each Protestant Christian cult depending on their agenda.

If we can keep this discussion civil we won't bore the readers to death.

A parable is just a story used to illustrate a lesson. It conveys its
meaning by using a comparison analogy. Jesus used a parable to order his
minions to murder the Jews. The results have been horrible, bloodthirsty,
beyond the wildest imagination.

In the image of the parable Jesus told in Luke 19:11-27 (see below), he was
the nobleman who became king. Jesus directed this parable toward the Jewish
people who made up his audience (verses 1-9). These enemy-citizens
represented the Jews who reject Jesus as king. In verse 14 they were called
citizens, but by verse 27, through their rebellious refusal to accept the
nobleman's (Jesus’) kingship, they are now considered enemies. Therefore,
Jesus (the king in the parable) renders a judgment on the unfaithful and
disobedient. Just as Matthew’s Jesus declared, "He who is not with me is
against me . . ." (Matthew 12:30), Luke’s Jesus orders his followers to
murder those who reject his rule?and do it in front of him!

" But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them,
bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27)

Thus Christianity was molded with these words of Jesus for many generations
thereafter. How could Christians ignore Jesus’ call to action when the
Jewish people steadfastly rejected the dead man-god? Christians saw this
parable as a direct call from the lips of Jesus himself, to render a final
judgment on those who dared to reject Jesus?the bloody slaughter of those
who refused to carry the cross.

I have no hatred, just don't want people like you preaching a bunch of
nonsense to the uninformed.

Thomas Jefferson and I happen to agree on religious beliefs.


And to the sexual exploiation of slaves, no doubt.

Slaves? No, I don't own any but the bible doesn't condemn slavery, in fact
it encourges it.


Col 3;
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the
Lord.
19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
20 Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing
unto the Lord.
21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.
22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not
with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;
23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the
inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done:
and there is no respect of persons.

A slave must completely obey and fear his master, even if his master is
cruel and unjust

“Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good
and gentle, but also to the froward" (1 Peter 2:18). "Servants, be obedient
to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and
trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ" (Ephesians 6:5).

Whereas the men in any community invaded must be killed, the women and
children are to be taken as slaves

“And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou
shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women,
and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even the
spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of
thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee” (Deuteronomy
20:13-14).

The Age of Reason

I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this
life.

I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties
consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our
fellow-creatures happy.

But, lest it should be supposed that I believe in many other things in
addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things
I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman
church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant
church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish,
appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave
mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

Thomas Paine (1794)

John