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Bush and his religion?
"Bill Oliver" wrote in message
... In article dppEc.1397$XM6.1165@attbi_s53, John Watson wrote: "Bill Oliver" wrote in message ... In article Dh4Ec.195489$Ly.75907@attbi_s01, John Watson wrote: Oh, I see, the bible only means what it says when probably interperted by a Christian! Yeah right! If the best you can do is deny that a parable is a parable in order to promote your bigotry, I suggest you take your irrational hatred elsewhere. Yeah right! It has been noted that you deleted all of the bible quotes that you couldn't explain away as "parables". The bottom line is that your lead example is false. Once you admit that, I will be happy to move on to the next. The net habit of throwing out a shotgun list of non-apropos tidbits, pretending that they all apply to your point, and then jumping from one to one in order to avoid dealing with your falsehoods is both classic and easily dealt with. So, rather than jumping around, let's deal with them one by one. The first quote is a parable; Jesus did not give the command you pretend. Once you admit this first falsehood of yours, we can easily move on to the next. My falsehood? It's a biblical quote that I have no interest in altering, editing or lying about. It's in the bible (God's reveled word) which seems to mean something different to each Protestant Christian cult depending on their agenda. If we can keep this discussion civil we won't bore the readers to death. A parable is just a story used to illustrate a lesson. It conveys its meaning by using a comparison analogy. Jesus used a parable to order his minions to murder the Jews. The results have been horrible, bloodthirsty, beyond the wildest imagination. In the image of the parable Jesus told in Luke 19:11-27 (see below), he was the nobleman who became king. Jesus directed this parable toward the Jewish people who made up his audience (verses 1-9). These enemy-citizens represented the Jews who reject Jesus as king. In verse 14 they were called citizens, but by verse 27, through their rebellious refusal to accept the nobleman's (Jesus’) kingship, they are now considered enemies. Therefore, Jesus (the king in the parable) renders a judgment on the unfaithful and disobedient. Just as Matthew’s Jesus declared, "He who is not with me is against me . . ." (Matthew 12:30), Luke’s Jesus orders his followers to murder those who reject his rule?and do it in front of him! " But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27) Thus Christianity was molded with these words of Jesus for many generations thereafter. How could Christians ignore Jesus’ call to action when the Jewish people steadfastly rejected the dead man-god? Christians saw this parable as a direct call from the lips of Jesus himself, to render a final judgment on those who dared to reject Jesus?the bloody slaughter of those who refused to carry the cross. I have no hatred, just don't want people like you preaching a bunch of nonsense to the uninformed. Thomas Jefferson and I happen to agree on religious beliefs. And to the sexual exploiation of slaves, no doubt. Slaves? No, I don't own any but the bible doesn't condemn slavery, in fact it encourges it. Col 3; 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. 18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. 19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. 20 Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. 22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God; 23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; 24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. 25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons. A slave must completely obey and fear his master, even if his master is cruel and unjust “Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward" (1 Peter 2:18). "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ" (Ephesians 6:5). Whereas the men in any community invaded must be killed, the women and children are to be taken as slaves “And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee” (Deuteronomy 20:13-14). The Age of Reason I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life. I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy. But, lest it should be supposed that I believe in many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them. I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. Thomas Paine (1794) John |
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